Recently I have leaned to becoming an Agnostic and I wanted to look into some deeper Christian books. The Book of Revelation written by a man simply known as John was beyond mind-boggling. From Armeggedon to Mabgog and Gog, The Church of Philadelphia* to Nero, Hitler or Saddam.

*= Philadelphia, Asia Minor. Often called "Little Athens". Now in ruin.

It is an extremely interesting conversation topic and please don't dismiss it without presenting evidence. And no flaming!

I'm gonna start of by saying the part that really interested me was the connections it had to other historical events. Mabgog and Gog may have been Mongols or Huns, and the book predicting the fall of Rome. Or a prediction of current wars in Iraq and Israel (Israel is were the ancient city of Armeggedon is and Iraq holds Babylon)

That is the best part of the Bible.

It really is. It's pretty awesome.

"And then, the fifth angel blew his trumpet. And out of the sky fell a star, with a key to the Abyss." (Revelation, paraphrased from my head.)

Nukes.

That is why it's so interesting! It has an actual base to it.

Mabgog and Gog would be in reference to a modern or futuristic Russia. Revelations is the book about the end of the world and the creation of a new one.

At least it is better than the affirmation that Quran predicted scientific discoveries or helped them.

Some random google search aboit Quran led me to books about the scientific truth in the holy muslim book.

Apparenty, people knew about diseases, nuclear physics, number theory, astrophysics. The author argues that the analysis of holy scripture will precipitate science in general.

It is the same vein as the one guy who "created" a cipher for the christian bible that changes or decrypts the book into his own text he wrote. His texr has fake prophecies that happened in the near present. Some people may have been convinced that the bible is true word of God because of added prophecies.

It is also not better than Archimedes that created his famoud temple using simple physic rules. Will religion become irrevelant like in Asimov Foundation ?

Hello

I have to admit that you guys interpretations aren't more bizare than what I have read from various christian scholars. In some other threads people have argued that the bible has been disproven on countless occasions while others have argued that you can neither prove nor disprove the bible as any other religious text. I however believe that the bible makes relatively precise statements also when prophesying about the future. Sadly with most biblical prohesies bible scholars used the prophecy to date the book after the occurrence, however this is hardly possible with some of the most astonishing prophsies like especially the one found in Daniel 9.
http://www.gotquestions.org/seventy-weeks.html

As for the book of Revelation it fits perfectly well into the canon of the whole bible. It is well known from the Old Testament prophets that the coming of the Mesiah to erect his age of piece will be preceded by the worst time in the history of mankind.

Mabgog and Gog would be in reference to a modern or futuristic Russia.
In Revelation Gog and Magog come from the four ends of the earth after the messianic age of piece.

When people say we are living in end times, I call bs. Look up doomsday predictions of the past and there and hundreds that where incorrect, what's makes you think that they are this time? People have been saying the second coming will happen in their life for hundreds of years, they were all wrong.

Kent Hovind is now out of prison and has been talking about end-time prophecies on his new youtube channel (he wrote a book about it in prison and is hoping to be selling it soon). Of course the guy is a complete fraud but if you are a conspiracy theorist/ young earth creationist, you should love him.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6-cVj-ZRivoa_iSBFcqRoXOvUjmQYDD2

I believe Mabgog and Gog are China and Russia. I'm not so sure though because it may of been predicting the fall of Rome as Gog being the Huns or Goths.

how can you look at that texto and see predictions bout presente day events? that is just stupidity in its puré form

How can you not see predictions about present day events? It seems as though it is talking about modern technology in a Classical way.

When people say we are living in end times, I call bs. Look up doomsday predictions of the past and there and hundreds that where incorrect, what's makes you think that they are this time? People have been saying the second coming will happen in their life for hundreds of years, they were all wrong.

Whom are you adressing Benjamin628? I said nothing like that (if it's a reference to my post).

@Norman

I'm not addressing anyone in this forum, a lot of people cite Revelation when they say the world is about to end.

I cite meteors made of wormwood when prophesying the end of the world....

it is talking about presente day because you have a mind set up to be unable to see anythign else but yourself

Coincidences are there.

Classical people were very smart. Archimedes, Euclid.

Anyways it is a great ending to a pretty interesting book.