Leviticus is just death.....it's like Saudi Arabia

Save me Jebus!

I've lived in Saudi Arabia.
The law on killing participants in non-marital sex is only for those that are not virgins and six trustworthy people profess to witnessing penetration between the two parties. Also, there are similar strict guidelines for corporal punishment for robbery. These punishments are only for deterrent purposes.
The only people that are executed in Saudi Arabia are those that either commit murder of a Muslim or attempt to smuggle drugs into the country. The vast majority of Saudis support capital punishment, and it is banned from recording and/or showing these executions to minors. It is not as usually purported to be in the leftist Western and European medias.

Also, I reject the accusation that I am trolling this thread.

I respect Christianity and I respect Christians. I will not insult them or their religion.

If anyone has a problem with me professing my religion openly in this forum, please contact me in private. Thanks.

Also, I appreciate the input of people of all beliefs and faiths, whether Atheist, Christian, Muslim, Jewish or Pagan.

I have some frains.

Relm: Do you support the murder of 99%< the Earth's population again since we are getting rowdy and more unfaithful to God since the 1700s?

Colonel: Why would God make folk that no matter what, "have black hearts" and can't believe, just to sentence them to eternal Hell? That's straight out of some messed up book, where some scientist makes a lifeform and then tortures it its whole life.

I give credit to Relm for being brave enough to talk about his religion on the internet. It's a shame there always has to be a couple set people who have to stick their noses into a peaceful thread and ruin it with negativity because they don't believe.

I mean honestly, if you're an Atheist, that's fine. But why do you feel the need to post here? This is obviously a thread for religious people. Posting here just to attack religion is really petty and makes me wonder if you're in some way insecure about your own beliefs, or lack of.

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@Eklipse: I don't see where is the bravery in posting bible verse online. And if he post this on a public forum then he should expect people to disagree with him to criticize the ideas he is putting forward. If someone were pushing faschist ideas on a public forum, wouldn't you understand why someone against these ideas would feel the need to post his opinion? Well it is the same thing here. The god he is advertizing for, as shown by the very Bible verse you can find in his book, is in my opinion way worse than any totalitarian dictator there ever was on earth, and it is important to point that out every time someone tries to push this ideas on others, wich is certainly the point of this thread. If he wants to gather some christians to talk about the bible and don't want to face criticism, he can do it privately. As for your statement

Posting here just to attack religion is really petty and makes me wonder if you're in some way insecure about your own beliefs, or lack of.

This really shows the problem with religion, where religious people seem to think it is OK to push your religion unto others, but it is NOT OK to criticize religion, as if religions were sacred or something. And the fact that you choose ad hominem attacks toward atheists rather than engage in a battle of ideas probably show more about who is insecure here.

edit: Here is an exemple of what you get when people take their holy book too seriously (fortunatly, most christians around the world don't take the Bible seriously, and cherry pick the verses they like best, while ignoring the heinous and immoral ones.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_BA-KyefPQ

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I don't see where is the bravery in posting bible verse online.

It's only brave because those who refuse to hide their religion in a closet often come under fire by those like you who refuse to let people believe what they choose to believe in.

and it is important to point that out every time someone tries to push this ideas on others, wich is certainly the point of this thread.

Excuse me, but how does the existence of this thread somehow "push" ideas on to you? It's completely voluntary to click on this thread and read it's contents. The title itself should even be a warning for those who seem almost allergic to religion.

If he wants to gather some christians to talk about the bible, he can do it privately.

Actually I think he can talk about it wherever he wants. People have the right to express their religious beliefs publicly and freely. The only restriction is that they can not force their own beliefs and ideas on to you, which isn't happening here. Again, even reading this thread is voluntary, you aren't being forced to do anything. You could have just as easily ignored this thread instead of going out of your way to attack something you personally don't like.

where religious people seem to think it is OK to push your religion unto others, but it is NOT OK to criticize religion,

Again, nobody was forced to do anything. This was a thread for religious people to discuss religion, nothing more. If you aren't a religious person, than just ignore all of this.

There are two types of Atheists, and you seem to be the bad kind.

1.) Atheists who do not believe in any high power but are respectful of the beliefs of others. These Atheists will usually leave religious people alone as long as religion isn't forced upon them.

2.) Atheists who act as if any public mention of religion is an insult to them and think they're on some sort of crusade to attack religious/spiritual beliefs wherever they see it.

In real life I know many of Type 1, sadly Type 2 seems to be quite common on the internet.

And the fact that you choose ad hominem attacks toward atheists

Not true. My post was directed specifically at those who've shown up to attack religion in this very thread. I made no insults towards Atheists in general.

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well i'm going to dismiss most of your post because you are putting word in my mouth that i never said. I never said that he forced me to do anything, nor have i ever said that he couldn't talk about whatever he wants to talk. Nor do i "refuse to let him believe what he wants to believe".Just that if he does it on a PUBLIC forum, he shouldn't expect people to shut up when they disagree. If someone is wandering naked in the street, i wouldn't say that he forced me to look at his private parts, i can always look away, but he certainly pushes it unto me.

Also this thread wasn't for religious people only, if he wants to have a discussion with religious people only, then he doesn't post on a PUBLIC forum.

My post was directed specifically at those who've shown up to attack religion in this very thread

well you are just illustrating my point. What you are saying is that if one disagree with religious doctrine, then he should shut up, and if he speaks out, he must be insecure about his belief. This sounds like ad hominem attack to me, you chose to target the speaker rather than his ideas. And when you refer to his ideas, it is only to distort them.

edit: just to be clear, i'm not saying that he can't of even shouldn't pushes his religion onto other people, if he think he is right then he absolutely should push his ideas. Just don't whine when someone disagrees with you. And by the way, all i did was posting BIBLE VERSES. If you think bible verses are an attack to christianity, it seems a bit paradoxical

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, well i'm going to dismiss most of your post because you are putting word in my mouth that i never said

In other words, "I'm going to ignore everything I don't have a rebuttal for."

I never said that he forced me to do anything

where religious people seem to think it is OK to push your religion unto others

i'm not saying that he can't of even shouldn't pushes his religion onto other people, if he think he is right then he absolutely should push his ideas

You keep using the word "push" as to imply that everyone here is somehow obligated to listen. But nobody is. Everyone who came here was looking for this type of message.

nor have i ever said that he couldn't talk about whatever he wants to talk.

If he wants to gather some christians to talk about the bible and don't want to face criticism, he can do it privately.

Christians (And other religious folk) shouldn't have to go hide in a hole somewhere to discuss spiritual topics without coming under attack. If Atheists can be public with their thoughts on the matter than so can religious people.

If someone is wandering naked in the street, i wouldn't say that he forced me to look at his private parts, i can always look away, but he certainly pushes it unto me.

Your analogy is flawed. The forum is like a public street, yes. However, the topics are akin to buildings along the street. You can't see what's going on inside unless you choose to enter said building. Continuing with this analogy, you've done the equivalent of walking inside of a church just to attack the religion of the people inside when you just of easily could of ignored the church and continued walking down the street with no interruption to your life.

What you are saying is that if one disagree with religious doctrine, then he should shut up, and if he speaks out, he must be insecure about his belief

No, what I'm saying is that walking into a meeting place of religious people just to attack religion is pointless and uncalled for.

Also this thread wasn't for religious people only, if he wants to have a discussion with religious people only, then he doesn't post on a PUBLIC forum.

It's clearly tailored towards religious people, or at-least towards those who are open-minded about spiritual issues. I think you know that full well.

As for the second part, let's put it this way. Say you create a topic to discuss Atheism, inviting other Atheists to talk about it in a peaceful manner. Would it be okay for me to jump in and start attacking Atheism even though the topic wasn't meant for me in the first place?

This sounds like ad hominem attack to me, you chose to target the speaker rather than his ideas.

I've targeted the speaker's behavior, ideas, and apparent intent. That's not ad-hominem.

And by the way, all i did was posting BIBLE VERSES. If you think bible verses are an attack to christianity, it seems a bit paradoxical

You cherry picked very specific verses and then posted them without context to try and shed Christianity in the most negative light possible.

http://youtu.be/VS5-uYLiKmw - it's a joke don't crucify me.

@Eklispe:
I'm trying to keep it family friendly here be it is really hard to do that when you compare responding to a thread on a public forum to walking into a church and attacking religion.
I'm very much inclined to say that you are retarded and then leave.

You are retarded

I'm trying to keep it family friendly here be it is really hard to do that when you compare responding to a thread on a public forum to walking into a church and attacking religion.

It was based on your metaphor. Also, you were the one who compared someone talking about their religion to a naked man showing you his genitals. Who's comparison is more outrageous?

You are retarded

Oh now that's real creative. I bet you spent a long time coming up with that insult. My whole case was rendered moot by the power of that one line. All hail to your fine logic.

Oh, let's not forget you twice accused me of employing ad-hominem. Now you turn right around with a petty insult.

Hitchslap, everything Eklipse is saying about you is valid - you're being very hypocritic and barely answering his posts - the same cherry-picking you seem to despise.

Eklipse, it's not brave to post your faith outlooks - but you're going to have to deal with criticism. Say I promote to kill all Jews - should we just leave me alone? Relm is promoting this on a forum - a public talking space, and you call "attacking" if there's any frains or arguments against Christianity.

Leviticus made a good list of "other" Bible lines, though it wasn't precisely friendly done, it's still an argument.

You know what really grinds my gears? When people, Christians and atheists alike, quote things from the Old Testament to try and define Christianity. Things like stoning adulterers and homosexuals and women who talk back and the like. Christianity---> Christ---> Jesus---> New Testament. The Old Testament is important, yes, but Christians are believers and followers of Jesus Christ, who is loving and forgiving to basically all but hypocrites. Pope Francis is doing it right. That's all I have to say.

It's a shame there always has to be a couple set people who have to stick their noses into a peaceful thread and ruin it with negativity because they don't believe.

yeah, same thing happened for a pro-science and atheist thread once, and religious people complained likewise.

Okay, I think this falls to me for not making it clear: this is a thread for Islamics, Jews, and Cristians (it does not matter which you are) to share their different views on things. I've debated plenty people from all faiths and I always seem to come to a point where I do not know enough about the other religion to continue further debating, so a Jew can come on here and say the Jewish viewpoint and then I can better understand that view. I just posted the chapter as a scripture lesson a thing I do in my own clan that someone suggested I should try here. This thread is for open practice of Religions a.k.a. not cults. Again the lack of an explanation of this thread is my fault and I apologize dearly for it. for those who come here for an argument, send me a mail and ill respond with my honest answer. for those who like the idea of this thread but feel its mostly around Christianity, make one for your religion and that will lead to less conflict, those here to troll...i cant stop you but i ask that you show at the least some maturity,decency, and intelligence in your posts. thank you all & goodday.

P.s. i feel like i missed something so if i remember it ill edit it onto this one or make a new post about it and to the guy who posted about 100 bible verses, i cant type my answer to them all with the context they should be explained with so here is my skype: Legome18 , add me and ill find a time to spend an hour explaining the verses and there meaning with the context they deserve...please try to not turn this into a argument(I am sorry about that atheist/agnostic thread that got rampaged, if i were ont he forums at the time, i surely would have begged people to stop. Peace be with you all amen.

P.s.s I would again say this thread is not for arguments nor am I forcing my or any religion down someones throat.

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Lol, good luck getting a non-crazy viewpoint of Islam out of Colonel.

Where's the love for Tom cruise?

I count Scientology as a Cult
Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses i count as denominations of Christianity
I count Skourby as an Abomination (mostly wolves will get that joke)