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Vote to End: 12/13/2015 20:00:02


Arsteel
Level 46
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In a game, 2 players in my team and 1 on theirs got booted on the first turn. I suggested a vote to end, since a 2v1 is pretty much impossible unless they are idiots. One did not respond. The other did so, but rudely. So my questions are these: Should they Vote to End? Are people assholes for demanding a surrender in a situation like this?
Vote to End: 12/13/2015 20:15:49


tomjh
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No, is the simple answer.

If you are going to lose, you should surrender over VtEing.

Ask for a VtE in these scenarios:

Stalemates
1 Alliance left in Diplo/RP
Vote to End: 12/13/2015 20:16:07


Fleecemaster 
Level 59
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I've never heard this question be posted on the forums before, what an original thought! :)
Vote to End: 12/13/2015 20:20:21


master of desaster 
Level 64
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when there is a boot it teamgames on picking stage, there should be a vote. only noobs don't do that cause they Need the gifted victory
Vote to End: 12/13/2015 20:21:59

cookie 
Level 64
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Actually it make sense for you to surrender. When you vote to end no one gets a point. And if you will surrender they will get a point. They invest on that game; they spent time. And it is not their fault that your team mate get booted. They deserve to get point from that game.


Moreover in coin games, ladder games or tournament games you can not vote to end. I think vote to end only make sense when you are playing diplomacy games. When you play team games or FFA you should not ask for vote to end. When you understand you lost you should just surrender.
Vote to End: 12/13/2015 20:38:02


Nogals
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bullshit cookie, in a ladder game you on your own or a trusted teamate. not some random openseat person. There are no sneaky settings since the game is set by Frizzer himself. A vote should be used, there are some exceptions but in the first 2 turns and someone gets booted, I vote. its the decent thing to do. The only exception to this rule is if you're on my superblacklist.
Vote to End: 12/13/2015 20:46:02

MisterT
Level 60
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peeps please dont listen to cookie. in a friendly game its normal to vote to end,also after picking fase.
Vote to End: 12/13/2015 20:48:36

cookie 
Level 64
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So you prefer no one gets nothing rather than someone gets something.
For your point of view being nice is more important than get a point.
When you ask for vote to end try to pursue others you lost time too. I think it is better just surrender and spent your time with something better.
Vote to End: 12/13/2015 20:52:55


Nogals
Level 58
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If you waited for an hour or something yeah but in most games you wait like 5 minutes. its not that much of a big deal
Vote to End: 12/13/2015 20:56:01


Arsteel
Level 46
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Let me link the game: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=10005713

The guy needed a free win. His win rate was so trashy.

Fleecemaster, I assume that was sarcasm?

Cookie, I was unaware that it even recorded games that were voted to end.

And yes, it was on picking stage.
Vote to End: 12/13/2015 20:59:06

cookie 
Level 64
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I saw in FFA games same players try half an hour to just pursue others to vote to end. And later if several players left they threat to attack them if they do not vote end. It is just waste of time. İf they surrender when they understand they lost it would be much better for everyone else.
Vote to End: 12/13/2015 21:01:48


master of desaster 
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on ffa games you don't vote.

when there is a boot it teamgames on picking stage, there should be a vote.

only then.
Vote to End: 12/13/2015 21:09:07


Nogals
Level 58
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who the fuck votes in a FFA? Everything that was said refers to a team game.
Vote to End: 12/13/2015 21:17:53

cookie 
Level 64
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I did vote to end several times same one get boot in picking stage from other team. I do not mind.
But I do not ask to vote to end when my team mate get booted. I will just surrender. I prefer same one get same thing from game rather than no one gets nothing. And it is better for me not waste time on the game I already lost.
Vote to End: 12/13/2015 21:44:03


Arsteel
Level 46
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You even agreed with me that time. You said that you would vote to end if asked because a team game because unfair via boots.

Edited 12/13/2015 21:49:10
Vote to End: 12/13/2015 21:55:48

cookie 
Level 64
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Yes I agreed. But it just a game. You can ask for vote to end. And they might accept. I do accept when someone ask in that situation. But I am saying that it is also good choice not to ask for vote to end. Just surrender. Do not waste your time with those guys and play another game.
Vote to End: 12/14/2015 15:15:41

MisterT
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micah you are an idiot you said continue the game well then you have to continue you cant say lets see if i can still win and at moment you realise you cant win demand a vote. and if you read chat you are the one being rude. For the rest of the people read the ingame chat and realise micah is the noob
Vote to End: 12/14/2015 15:22:18

cookie 
Level 64
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Totally agree.
Vote to End: 12/14/2015 21:58:03


Pooncrew 
Level 59
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Voting to end is for jabronis
Vote to End: 12/14/2015 22:05:49


Death 
Level 59
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I actually do agree that if your teammate gets booted, you should surrender. Okay, it isn't a fair victory and if you're honourable enough, you probably won't take it anyway. But when you're teaming with someone, you are responsible for his actions too in a way. If he makes a mistake (and getting booted is a mistake) then you'll suffer. But that's how it is... if you don't want situations like this one, search for a reliable teammate earlier.
Vote to End: 12/14/2015 22:22:29


Tiny Koala
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If the game gets messed up because of boots during picks, you should vote to end.

This isn't a good example, since OP agreed to play the game turn 1, then changed his mind turn 3.
Vote to End: 12/15/2015 00:09:04


Arsteel
Level 46
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A 2v1 is stupid. I didn´t agree to go on turn 1. I hadn´t even noticed they were both gone. Sometimes I notice the timer is near the boot and just take my turn as fast as possible. During picks I lost 2 allies, and TURN 0, before they were actually booted, I said, ¨Let´s see if I can win this.¨ My guess for why I said that (I don´t have a perfect memory) is that I was expecting one to be booted, expecting a 3v2, which I would have played.

And since I´m mildly curious, what has xpertthief been saying?
Vote to End: 12/15/2015 01:35:30


Jenkins
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just had that scenario, it was a 4 vs 4, one of my teammates got booted, the other two started in the same bonusland and got booted to.. I asked for vte, because it wasnt my fault, and I didnt saw a reason why I should get a lost match more in my static. but they rudely answered, so I played along and made the match as long and boring as possible.. at the end three of them got booted and the last one finaly voted to end.

was just a waste of time for everyone, but if the match doesnt starts properply, it should be voted to end, so no one gets disadvantaged. Would have done the same, if I would have been on the "winners"-side, if you can call that a win.

Greetz, Jenkins.
Vote to End: 12/15/2015 18:42:21


Pooncrew 
Level 59
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Booting is a big part of this game sadly, you can set up pre reqs and long boot times all you want, but it wont stop someone from getting booted. Stuff happens and its not the other player's fault to have to waste their time when they did everything right. Voting is for jabronis, just find a reliable partner like death said.
Vote to End: 12/16/2015 07:12:17

MRSKILL45
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Cookie there are faster ways to get points, lotterie games or very small maps. And the stats are also important, maybe more important than points, because points will be useless anytime, stats are forever. I often see prerequests 40 % 3on3 winrate, even for tournaments. Also a lot people treat you as an idiot if you are below 40 %. 1on1 and 2on2 stats are also interesting for the people but noone cares ffa stats, because everyone seems to understand its a lucky thing to win a ffa.

Voting a teamgame is a question of honest. You should vote all games (also practice), if 1 player gets booted or got no time anymore and the game isnt decided.

But you can try to make a check which team got the higher income and let the team with the higher income win, the most time it is the team which will win anyway.


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Edited 12/18/2015 17:02:35
Vote to End: 12/16/2015 07:30:07

cookie 
Level 64
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I know faster ways to get point. That is why I am not playing open games anymore. I am playing coin games tournaments games and ladder games.
I do not want waste my time with people when they understand they lost ask vote to end. So Actually I do not care about this topic. If you ever play against me you can not ask for vote to end because there is not any option for vote to end in coin games, tournaments and ladder games.
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