"That amount is only a weeks worth of coffee..."

And for those of us that cut coffee out of their budget months ago? I get what you were trying to say "it's only $30! certainly you can scrounge up $30" but the reality is that some people just can't (especially in this economy... I'm at the age where families are growing and pretty much everyone I know has cut way back. I'm not sure if it's the sticker shock of kids or the economy in general.).

As much as I enjoy warlight, I, too, will probably be gone soon. I enjoy playing quick 3v3 games and, well, that's 6 players and above the 5 player free limit so I doubt as many 3v3s will be created. It won't be an intentional leaving, but just a side effect. The game won't be as enjoyable for me. And that's ok.

I didn't plan to make any sort of goodbye statement. I fully respect Fizzer's decision and think the price point is fair (though I do think it'd be nice to have other alternatives). Unfortunately, $30 for a game is just not something that I can justify right now. Perhaps when things improve and money loosens up I will be back. Or maybe I'll (re)discover another time suck. Either way, it's been an enjoyable few months & I wish Fizzer much success :)

The only reason I'm saying anything at all is that I really hate that damn coffee example. I hear it all the time. Not everyone buys overpriced poorly made coffee. And many of us that once did (though my poison was a local coffee shop a touch more expensive but oodles better than Starbucks) got that monkey off of our backs many moons ago.

yeah I know that the coffee example was bad (I drink free coffee at work), but what I was going for is that it's a one time 30 dollar payment and that you could potentially pay for it by saving your loose change for 2-3 months. But I guess people are just in different financial areas than others and this is one cost people can avoid. For me, it costs half as much as an xbox game and i've been playing this game for over 2 years so I think it's worth it because I'd like to see this game grow more and more.

I do think it would be cool to have monthly tournaments of Non-Members battling it out for a free life membership. I also like the trial runs of a certain time limit but some problems I see is that people will abuse that system and just create new accounts in which they get another free trial and end up never paying.

Fizzer could implement some form of tournament or ladder for free players that whoever was the winner/leader after 1/2/3 months would win a free membership

I think the point that Ruthless is making is that there is almost always a way to afford to pay $30 for something if it is truly a high priority. Maybe instead of spending money on slightly better food, you can buy something that is a little cheaper. Instead of going to see a movie, you can put that money into a Warlight fund, etc.

I know that's not the case for everyone. There are people who are already cutting costs at every little juncture that still can't afford to pay for Warlight, and that is definitely understandable. I've been at that place enough times, but I think for the majority of people they can manage to pay for it if is something they truly value.

Polish guy here.

Duke, your calculations are mostly correct, and I think 20 zloty for a lifetime membership would be even a bit too low; it wont be worth it for Randy, will it?

There's no way I'll pay $30 to Warlight (around ~90zl), unfortunately; it would be much more convenient if it would be split to monthly/quarterly membership, even if in the long run it would be more expensive. (I'm also sixteen. My finances are not exactly huge ;) )

"For me, it costs half as much as an xbox game and i've been playing this game for over 2 years so I think it's worth it because I'd like to see this game grow more and more."

To a point, I agree. As I said, I think the price point is fair. But the comparison to an xbox game is slightly faulty. My entire household can play the console games that we buy. The warlight subscription is personal. It's easier to justify an expense (where I am in my life) if more than one of us can use it.

It's also easier to justify (or, more honestly, to hide) if it's broken up into smaller payments. $30 in one chunk gets noticed. $1, $3, or $5 here & there does not which is why micropayments are so successful/popular.

Yes. Which is why most pay sites use that model. Obviously if you compare with packaged software you come out with a different answer, but that's not a good comparison for most people ($4 or $5 a month sounds a lot better (and would be much more lucrative for WL). To the reduced price for Poland, there's no chance the incremental cost per new user is more than $5 (there's zero advertising budget). $5 per user from Poland is a hell of a lot better than zero revenue from Poland. You have to price at a point where WL grows or it won't work. If the right number is really 30 zloty all the better.

Considering players (especially new players) want to play with their friends. A mechanism to get small groups to join together is crucial. I assume that Fizz has a limited view of what the demographics of the WL community are, but that should directly feed price points, promotions and advertsising, alternative pricing models, etc. BTW -- ask people to share that infomation on their profile if you don't already and keep it confidential unless they elect to make it public.

If WL is predomently high school and college kids, relying solely or mostly on $30 fees paid by credit card is probably not the best way to go (too high an initial conversion cost will turn away the bulk of new players). How significant is the foreign community (that you can tell from the server log of course)? They have much the same problem.

It would be REALLY good to launch with a low monthly payment option.

Plus you don't want to make a teenager ask a parent to fork over $30 -- instead ask them to fork over four or five dollars.

On the cost of lving idea: Can't people make proxy servers to make it seem as if they're in a different country? Just think that would be a big flaw.

Honestly, I want it to be released as 30 now. That way I won't have to worry about subcriptions. Although It is 100% necessary in the long term for Warlight, it's something that will always bug me deep down.

Metaltubbie:
"Also (of course) i'm stopping making new maps. It's a bit pity that i worked on a big map with over 550 territories for a couple of dozen hours and it's nearly done but that is bad luck for both sides (and with the new limitations i even couldn't test my map as it has been created for). "

I guess since Warlight is going commercial, Warlight will have to pay members for the maps they make, i.e. there will be no new maps. Your time and work making a map with +550 territories is lot more worth than 30$.

Unlikely -- in a community like WL people make free maps for the noteriety and fun of playing them.

I seriously doubt that WL will ever need to pay for a map.

I totally agree that paying $30 now is much much better than a subscription.

Your credit card will indicate where you live not the proxy server. No one using a credit card in Poland would be able to fake the address where they get their credit card bill. I don't think that's a serious concern. Ditto with UK, CAN, Japan, etc.

Hey Metaltubbie, I'll give you USD $30 for your map files. Les

I would be very glad if there were some privileges for map creators but probably it's quite unlikely :P

Bye bye Warlight, because im not able to create 3vs3 games.
Wasting time has a end - thanks god…

No free 3v3 games?
It's sad to say goodbye :(

Just pay 30dollar and keep playing with servers that crashes every day ?

Should I ?

maybe i should go back to my hard runescape life

Btw hi everyone on this thread
How are you?

not try to change subject :P

im not spending a cent on this game

I wouldn't think the server would crash since the last update, although I haven't played much. In all fairness though, this game has a substantial level of replayability (That's practically what it's about, isn't it?) so the value for money is definitely there.