And when I say "holy," I mean how many were fought for legitimate religious reasons? I mean, the Third Crusade, the legend of Saladin and Barbarossa, was started because of a captured caravan.

The Church approved it. I don't think it recommended and suggested crusades. Pretty much like war in Europe. Approves the war of a strong country against a small one. Asks for peace only if the war lasts a long time and stalemate. It may impose some mean conditions that is not fair to one party however.

There is a really strange war I forgot. The Chruch recommended for the weakest party to surrender. The country had now other laws and a new ruler. The people obviously created a new army that was efficient to liberate the country and continue war because far from over. The mean belliquous country says a breach of contract of capitulation was made. The governement of the weak country had to repress the rebellion to prove it did not initiate it. Finally, the rebellion worked. The Church asked the new governement to be recognized and stop bullying this small country after just a few hundreds of thousands of losses.

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All were wrong, because they were not fought for the religion, but for money and glory.

All were wrong

Regardless of if it was religious or not.

My question also ties into the question, "Can the religion of Christianity be bashed for the Crusades?"

Not greatly read up on the Crusades but I was very much under the impression that they where just push backs against the aggressive caliphs of Islam retaking land that was already "Christian" owned.

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The Holy Lands had not been "Christian owned" in over 500 years...

Beren Erchamion

Yeah that's why there haven't been any modern crusades. Nobody ITT said that they where now but during "some" of the crusades they where.

I meant they hadn't been "Christian owned" in over 500 years when the 1st Crusade happened.

Aggressive caliphs? Not much. The golden age of Islam's expansion had ended about two centuries earlier. Anatolia was being fought over by the Seljuk Turks and the Byzantine Empire. The trigger for the Crusades was when the Byzantine Emperor requested military assistance from the Church.

Ostensibly, the Crusades were launched to help Christian pilgrims but they really were for gold and glory. In those days, Islam was the most advanced civilization and its wealth and culture was famed in Europe; naturally it attracted invaders. Sure there was some discrimination against Christians (and Jews) by the Muslims, but on the whole the Christians under their rule were pretty well off.

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" in the Temple and porch of Solomon men rode in blood up to their knees and bridle reins."
Really holy, eh?

China and Islam both.

Naram sin

Anyway thanks for info on crusades like I said really don't know much about em better hit the wikipe-- em Books yeah Books.

Mobile double posted

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