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Britain to bomb Syria !: 12/2/2015 23:05:27


SirSalty
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British mp's have voted to bomb Syria it was an overwhelming vote,despite Jeremy Corbyn's resistance.
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Britain to bomb Syria !: 12/3/2015 04:08:27


The Man Who'd Buy Spain
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Step 1. Invite any civilians/refugees of Syria who want to escape the conflict into EUrope and other countries.

Step 2. Completely bomb Syria until it is void of life.

Step 3. Rebuild Syria.

Step 4. Move the people back in.

Step 5. Help them until they can walk on their own.
Britain to bomb Syria !: 12/3/2015 04:10:13


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I'm sorry the rest of the world, I'm ashamed of my government yet again...
Britain to bomb Syria !: 12/3/2015 07:38:12


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Why would you be ashamed of your government's willingness to shoulder the cost (both financial and in lives) of fighting a war that's not yet at their border, in order to combat a force that is anti human?

It's good to help your neighbour out. If you saw your neighbour beating his wife to death, would you be ashamed of stepping in to stop him?
Britain to bomb Syria !: 12/3/2015 07:38:32


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Labour needs to control power and quick
Britain to bomb Syria !: 12/3/2015 07:40:45


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You're missing the point, the amount of innocent civilians that will die at the hands of the British bomb two times the amount of casualties then the Paris attacks;in fact France themselves killed 700 innocents in 'revenge'
Britain to bomb Syria !: 12/3/2015 07:42:08


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Lastly nobody wants to bomb Syria the majority opinion in Britain is that we don't want to bomb Syria. But then Cameron says he speaks for the people. Disgraceful
Britain to bomb Syria !: 12/3/2015 08:10:20


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Why would you be ashamed of your government's willingness to shoulder the cost (both financial and in lives) of fighting a war that's not yet at their border, in order to combat a force that is anti human?

It's good to help your neighbour out. If you saw your neighbour beating his wife to death, would you be ashamed of stepping in to stop him?


Heh.
Britain to bomb Syria !: 12/3/2015 12:30:06

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This is stupid and unplanned. Bombing Syria is completely different to bombing Iraq. In Iraq, at least when we first started bombing it, the aim wasn't to defeat IS, instead it was supposedly to defend Iraq. However, now the government thinks it can push back IS but has no idea whatsoever who it wants to take control of the land under the control of IS. The bombings will do little to stop IS, but will do a lot to help IS with their propaganda.

Edited 12/3/2015 12:30:27
Britain to bomb Syria !: 12/3/2015 12:55:33


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I was in parliament square protesting last night. It's terrible, I think it's about 70% of the British public are against bombing, yet about 70% of parliament was in favour of it. Not much of a democracy. Even if we just forget the innocent people who will be killed, the families that will be forced to flee to Europe, only to be called a "swarm". What will this achieve? It will only reinforce their ideologies, allow them to play the victim, frame us as evil oppressors. Extremism will increase and we'll have wasted lives and money. The money the west has spent on the middle east cycle of war, which it started, could have eradicated world hunger and poverty several times over.
Britain to bomb Syria !: 12/3/2015 13:01:56


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proxy war
Britain to bomb Syria !: 12/3/2015 13:16:05

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It's good to help your neighbour out. If you saw your neighbour beating his wife to death, would you be ashamed of stepping in to stop him?


Would this "Helping out" involve the murder of their children and their other neighbours who are innocents? Nope, i didn't think so either.

But that's what the bombs are doing already.
Britain to bomb Syria !: 12/3/2015 14:38:55


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Boots on the ground is evil, airstrikes are evil. What do you people suggest we actually do about ISIS? Nothing?

ISIS will continue running rampant over the Middle East, slaughtering innocent people and gaining strength, until they're stopped. I can understand a reluctance to go to war, but someone will have to get their hands dirty if ISIS is to ever be defeated.

This shell-shocked isolationist attitude is the same thing that allowed Nazi Germany to advance as far as it did during the 1930s-40s.
Britain to bomb Syria !: 12/3/2015 14:43:23

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@Eklipse, saying you want to defeat IS is all well and good, but you do you want to take over the land currently under their de facto control? No one in favour of these air strikes has come up with a sensible answer to this yet.
Britain to bomb Syria !: 12/3/2015 14:52:55


Okabe Rintarou ( AKA Hououin Kyouma)
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just wait until The Caliphate eradicates your puny nation
Britain to bomb Syria !: 12/3/2015 15:49:20


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I am supposedly a Tory, and I support the Prime Minister's decision to expand the fight against ISIL to Syria, and I would also support a further expansion into Libya.

ISIL are a terrorist organisation, and should be fought against with tooth and nail, and I am proud that Britain is one of the few countries alongside the US, Australia and France with the testicles to support the Muslim countries of the UAE, Saudi Arabia and Jordan reclaiming their honour and religion.

"We can always count on the Americans to do the right thing, after they have exhausted all the other possibilities."
~Winston Churchill
Britain to bomb Syria !: 12/3/2015 15:51:37


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What ! All this will accomplish is an attack on London. Because we bombed the shit out of innocent civilians
Britain to bomb Syria !: 12/3/2015 15:59:48


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My new profile picture explains it all
Britain to bomb Syria !: 12/3/2015 16:03:03


The Man Who'd Buy Spain
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What ! All this will accomplish is an attack on London. Because we bombed the shit out of innocent civilians


Well, ISIS already hates all of Europe, so bombing Syria won't change anything in that regard.
Britain to bomb Syria !: 12/3/2015 16:11:09


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saying you want to defeat IS is all well and good, but you do you want to take over the land currently under their de facto control? No one in favour of these air strikes has come up with a sensible answer to this yet.

It's a tough question. The best thing would be to give control back to the Iraqi government, only this time prop up their infrastructure and education to make the country more stable. There's still no guarantee they won't fall apart again, but with the right tools we can make it far less likely for another terrorist group to gain this kind of ground.

Destroy IS, rebuild the country, hope for the best. It's a far superior option than the alternative of just sitting idly by and watching events unfold.

Well, ISIS already hates all of Europe, so bombing Syria won't change anything in that regard.

This^. Europe and the United States are already primary terrorist targets. Groups like ISIS despise our existence with a fury and nothing is going to change that. Even if you ignore them, they won't ignore you.

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Britain to bomb Syria !: 12/3/2015 16:15:02


SirSalty
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Ahh the Paris attacks remember that but 10 times worse on a daily basis.
Britain to bomb Syria !: 12/3/2015 16:26:43


Darth Darth Binks
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Ahh "kill all infidels" remember that? It would have happened regardless.
Britain to bomb Syria !: 12/3/2015 17:47:02

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It's a tough question. The best thing would be to give control back to the Iraqi government, only this time prop up their infrastructure and education to make the country more stable. There's still no guarantee they won't fall apart again, but with the right tools we can make it far less likely for another terrorist group to gain this kind of ground.


So hand Syria over to Iraq when all this fighting ends?
Britain to bomb Syria !: 12/3/2015 20:07:00


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We shouldn't be involved. I admire Jeremy Corbyn, however, for allowing his party to have a free vote. He holds his opinions highly to himself, and he is perfectly happy for his party members to hold their opinions highly to themselves. Unlike fucking David Cameron who will get somebody out of work if they go against him with his whole EU shit.
Britain to bomb Syria !: 12/3/2015 21:12:13

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@Ox, Jeremy Corbyn is allowing his party a free vote on everything, not just air strikes. Also, the majority of Labour MPs voted against it. Also, how Labour voted didn't matter because the Tories used their majority to win the vote.

Britain to bomb Syria !: 12/3/2015 21:43:31


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On the other hand, look how cleverly the SNP voted. (As usual)

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Britain to bomb Syria !: 12/4/2015 00:44:34


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You're right. Smart move by the SNP. If this bombing campaign stretches on indefinitely they can use it in the next elections to push for another referendum or at least demand even greater devolutions of power. At the same time I fear a reprisal attack on UK by ISIL/Daesh like the one committed against France in retaliation for the bombings. If that happens, then that could throw the current party alignments into flux. But in reality if the citizens of UK want a committed party against European foreign adventurism while standing strong for UK unity then UKIP is probably a good bet :P

Either way I don't understand why Western Europe and America want to waste tax payer dollars on a bombing campaign that Putin is more than willing to do for us.
Britain to bomb Syria !: 12/4/2015 02:22:00


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Either way I don't understand why Western Europe and America want to waste tax payer dollars on a bombing campaign that Putin is more than willing to do for us.


What you said is probably one of the reasons why.
Britain to bomb Syria !: 12/4/2015 03:54:32


[AOE] JaiBharat909
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What you said is probably one of the reasons why.

That implies that Putin and Russia is a greater or equal existential threat to Western Nations than ISIL, and I don't think any rationally minded person could 1) argue this and 2) justify it.
Britain to bomb Syria !: 12/4/2015 05:55:03


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Does anyone actually think that their countries are going to "intervene" since it's morally honourable? No, the only grounds that they're going to intervene is to grow their own interests.

Russia and Iran help Syria since they're both good allies with Syria, which they need as a strategic site to have allies and to make sure that every country that isn't "allied" with America in the Middle East is wrecked aside from Iran.

The American and the like are to insure that the SAR gets wrecked, some Kurdestan independence and other good potential war-starters amongst already divided common opposition front. Some more chaos in some boroughs like Dimashq, Halab, and Homs? Wonderful.

Afghanistan: Wrecked.
Arabia: Allied.
Bahrain: Allied.
Egypt: Serious internal problems in 2011, now most seen in Sinai. Strong enough to resist better.
Emirates: Allied.
Iran: Managed to stop most American strikes before it got serious, but is constantly bullied by America.
Iraq: Badly hurt in the Gulf War, wrecked in the Iraq War.
Israel: Allied. Mini-America of Middle East foreign policy.
Jordan: Allied.
Kuwait: Allied.
Lebanon: Hurt in great domestic violence, but as its value as a strategic site went up, less and less problems.
Oman: Allied.
Palestine: Wrecked.
Qatar: Allied.
SAR: Wrecked.
Turkey: Allied.
Yemen: Allied, but after a long campaign, the IM eventually striked revolution, and the new government? Wrecked.

Anyhow, most folk here know my opinion and arguments on this.

You're right. Smart move by the SNP. If this bombing campaign stretches on indefinitely they can use it in the next elections to push for another referendum or at least demand even greater devolutions of power. At the same time I fear a reprisal attack on UK by ISIL/Daesh like the one committed against France in retaliation for the bombings. If that happens, then that could throw the current party alignments into flux. But in reality if the citizens of UK want a committed party against European foreign adventurism while standing strong for UK unity then UKIP is probably a good bet :P


First off, SNP's not a chance outside Scotland, and as for Scotland, they've got practically as much vote as they can. But it is a good choice. Also, UKIP? They say they think the wars in the Middle East have been very bad. But they're barely not true fascism - they're far-right far-authoritarian, which typically love war. Probably will invade Nigeria or Sudan, something like that.

That implies that Putin and Russia is a greater or equal existential threat to Western Nations than ISIL, and I don't think any rationally minded person could 1) argue this and 2) justify it.


Neither is a threat, both are targets.
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