Secularists have no morals, and therefore are more likely to commit atrocious acts. Your opinions, please!

I think everyone should have the freedom to believe in anything they want.
Even if they're fucking wrong

yes.......... yes to Secularism

Edited 11/25/2015 11:34:47

This is why Sweden, the Netherlands, and Japan are such hellish shitpiles - too many atheists.

Secularism is needed for democratic continuance but religion is needed for civic morality. Its a tough trade-off on how much society remains secular. The more secular societies become, the more willing they are to accept new progressive notions of morality that are often based on gray zones of relativity.

Umm sure, having secular persons is totally bad, why don't you go live in Japan or Scandinavia, and then report back


ALSO, f*ck organized religion, it starts all the d*mn wars.

Infact, this entire terrorism thing is radical organized Islamists fighting organized christians
for the most part

"Organized Christians"?

This phenomenon hasn't existed since maybe WWII. The fight against ISIS involves at least 60 countries, many of which are Muslim majority. Get your facts straight. Blaming organized religion for all wars is such a cop-out and generalization that is an abhorrent disregard of history's complexity. Geopolitics, economics, and socio-cultural factors are just as powerful catalysts for war.

This phenomenon hasn't existed since maybe WWII.

Untaught swine, there are organised Christians killing others for not being Christian in the first place, today; one of the worst massacres in the last 50 years was made by the Christian Lebanese militia for not being Christian. Frankly, come on, Christian violent extremism is not even being catalysed, like the Islamic extremism is, so you can't say modern Christianity is a clean slate.

Blaming organized religion for all wars is such a cop-out and generalization that is an abhorrent disregard of history's complexity. Geopolitics, economics, and socio-cultural factors are just as powerful catalysts for war.

I wish more people understood this. Violence and war are very complex subjects with no easy answer or explanation. When your knee-jerk reaction is to go: "Hurr-Durr religion is evul" it shows that you have a very poor grasp of history and politics.

religion is a easy way to get people riled up, so it looks like it can be the main reason even if it is not necessarily.

if secularists have no morals, then gods have a tendency to be evil as well.

^ Totally agree with my Koala bro.

ALSO, f*ck organized religion, it starts all the d*mn wars.

Most wars are not started by religion, this is a common mistake due to the hatred in the middle east and the crusades


Infact, this entire terrorism thing is radical organized Islamists

here is what Ban Ki Moon (leader of the UN) said they are "The Un-Islimic Non-State"

fighting organized christians

Yes, Because Syria,Israel,Jordan, and all other middle eastern countries fighting ISIS are dominated by Christians XD

Even if you don't believe that organized religion is responsible for wars, you have to admit that organized religion is a damn good tool for terrible people to use against others.

Anything that provides an inescapable consequence for disobedience, and has an established record of meddling in everyday affairs can be used to control lots of people, and thus is dangerous in the wrong hands.

Also, do people actually believe that religion is the only possible source of morality? I thought that belief was a comedic strawman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxc20saM8DA

^^good song with vague relevance to the topic^^

Edited 11/26/2015 03:55:42

How do you ban a belief system? I don't see how a government has the power to actually change what people believe- maybe it can get away with penalizing certain thought systems and worldviews, but that alone comes with a lot of side effects (especially on the economic side- at least historically, attempts by populations to eliminate minority viewpoints and belief systems have often disproportionately harmed their society's "intellectual" class).

The destruction of minority viewpoints isn't always based on a religious motive though. The red army and the communist government of China purged the Intellectual class (which was more pro-west) because they saw their views as a threat to their rule, but it wasn't based on religion...it was based on power politics and the need to unequivocally equalize economic power.

Edited 11/26/2015 04:42:01

I'm not challenging that or claiming that intellectual classes tend uniformly toward certainly viewpoints.

Regardless of whatever it was based on, the justifications supplied by the Red Army weren't about control- instead, just as Colonel and others are classifying certain groups of people as "amoral"/etc. in this thread, the Soviets applied other blanket classifications to the groups they persecuted in order to dehumanize them.

Basically, it's kind of interesting what happens when we get so caught up in our own ideologies that we forget that the people who disagree with us are still people whose lives, thoughts, and experiences are just as valid as our own.

Edited 11/26/2015 04:54:25

With no emotion to get in the way, logic can rule supreme. Secularists FTW!

Secularism =/= logical and unemotional thinking. I know plenty of secularists who base almost all of their beliefs on emotions, sometimes illogically.

SECULARISTS ARE NOTHING BUT DAMN COMMIES AND SOCIALISTS! THEY WANT TO RE ELECT BUSH AND OBAMA! THEY'D HAVE US COMMIT INCEST WITHIN OUR IMMEDIATE FAMILY ! THEY'D GIVE US COURSERS FOR COUSINS AND GENNETS FOR GERMANS! OUR SONS WOULD BARK AND MEOW AT US! THEY'D TRY TO TAKE AWAY GOD! THE ONLY WAY TO PREVENT THEM FROM SPREADING IS TO TAKE AWAY ALL THE SPERM THEY HAVE SO THAT THEY CAN'T REPRODUCE! THUS, I SUGGEST EVERY SECULAR PERSON GETS SOMEBODY TO SUCK THEM OFF TILL THEY'RE INCAPABLE OF REPRODUCTION! COME ON GUYS WHO VOLUNTEERS FIRST?

Hereditary Theocracy is best, Montenegro had it and lasted against the Musselturks for hundreds of years.