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More gun laws or America!!!!!!!!: 12/7/2015 07:08:15


☁WARLORD♥t(ಥ۾ಥt)SirℜicharD✠[WOLF]☁
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People Guns are not the problem. Organized Terrorism is! I rather have more citizens harmed then not.
More gun laws or America!!!!!!!!: 12/7/2015 12:35:16


Nogals
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yes, arm all Americans

2nd ammendment
fuck yeah 'MERICA

Obama is the devil, the librals and democrats are gay. give more guns.

FUCK YEAH!


*meanwhile every week toddlers get killed from gunshots*
More gun laws or America!!!!!!!!: 12/7/2015 13:06:15


The Mad Japanese
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*Republicans




*Conservatives




*Rednecks




*Incest
More gun laws or America!!!!!!!!: 12/8/2015 01:18:03


DomCobb
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Guns are not the problem?
They play a big part. Mass shooters use them.

Organised terrorism plays a part in the "problem."

Also, what is the problem...
Mass shootings?
Death in general?
Election Day?

Also, you want more citizens harmed than not.
So you want more than half of the U.S. harmed by attack(s).
How about no.

"More gun laws or America"
What?

Edited 12/8/2015 01:19:53
More gun laws or America!!!!!!!!: 12/8/2015 01:37:17


Benjamin628 
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Things that likely have directly killed more people than Armed Civilians:

McDonald's
Police
US Drone Strikes
Big Pharma

The issue here is not guns, the issue is human want to be deceitful, and abuse and kill other human beings.
More gun laws or America!!!!!!!!: 12/8/2015 02:17:32


[AOE] JaiBharat909
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Big Pharma

So right!! Screw the medical-pharmaceutical industry.


Proceeds to study Pharmacy.
More gun laws or America!!!!!!!!: 12/8/2015 02:43:15


Жұқтыру
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Things that likely have directly killed more people than Armed Civilians:

McDonald's
Police
US Drone Strikes
Big Pharma


I doubt all of these, can you get source?
More gun laws or America!!!!!!!!: 12/8/2015 02:51:02


Benjamin628 
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Things that likely have directly killed more people than Armed Civilians:

Okay, so McDonalds was basically a tool to say Diabates/Heart Disease. These stats are all in the year 2015.

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

Total Gun Deaths in 2015 - 12,370
Subtract Accidental Shooting - 10,595
Subtract Defensive Use - 9,445

Subtract Officer Involved Incidents - 5,371
Officer Involved Incidents - 4,074

Sure, you win. Aggressive shooters kill more people than Police Officers, barely.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm

Heart Disease Deaths - 2,596,993
Aggressive Shooters - 5,371

http://www.cdc.gov/drugoverdose/data/overdose.html

Big Pharma Deaths: 44 A Day * 365 = 16060 Per Year
Aggressive Shooters - 5,371

I couldn't find any credible, accurate sources for Drone Strikes (Wikipedia), but I kinda doubt that it is lower than 5,371, but probably not if you count the amount since 9/11 (In which isn't fair, because we are counting aggressive shooters for 2015). Anyway, this number is likely to rise soon, not above 5,371, but maybe into the thousands because of the US Strikes on Syria.

Edited 12/8/2015 03:06:37
More gun laws or America!!!!!!!!: 12/8/2015 03:10:48


Ξ Nanaimo
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If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.
If guns are illegal there will still be gun murders because the murderer doesn't give a shit about what the law says.
More gun laws or America!!!!!!!!: 12/8/2015 03:25:49


Жұқтыру
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http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

Total Gun Deaths in 2015 - 12,370
Subtract Accidental Shooting - 10,595
Subtract Defensive Use - 9,445

Subtract Officer Involved Incidents - 5,371
Officer Involved Incidents - 4,074

Sure, you win. Aggressive shooters kill more people than Police Officers, barely.


Why are you subtracting accidental shooting? And even if you are, that's still 30%< more - not barely.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm

Heart Disease Deaths - 2,596,993
Aggressive Shooters - 5,371


Well, the point I was making is MacDonalds kills noone. Furthermore, this doesn't further your point about humans wanting to kill other humans.

http://www.cdc.gov/drugoverdose/data/overdose.html

Big Pharma Deaths: 44 A Day * 365 = 16060 Per Year
Aggressive Shooters - 5,371


Same here.

I couldn't find any credible, accurate sources for Drone Strikes (Wikipedia), but I kinda doubt that it is lower than 5,371, but probably not if you count the amount since 9/11 (In which isn't fair, because we are counting aggressive shooters for 2015). Anyway, this number is likely to rise soon, not above 5,371, but maybe into the thousands because of the US Strikes on Syria.


I doubt it's more than 1500. Other warfare is a much more convenient way of doing things - airstrikes are different from UAMLs.
More gun laws or America!!!!!!!!: 12/8/2015 03:28:32


DomCobb
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@Nanaimo
Don't forget cops would have guns.
More gun laws or America!!!!!!!!: 12/8/2015 17:19:18


☁WARLORD♥t(ಥ۾ಥt)SirℜicharD✠[WOLF]☁
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omg, guns are not the problem.
More gun laws or America!!!!!!!!: 12/8/2015 17:24:20


☁WARLORD♥t(ಥ۾ಥt)SirℜicharD✠[WOLF]☁
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If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.
If guns are illegal there will still be gun murders because the murderer doesn't give a shit about what the law says.[\quote]

if we let the government take little pieces of our freedom at a time soon u wont be able to cross state lines without cops strip searching you and worse for the convicted criminals that did miner offensives.

we dont need more laws, we need more strong citizens that know how to handle shit like shootouts. u know why? bcuz its a war a war on ur rights.


Edited 12/8/2015 17:32:21
More gun laws or America!!!!!!!!: 12/8/2015 17:35:12


☁WARLORD♥t(ಥ۾ಥt)SirℜicharD✠[WOLF]☁
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More gun laws or America!!!!!!!!: 12/8/2015 17:38:42


☁WARLORD♥t(ಥ۾ಥt)SirℜicharD✠[WOLF]☁
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Countries with the strictest gun-control laws also tended to have the highest homicide rates
More gun laws or America!!!!!!!!: 12/8/2015 17:41:53


☁WARLORD♥t(ಥ۾ಥt)SirℜicharD✠[WOLF]☁
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u guys see in the news that cops kill innocent people. u dont restrict there laws. In fact ur given police more rights to take away rights.
More gun laws or America!!!!!!!!: 12/9/2015 01:56:27


DomCobb
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Cops are not perfect. When they need to make a decision at the pull of a trigger, they might misjudge the situation.

Also, use proper grammar WARLORD.
More gun laws or America!!!!!!!!: 12/9/2015 02:11:19


[AOE] JaiBharat909
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Cops are not perfect

Could not have said it better myself. The question is what we do about it. BAN COPS??? No obviously not. Look the second amendment is very clear about this issue.

Second Amendment: A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

A) Purpose of this amendment - secure the military means for which the citizenry can rebel against their federal government. A civilian population without firearms would have absolutely no way to combat government tyranny.

B) "well regulated militia" - This does not mean the federal government has permission to regulate guns. The entity they indicate should regulate the militia of private citizens are the states, since by definition it is an extra-political organization. If the federal government were to regulate or control a militia it would be synonymous to a standing army, which the framers were completely against. State laws that regulate firearms are legal. Federal laws that regulate firearms are unconstitutional.

C) "Bear arms". Since no precise definition of arms is explained we must give benefit of the doubt to the right of the citizen. Historians often argue that the Constitution was a living document (looked to the future). Since this is the argument, we must assume that the framers understood technological advance and were content with the citizenry being able to buy and keep any type of gun (automatic, semi-automatic, hand held, military grade, etc).

D) "Shall not be infringed". This is self-explanatory. No federal law can be created that restricts the purchase or freedom of movement of guns. This means that any regulations that target specific types of guns are illegal. This also means that laws that prevent free citizens from carrying guns in public or private places is unconstitutional.
More gun laws or America!!!!!!!!: 12/9/2015 02:21:35


TBest 
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^Great, I am looking forward to the nuke/bio/chemical guns. According to the wonderful constitution I am allowed to have them :)
More gun laws or America!!!!!!!!: 12/9/2015 02:27:09


[AOE] JaiBharat909
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Not if the state you live in bans them ;)


See there are rules and regulations. I completely agree with background checks and not giving guns to the mentally unstable. I also agree with sensible restrictions on the types of gun possessions. The only thing I'm trying to say is that the federal government can't do it. Only the states have the constitutional and legal authority to regulate guns. Is there something so radical or crazy in that??
More gun laws or America!!!!!!!!: 12/9/2015 02:36:25


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The problem is that in many people's opinion the states are not doing their job regulating the guns. Also crossing state borders is not particularly hard, which is why many argue for Federal regulations. (Since making your state regulate guns, may be easily circumvented by buying in the neighboring state.)

Edited 12/9/2015 02:40:11
More gun laws or America!!!!!!!!: 12/9/2015 02:43:41


shyb
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im not against guns, im against any random idiot being able to carry guns anywhere near me. prove to me you are not going to accidentally shoot me, or shoot me cause i look at you the wrong way, and i will accept you and your gun's presence near me. if you can whip out a certification saying you are professionally trained to handle crisis situations with a firearm i will shake your hand and thank you for your service.

you may have a right to defend yourself against a tyrannical gubment (good luck doing that with a gun anyway), you may have a right to protect yourself in your home, but you don't have a right to EVER turn a public space into a shoot out. i have a right to safety just as much as Joe Gun Nut, and that right is being infringed because vigilante idiots with violent fantasies feel the need to strut around in wal-mart with their surrogate cocks at their hip.

we don't want to take away your guns (unless you are a criminal. are you a criminal?) we know that more gun regulations aren't going to magically end all gun deaths, but we do think it will greatly reduce them. everyone (nearly everyone anyway) in the gun rights/2nd amendment/NRA camp always exaggerates the threat to their gun rights, creating a boogeyman for them to easily beat. the tone of the gun debate is so absurd that arguing your side is a sisyphean task. the gun rights crowd has effectively won the argument by being the dumbest, loudest, and most extremist voice. gg.
More gun laws or America!!!!!!!!: 12/9/2015 02:45:51

E Masterpierround
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This also means that laws that prevent free citizens from carrying guns in public or private places is unconstitutional.


Respectfully, no. The following is copy/pasted from the Supreme Court's ruling in DC vs. Heller:

2. Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.

The Second Amendment is not a free pass to "absolutely no infringing whatsoever". It's an assurance that weapons for self defense will be legal for law abiding citizens to own and carry. This does NOT mean that every available weapon has to be made legal to carry. Also, you cannot possibly argue that the framers "looked to the future and were and were content with it" That's like saying Jesus was looking to the future when he taught, so he must have been content with the Christian terrorist groups that have been operating in Africa. I think the Biblical Jesus, at any rate, might have had problems with them, but that is a discussion for another thread.
More gun laws or America!!!!!!!!: 12/9/2015 04:51:30


☁WARLORD♥t(ಥ۾ಥt)SirℜicharD✠[WOLF]☁
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lets all be together and defend or country
More gun laws or America!!!!!!!!: 12/9/2015 05:22:39

wct
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+infinity, shyb.
More gun laws or America!!!!!!!!: 12/9/2015 05:38:01


Cacao
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The truth is nobody should have guns. The only reason someone would have guns is too kill someone or something. Anyone carrying guns should be arrested for conspiracy. There's no other reason to have a gun.

Such like that there's no other reasons besides killing by owning grenades, tanks, protective armor etc.
More gun laws or America!!!!!!!!: 12/9/2015 06:40:42

[wolf]japan77
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Shut up and fund the Trigger so we can just disable all carbon-based explosives and live in peace.
More gun laws or America!!!!!!!!: 12/9/2015 14:11:06


☁WARLORD♥t(ಥ۾ಥt)SirℜicharD✠[WOLF]☁
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what happens when the government makes it legal for federal officials to enter ur house without a warrant.
More gun laws or America!!!!!!!!: 12/9/2015 14:27:04


Major General Smedley Butler
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If the second amendment can't apply to semi-automatic rifles , pistols as such why does the first apply to the internet, radio and television?
More gun laws or America!!!!!!!!: 12/9/2015 17:13:59


[AOE] JaiBharat909
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^ +infinity
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