So right now games remaining:

B - Frank vs Metatron
F - BlacKnight vs Noobschool


Is it possible to post promotions and relegation's now? We know that if Metatron wins, Frank is relegated and if not Tenshi is relegated. Neither Noobschool or BlacKnight will finish in the bottom or top 2 in F.

That means groups next season should be (THIS IS NOT AN OFFICIAL WORD, JUST IMO)...

Group A
Krzychu
Jefferspin
FlyingBender
Timon
grona
Falker
Mirror

Group B
Ineffable (drop and replace with Master Turtle?)
Master Miyagi
his balls
Orange
Frank/Tenshi
Timinator
Pushover

Group C
Frank/Tenshi
Metatron
Master Turtle (replace with Marachel?)
Beren
Old Surehand
Master Bjarke
rocky1

Group D
Master Atom
Bigchps147
Marechal Lannes (replace with Ollie?)
JV
Ferede/smilyleg/Andersault (demote and replace with Darkpie?)
Master of the Dead
Verzehrer

Group E
Ferede/smilyleg/Andersault
Ferede/smilyleg/Andersault
Ollie (replace with demoted Ferede/smilyleg/Andersault?)
Darkpie (replace with Polakillo?)
Dr Walter Ego
ChrisCMU
Don [ Ω ]

Group F (8 players currently)
ps
Wenyun
Polakillo (promote with Ineffable drop from B and dominoes after?)
ARand0mPlayer
BlacKnight
Noobschool
Master of desaster
linberson

Group G (6 players currently)
bobbob000
ChristophU
almosttricky
Oh Noes
Taisho
Pexito
Stormers

Group H
Auroch
Great Expanse
J0twe
Glorious Koala
butterfly94
USA Biches *super promotion from J
Buns157 *super promotion from J

Group I
MightySpeck
indibob
Benjamin628
awsomeusername
Hades
The Cruelest
Indiana Jones

Group J
ColonelCardwell
Gimli
Hostile
Kain
Arkanton
SAM
Fleecmaster

Group K (8 people)
Platinum
Des
ipg
Ryzys
Cat Juggernaut
Chewie
Jack
Bayern Munchen

Group L1+ (new players)
AWESOMEGUY
mslasm
kirdol
huddyj
Angry Koala
Masterpierround
zanbato
tojam2
PhucilliJerry
jz
ThePop(P)e_(o)(o)
Onoma94

Not sure how you are sorting out the 3 way tie at the bottom of D.

My recommendation on A would be to drop Ineffable (I have not heard from him in months, he may not be coming back). If you do this, then promote 1 extra player down to group F, and you take care of the issue with 8 players in F.

Since G has 6 players, I suggest only relegating 1 as 4th and 5th were 2-3 and 6th was 0-5 (seems like a good delineation line).

Since H only has 4 players (and my suggestion is to only drop 1 from G), don't drop anyone there (already have 4 promotion slots available).

I did J as overall records across all J divisions, not sure how Frank will handle that.

Edited 11/24/2015 15:58:47

So if you want to demote all in the 3 way tie AND drop Ineffable, you could put the 3 way people in E and bump Ollie and Darkpie up to D. Master Turtle would take Ineffable's spot in B and Marachel would take his spot in C. Polakillo would get promoted from the 8 person group to fill the other spot vacated by Ollie and Darkpie getting promoted. I will make my edits in the post above to make it clearer.

This would make all groups 7 players except L

Edited 11/24/2015 15:59:43

I like Chris's idea.... Unfortunately I'm with Timinator for like the 3rd or 4th straight season lol

When will the new thread start?

I thought I just shook off that group of death. Would bloody suck to have all of them in my group again :P

to be fair, once you are in the top 4 divisions it will be very competitive. I mean look at frank or Tenshi getting relegated.

NoobSchool has 2 games left, not 1

Orange dropping out affects the promotions and relegations a lot, also our assessment of whether Ineffable is active or not. I agree with you Chris, we should probably remove him. I got a private mail from him on the 15th saying "sorry will be off for a while" and he is currently playing no games. But it's Frank's decision.

The rule Frank tends to use for promotions is that group N gets #1 and #2 from N-1, then #1 from N-2. But as dropouts mount, it gets more holistic... obviously we want to avoid promoting losing records and such.

Frank won't even consider promotions and relegations until he's done stalling the league lol

Edited 11/25/2015 16:26:51

Can i join

Would like to join this again :)

For Dropouts I'd consider replacing them by Super-Promotions of the 1sts of every league. Guys that go with a record of 6-0 or 5-1 deserve to get up'ed (and I would possibly avoid MotD next round : D).

When will Prom/Rel 18 start?

Sign me up for 18.

GROUP B - FINISHED
Falker (4-2, 1-1, 17) - WINNER
Mirror (4-2, 1-1, 18, 1-0) - 2nd
his balls. (4-2, 1-1, 18, 0-1)
Orange (3-3) - Leaving the league (forum post)
Tenshi (2-4, 1-1, 1)
Metatron (2-4, 1-1, 4, 1-0)
Frankdeslimste • apex (2-4, 1-1, 4, 0-1)

The group has finally finished... with Metatron beating Frank by boot, in a game that seemed to be pretty even. Gee Frank are you really that scared of playing me next season? :P Tenshi beating Falker wins him the tiebreaker, and he avoids relegation.

Therefore Noobschool officially takes the title of league staller, as he still has 2 games remaining in group F.

Edited 12/6/2015 08:10:55

Hi Pushover, can you please explain your secondary tie-breaker to me. What does Falker's '17' mean, and Mirror and his balls' '18'? Could prove useful in resolving ties within the Small Earth League that I run. Thanks.

The large number will be turns.

i'd like to participate next season too

I'll join next season.

Great question huddyj. tojam, you are wrong.

As Frank as explained in previous threads, if it's still tied after head to head, the tiebreak goes to the strongest wins outside of the tie. The number corresponds to the sum of the places of players beaten outside the tie.

In the case of Falker/Mirror/his balls, all three players beat Metatron and Frank (6 + 7 = 13) but Falker beat Orange (4 + 6 + 7 = 17) while the others beat Tenshi (5 + 6 + 7 = 18). Therefore Falker wins the tiebreaker by virtue of beating a higher ranked player, Orange. (Mirror beats his balls in head-to-head)

Similarly, Tenshi's only win outside the tie was against Falker (1) while Frank and Metatron beat Orange (4), so Tenshi wins the tiebreaker that decides relegation.

Edited 12/7/2015 16:33:00

Dam i wish i had more time this season, school and thesis just came with this season.
Not counting clan league.

Haven't even looked at this topic.

me and frank should have a rematch in C though which I think it is fair.

good job everyone, deserved your victories more then me.

Edited 12/7/2015 09:06:04

Thanks for explaining that to me, Pushover. I have used a similar but more complicated system. Basically, if 3 players are still tied on head-to-head, then I give them a secondary win/loss record based on the combined win count of those players they have beaten (wins) vs the combined win count of those players they've lost against (losses). In this case it would be:

Falker (4-2, 1-1, 11-6)
Mirror (4-2, 1-1, 10-7, 1-0)
his balls. (4-2, 1-1, 10-7, 0-1)
Orange (3-3)
Tenshi (2-4, 1-1, 6-13)
Metatron (2-4, 1-1, 5-14, 1-0)
Frankdeslimste • apex (2-4, 1-1, 5-14, 0-1)

Edit: Of course, neither system works if they've each won/lost against exactly the same players.

Edited 12/7/2015 09:10:16