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Country of the Week: Andorra (10): 12/10/2015 12:27:10

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I have assigned 198 countries a number. The countries I've chosen are the 193 members of the UN plus those recognised by at least 20 UN members. Each week I will pick a country using a random number generator and we will discuss that country.




Country of the Week for week 10: Principality of Andorra

Population: 85k

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Country of the Week: Andorra (10): 12/10/2015 12:42:08


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Why do countries like this even bother existing?
Country of the Week: Andorra (10): 12/10/2015 13:23:57


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Only existing country I know ruled by Co-princes (namely the French President and the Bishop of Urgell), picture of MItterrand (former French president):


so our president is still a monarch in some way o.O

FRANCE! IT IS TIME FOR A NEW REVOLUTION!!!!! DEATH TO THE KING!
Country of the Week: Andorra (10): 12/10/2015 13:51:27


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This country is not even really independent.
Country of the Week: Andorra (10): 12/10/2015 13:56:17


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According to your opinion Infection then Canada is also not really independent because of Queen Elizabeth.

So.. he he . No. Andorra is really independent.
Country of the Week: Andorra (10): 12/10/2015 13:57:44


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^but will it blend?
Country of the Week: Andorra (10): 12/10/2015 14:06:35


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This country stolled romanian flag

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Country of the Week: Andorra (10): 12/10/2015 14:11:47


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Andorra is much older than Romania. Same goes for the flag.
Country of the Week: Andorra (10): 12/10/2015 14:17:35


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Andorra adopted blue-yellow-flag in 1866, Romania found it in 16 century
Here are links for evidence:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Andorra
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Romania

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Country of the Week: Andorra (10): 12/10/2015 14:24:25


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Andorra's flag dates back to the middleages so it's much older.
Country of the Week: Andorra (10): 12/10/2015 14:30:55


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ohh my god I showed you links, you can search that everywere, i know they declared independence in 12 century, but their nowadays flag appeared after Romania created it, that mean they stolled it.

Are you that dumb, or whats your problem?
Country of the Week: Andorra (10): 12/10/2015 14:44:31


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Their current flag is inspired from the Catalan one (blood and gold) + The French flag (for the vertical tricolor standard), so nothing again with this Romanian Flag, which is also influenced by the French model. Poor Ion you are again wrong and stop insulting people just because they disagree with you.

Edited 12/10/2015 14:45:56
Country of the Week: Andorra (10): 12/10/2015 14:47:28


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http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/ad_his.html

First flag was quatre barres flag from Catalonia not the blue-yellow-red flag thus making it older. They only added blue because of the French revolution, the Romanian vertical flag was also inspired from the French revolution. Also flag being 'stolen' is an overexaggeration. The flags are just similar.

Are you that dumb, or whats your problem?


There's no need to be arrogant here.
Country of the Week: Andorra (10): 12/10/2015 14:56:32


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Many countrys in europe inspired their flags from French revolution, like Belgium, Italy, Romania,Holland ( but they are not stollen), but the flag of andorra is copy of romanian one, they can say that their flag existed since roman empire, but we shouln'd trust all lies
Country of the Week: Andorra (10): 12/10/2015 16:10:43


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calm down, wiki-warrior
Country of the Week: Andorra (10): 12/10/2015 16:46:42


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Their current flag is inspired from the Catalan one
First flag was quatre barres flag from Catalonia


Not exactly. The yellow-red flag is not originary from Catalonia, it is from Aragon. Catalonia just adopted it, as well as other former Aragonese territories.

By the way, guess which other flag was inspired by the Aragon flag. Yes, Spanish flag is also based on that flag.
Country of the Week: Andorra (10): 12/10/2015 17:19:12

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This country is not even really independent.


Well, let's see if it passes the decorative theory of statehood.

1) Does it have a defined territory?
Yes, not very much territory, but it still has territory is clearly defined and is control of.

2) Does it have a permanent population?
Yes, there are 85000 people living there.

3) Does it have a government?
Yes, and their parliament is called "The General Council of the Valleys".

4) Does it have a capacity to enter into relations with states?
Yes, Andorra is a member of the UN, Spain and France both have embassies within Andorra and Andorra itself has embassies in 6 other countries.

Edited 12/10/2015 17:19:55
Country of the Week: Andorra (10): 12/10/2015 17:21:41


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Wrong Pablo the Catalonian flag is based upon the older County of Barcelona, their heirs then became count of Provence, Foix or Aragon, that's why all these entities nowadays share almost the same flag: the Senyera (Blood and Gold) which come from the House of Barcelona.
Country of the Week: Andorra (10): 12/10/2015 17:33:58


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Funny/interesting story about Andorra (the only one I found actually):

Someone declared himself King of Andorra once, not so long ago in 1933, Boris Skossyreff a noble of Lithuanian Background attempted to seize the power.
On July 12 the same year he issued a proclamation in Urgell, Spain, declaring himself Boris I, King of Andorra and "Regent for His Majesty the King of France" (though the family heads of the House of Bourbon disavowed him), and declaring war on the Bishop of Urgell, Justí Guitart i Vilardebó, the Co-Prince of Andorra.
Unfortunately the new self proclaimed monarch Skossyreff was soon after arrested by Spanish Guardia Civil and taken out of Andorra, first to Barcelona and then on July 23 to Madrid, where he was imprisoned until he was expelled from Spain in November (if he waited a little more he would not have been worried that much by the Spaniards since the Civil War started not so long after).

We should all hail Boris I, Prince of the Valleys of Andorra, Count of Orange and Baron of Skossyreff … sovereign of Andorra and defender of the faith!
Country of the Week: Andorra (10): 12/10/2015 17:41:19


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Andorra is the only country to have Catalan as an official language :)
Country of the Week: Andorra (10): 12/10/2015 18:58:42


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Wrong Pablo the Catalonian flag is based upon the older County of Barcelona, their heirs then became count of Provence, Foix or Aragon, that's why all these entities nowadays share almost the same flag: the Senyera (Blood and Gold) which come from the House of Barcelona.


Please, not again... Stop telling me I am wrong, or otherwise prove it with accurate sources. The flag was first used when Aragon already included Catalonia, so you can not tell where was it used first - However, it was only used by the King of Aragon at that time, not by the County, so its documented origin is in Aragon. Search that if you wish. And "Catalan heirs became counts of Aragon" please no. Aragon stopped being a county long before the Crown included Catalan counties, and at any case the King of Aragon was the one ruling the county of Barcelona. The "house of Barcelona" thing is because Aragon started including those counties when a woman was the Queen, so the surname was his husband's one, the count of Barcelona.

And well I knew about that Andorran "king". Also, Andorra is the only country having Catalan as official in the whole of it, as three Spanish Autonomous communities have it as official too. (France should do it as well with regional languages, although I doubt the future FN president will want to do it .-.)
Country of the Week: Andorra (10): 12/10/2015 19:15:09


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Why not telling you you are wrong since you indeed are wrong :P

This flag already existed in the 9th century long before Catalonia joined Aragon, and was representing the House of Barcelona (one of the oldest European flag truth be told), your pride is blinding you dear Pablo.
And search what? I am really wondering what is your own source. The County of Barcelona was created under the Carolingians. Aragon did not even existed during this period as it started to exist when Navarre was partitionned under Antso III.a Gartzez known as the Great, one of his son inherited what is now Aragon, so long after the County of Barcelona was created.

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Country of the Week: Andorra (10): 12/10/2015 19:16:25


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pret-tt-ty sure the flag is something i wipe my bum with anyway.
Country of the Week: Andorra (10): 12/10/2015 19:22:24


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Everything is said here:

The "Senyera" is the real name of the Catalán flag. It has four red stripes on a yellow background.
Unlike many other flags, the Catalán flag has a history of its own – a legend that reminds us of the origin of the flag that represents Catalonia.The legend is attributed to the county, "Guifré el Pelós”, from ninth century – to its origin. Guifré was a magnificent soldier of the time, who avenged the death of his father, and a commander who developed magnificent military campaigns that allowed the repopulation of the Franks and also marked the border with the Arabs.
In one of his feats, he won an important battle with his faithful Franks over the Normans. This victory was recognized by the king himself "Carles el Calb", who fought at his side and Guifré was awarded a shield made of gold.
From that moment, all the troops, loyal to Guifré brought with them a golden shield, as they had no flag or color to represent them. And his reputation as an invincible soldier grew day by day in the comments of the enemy. "Llop Ibn Muhammad I", a Muslim gentleman of Lleida, felt threatened by the campaigns of Guifré and Carles, so he decided to wall off and protect the city of Lleida. This decision did not please Guifré, who was offended. So he decided to organize the attack on Lleida to expand the " Catalán " territory, in the battle of "Navès". In this battle he was hurt – a deep wound sentenced him to death. "Carles el Calb" put his four fingers (index, middle, ring and little finger) into Guifré’s wound, and with the red blood, painted the four bars of the Catalán flag above the shield.
After his death, and honoring the Catalán hero legend, soldiers painted on their shields the four bars, thus identifying themselves with this flag.
At present La “Senyera” is shared with Valencia, the Balearic Islands and Aragon. Often we see it horizontally, although its origin is clearly vertical.




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Country of the Week: Andorra (10): 12/10/2015 19:26:47


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Country of the Week: Andorra (10): 12/10/2015 23:02:11


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Andorra: A country most Americans will most likely ignore...
Country of the Week: Andorra (10): 12/11/2015 01:24:47


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Panda, the house of Barcelona had similar emblema, but they were not exactly that one. Anyway, that story is just a legend, as most pre-1000s uncertain stories, there are other legends about that. That INE was popularised by Catalan writers in the 19th Century if I'm not wrong, during the Renaixença.

But anyway, I don't mind who invented it... As long as you don't say that it was not an "Aragon Crown", but a " Catalan-Aragonese Crown". Believe me, I have heard it many times, it is just blindness carried out to the extreme.
Country of the Week: Andorra (10): 12/11/2015 09:13:55


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I feel like making an andorra verse the world scenario game, and I have no idea why.
Country of the Week: Andorra (10): 12/11/2015 09:44:14


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Pablo there is a great debate about the origine of La Senyera, and it is a highly politized debate (biased by both pro catalan and pro aragonese/spanish parties).

The origin of this flag is perhaps even not "Iberian" (I mean by Iberian territories south of the Pyrenees), as some suggested it came from the not so far great medieval city of Carcassonne (Carcasona in Spanish: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carcasona), one thing we could agree: the origin is actually quite unknown only speculations, but one thing is sure, it originates from somewhere near and across the Pyrenees (the Pyrenean Almogavars also used this flag once), hence we can say Andorra chose well his flag and emblem, since it is the only existing (for now ;) ) Independent Pyrenean state.
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