Oh. B is going exceptionally quick. I already finish one of my games!

getting my ass served -_- most of them bad losses but still

J1 Is finished for me.. Dissapointed as usual.

Will have an improved performance next season in J1 Hopefully a good challenge for promotion places.

Seems like many groups are moving along so it's time for an update!

GROUP A
Krzychu (4-1)
Jefferspin (3-2)
FlyingBender (3-2)
Master Miyagi • apex (1-0)
grona • apex (2-3)
timon92 (1-3)
Ineffable (0-3)

Krzychu is in full control of his destiny. If he beats Miyagi he will win Season 17! But if he loses, he would need a lot of help to win, as he loses the tiebreaker to both Miyagi and Jefferspin. Miyagi has already beaten Jeff, so if he wins against Krzychu he will certainly have a great chance at winning. If Miyagi drops games against certain players however, some neat tiebreak scenarios could come about.

GROUP B
Tenshi (1-0)
Mirror (1-0)
Falker (1-1)
Frankdeslimste • apex (0-0)
Orange (0-0)
his balls. (0-1)
Metatron (0-1)

This group is slow

GROUP C
Master Turtle (2-1)
[WM] Old Surehand (2-1)
Timinator (1-0)
Pushover (2-2)
Beren Erchamion (0-0)
Master Atom ◆Elite◆ (2-3)
Bigchps147 (1-3)

Timi is biding his time; I'm still expecting him to win the group. Old Surehand had a good start... right until he booted against me. I also have a win over Turtle and I'm very sure that I will win against Beren, which puts me in good shape tiebreak-wise. If I can upset Timi I should be able to promote... easier said than done.

GROUP D
Master Bjarke (4-0)
Maréchal Lannes, duc de Montebello (2-1)
rocky1 (2-1)
JV (1-1)
Andersault (1-2)
ferede (0-2)
smileyleg {TJC} (0-3)

Even though Bjarke hasn't clinched the group win yet, he needs only one win to do so (against either Andersault or ferede), thanks to having already beaten Marechal Lannes, rocky1, and JV! Meanwhile only one of these three will be able to promote along with Bjarke, could be a fierce battle

GROUP E
Master of the Dead (3-1)
Verzehrer (3-1)
Dr. Walter Ego (1-0)
Darkpie (1-1)
Ollie (2-3)
ps (2-3)
Wenyun (0-3)

MoTD is the early favorite to win it thanks to a pivotal win against Verzehrer. Darkpie and Dr. Walter Ego are still in the mix, but Darkpie's loss to ps could hurt him. There could very well be a fierce relegation battle, and we might see a 2-4 record go down to F.

GROUP F
Don [ Ω ] (4-0)
ChrisCMU (2-0)
[NL] ARand0mPlayer (1-1)
NoobSchool (AHoL) • apex (0-0)
Polakillo (0-0)
BlacKnight (1-2)
ChristophU (0-1)
[REGL] bobbob000 (0-4)

Don currently sits atop the group, but has still yet to play Polakillo, ChrisCMU, and NoobSchool. These four players will need to complete more games before this group truly takes shape.

GROUP G
master of desaster (3-1)
linberson (2-0)
Taishō (2-0)
<SNinja> almosttricky (2-2)
Oh Noes (1-3)
Auroch (0-4)

Taisho has a big win over MoD and is in great position to win the group. However linberson is also in the mix, with wins over the same opponents MoD has beaten.

GROUP H
Peixoto (2-0)
Stormers (2-1)
Great Expanse (1-1)
J0twe (0-3)

The final game between Peixoto and Great Expanse will determine whether Peixoto wins the group outright, or if there's an unbreakable 3-way tie for first.

GROUP I - FINISHED
The Glorious Koala (4-0) - WINNER
butterfly94 (3-1)
MightySpeck (2-2)
indibob (1-3)
[WOLF] Colonel H Cardwell (0-4)

The Glorious Koala is officially the king of the worst newbies from season 16! He'll probably get at least a double promotion (to G) for his efforts.

GROUP J1
Buns157 (6-1)
Gimli (5-1)
USA Biches (5-1)
Hostile (5-2)
Fleecemaster (3-4)
Platinum (2-5)
Ω Cat Juggernaut (Tom's Guardian Angel) (0-6)
Bayern München is the best! (0-6)

Buns has finished the group with just one loss... to USA Bitches. If USA Bitches wins his final game against Gimli, then USA Bitches wins the group! Otherwise, Buns takes it. The top 4 players will have only lost to each other, and will likely be looked upon quite favorably when deciding promotions.

GROUP J2
Hades (4-0)
Benjamin628 (5-1)
+SAM+ (3-2)
awesomeusername (2-1)
Ryzys (1-3)
Des (1-4)
Jack (0-5)

Hades is on course to win this group with an undefeated record, with Benjamin finishing second. Thanks to the tiebreaker between them, Hades needs only one win in his two remaining games to clinch the win.

GROUP J3
Kain (3-0)
Indiana Jones (1-0)
Arkanton (2-2)
ipg (1-2)
The Cruelest (0-1)
Chewie (0-2)

Kain and Indiana Jones appear to be the two top players of the group, based on how they ganged up on Arkanton. It's nice to see players I'm not familiar with do well, and I hope they go far!

Edited 9/24/2015 07:37:30

Please change the Move order setting from Random to Cyclic in the next season.

If you won't, please won't invite me.
But this league without a Dr. will be much less, so you should change it :P

group E is scary

I probably got a win on Surehand and feel confident vs Beren... My loss vs you will hurt

@Dr. Walter Ego

The Promotion/Relegation League is a seasonal group of round-robin Warlight tournaments, always on the classic “strategic middle earth” map and settings.

There's been 17 seasons without cyclic move order, I don't see why it would ever change. If you decide to withdraw from the league you should say so clearly so Frank knows not to include you next season.

@Turtle I still need to beat Timi for my win against you to matter much :P chances are I sit pretty at 3-3 again.

Dr. Walter Ego: if you're quitting could you do it now and surrender our game :p would really help me not relegate :D

There's been 17 seasons without cyclic move order, I don't see why it would ever change.

Isn't it just following 1v1 ladder settings?

^^ It is so I have a feeling the Doctor is out.

Better take care of that liver then Jeff..

Edited 9/25/2015 19:56:58

yeah take of that liver... i could use one

No I need all the livers I can get.

so greedy

What do you need them for? Are you secretly building a liverfort?

@Pushover

There's been 17 seasons without cyclic move order, I don't see why it would ever change.

There's been 16 seasons with 16% WR then it was changed to 0% WR so :P

If you decide to withdraw from the league you should say so clearly so Frank knows not to include you next season.

I think I was clear :P

Btw, your analyzes are very good, thx and keep it on :P



@ps

if you're quitting could you do it now and surrender our game :p would really help me not relegate :D

Be optimistic, you can win that game with own power :P



@Krzychu
What the hell, you became a clanmember? :O

There's been 17 seasons without cyclic move order, I don't see why it would ever change.

Isn't it just following 1v1 ladder settings?

0% SR is not so important for me, but the pure gambling random move order must change here too...



@Jefferspin

^^ It is so I have a feeling the Doctor is out.

Your feeling is wrong. Do you know what does Frank's name mean? I tell you: FrankDeSlimste=FrankTheSmartest

And I tell you too that Lolowut wrote this in an other topic:

I played with Frankdeslimste on the ladder and clan league, and I'm playing with him again this clan league. He has probably the worst first order luck I've ever seen.

So what is your feeling now Jeff? :P



@Frankdemooiste
Please, please, please :D



Jokes aside, I really do not understand why some people want the random move order so hard instead of the cyclic one... I understand why 0% WR better than 0% SR (because the risk management possibility) but why better random move order than cyclic?...

It's up to Frank whether the template gets changed based on ladder or not. If template changes to SR I'll probably start up another version of the league that maintains the classic settings so that people can choose which one they want to participate in. I like the classic settings too much. But I also imagine Frank likes classic settings too much too!

Current P/R League: ME with 0% WR luck and random move order

New 1v1 ladder: MME with 0% SR luck and cyclic move order

Dr. Walter Ego's proposed settings: ME with 0% WR luck and cyclic move order

On move order, I don't feel as strongly about this as SR/WR luck. On the one hand I do think that in certain scenarios cyclic move order promotes more simplistic strategies. Knowing in advance whether or not you have first or second move will limit what you try to do. On the other hand, in rare cases, a game can be decided solely due to move order. When weighing priorities I think the first consequence is more important - I would rather gameplay not be constrained.

On Krzychu joining a clan: this clan looks as serious as [20]. He probably joined so that other clans would maybe stop pestering him to join a clan :P

Edited 9/27/2015 07:30:16

On the one hand I do think that in certain scenarios cyclic move order promotes more simplistic strategies. Knowing in advance whether or not you have first or second move will limit what you try to do. On the other hand, in rare cases, a game can be decided solely due to move order.

I do not agree with you.

I mean, when the move order is not important (the most of the time) doesn't matter we use cyclic or random move order.
But when a first move become important, much rarer when you have GOOD ENOUGH alternative action than flip a coin and try to get the first move! Most of the time if you want to do the best action you must try getting the first move... And I am writing not only the game decide situations, but every situation where getting the first turn mean smaller or bigger advantage, and those are many and only in rare situations when you have got good enough alternative action! This is why I do not understand you.

So you can afraid about we lost these VERY RARE situations.
But I think, you do not have to afraid at all, because the priority card!
I mean, if in a very important (game deciding) situation, both of you still have a prio card, the situation same like random move order, I mean you won't know whether you will have the first turn, or no, so you can find alternative strategies :P

I'm just confused about what you're trying to say now Dr. so I am going to break down what you said.

1.) You said don't invite me if the template stays the same. Not sure what I'm missing there.

2.) Then we move onto the meaning of Franks name. Not sure where this came up but I appreciate the lesson.

3.) As with staying off topic a Lolo quote is thrown into the situation, which is always appropriate amirite??? This quote let me know that Frank has some very bad first turn luck wherever he goes. His argument really gets me thinking. Not sure about what but I know for sure something is churning up there.

4.) Lastly you ask me what my feeling is now. Quite honestly, I had to sit down to read this. I feel like I have just been owned but I still don't understand why. All I can do is applaude you and go cry in the bathtub, as is protocol after reading the Warlight forums.

Best Wishes,

Jeff