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US Civil War Map: 12/19/2015 05:05:35


Imperator
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Hello :) I have just finished my map of The American Civil War, which you can find here:

https://www.warlight.net/Play?PreviewMap=46733

As of Now, It's ready for testing IMO and I'll need some volunteers! That doesn't mean This is the final version though; If you have some suggestions, let me know.
US Civil War Map: 12/19/2015 05:16:52


Bane 
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US Civil War Map: 12/19/2015 05:22:01


Apollo
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I wouldn't mind giving this a shot :)

Edited 12/19/2015 05:22:28
US Civil War Map: 12/19/2015 05:57:09


Tony Sodano 
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Not really an issue, but typically the Confederacy is depicted in red, while the Union is depicted in blue.
US Civil War Map: 12/19/2015 08:50:20


Fleecemaster 
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I would love to help test! It looks awesome!

Could I make a suggestion? The desert areas: Keep the bonus value the same, but add more territories in so there are similar numbers to everywhere else, the problem otherwise is you can travel extra fast through those areas, like teleportation, I've seen it on other maps, and honestly, it's a terrible design feature, and technically it's against the map-design guidelines too...

"Minimize long connections or drastically uneven territory size"

The example it gives:



"B is much closer to A than C is, even though it appears further away"

To relate it to your map, look how fast you can get from say: Seminole in Texas to Kittson in Minnesota. You can attack from one to the other in just 7 turns. So it will become "The battle for the desert" which just doesn't make much sense historically, and isn't much fun to play, imo, anyway. You'll always find someone to disagree with me however... ;)
US Civil War Map: 12/19/2015 09:58:35


Lucarr10
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I'll help test, but I agree with fleece's point about territory sizes
US Civil War Map: 12/19/2015 14:14:51


Fleecemaster 
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Here's an example of a map where this is a problem:

https://www.warlight.net/Map/18383-Orbis-Veteribus-Notus

You can move half way across the map in just a few turns in some places, which just makes the deserts more important to hold, which is generally the opposite intention.

(I did tell the creator about it but they never responded, imo all the deserts should just be greyed out non-territory...)

I am more than happy to help you alter it to remove this problem, your map looks great even as it is though :)
US Civil War Map: 12/19/2015 14:19:51


OxTheAutist 
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^ I've played quite a few games on Orbis, and I find it a really good map, when people add artificial wastelands in the deserts. Granted, it's a huge pain to play in a proper FFA, where there aren't artificial wastelands in the deserts, and in diplos that haven't added that feature, but people have found a way to make it more realistic. Putting, say a 50 stack in the large, desert-like territories, makes it more realistic, because the deserts would've been a lot harder to gain control of, and it disincentivises people to take the deserts, as they would generally lose more than they'd gain.
US Civil War Map: 12/19/2015 14:27:02


AlternateHistoryGuy
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Me! I wanna test!
US Civil War Map: 12/19/2015 14:31:58


GeneralPE
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THIS IS SO RACIST!! YOU INCLUDED THE CONFEDERATE FLAG! STOP TRYING TO BRING BACK HISTORY AND OPPRESS PEOPLE YOU WHITE IMPERIALIST!!

/sarc

Good map though, not to much I can complain about. Keep it up.
US Civil War Map: 12/19/2015 14:42:34


Fleecemaster 
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Yeah, that's exactly what I do as well Ox, then it works great :) I guess it's like the idea of "road-building" which is cool, but in standard set ups it can kind of make it a bit skewed...

And yeah, I thought the flag might cause some controversy ;)
US Civil War Map: 12/19/2015 15:30:48


Imperator
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To be honest, I'm just not really sure what to do with the territories; I initially planned to not include them at all since they weren't states, but some form of getting to California and Oregon is necessary.

Dividing the territories up at the level of everything else isn't really an option since at the time, there weren't any county-level divisions, which was probably since there was basically nobody/nothing there:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6e/1862_Johnson_Map_of_California%2C_Nevada%2C_Utah%2C_Colorado%2C_New_Mexico_and_Arizona_-_Geographicus_-_CANMUT-johnson-1862.jpg

Bringing Orbis back into my mind actually gave me an idea; Just make the territories gray blocks, like mexico and canada, but divided into seperate territories like they are now and each with it's own nonentity label. And instead of having the territories to allow travel between east and west, I'll just have various roads to connect the gap.

I'll try out this idea later on when I get on inkscape, and you guys can let me know what you think. If you have any other ideas, be sure to let me know too, as I'm not entirely happy with the Territories right now either.

Not really an issue, but typically the Confederacy is depicted in red, while the Union is depicted in blue.


I actually addressed this in the description of the map :P

If you're from the south like I am, you'll notice that blue is a yankee color, so wtf is up with me making the CSA blue on this map? Well yes, blue is a yankee color, but this is a mostly political map, as it was a mostly political war, so I decided it would be appropriate to color the countries based on the parties that were running them. Democrats were mostly running things in the south, so That's Blue, and up north there were mostly republicans, so it's colored red.



Although this is only telling half the story, I actually did it the other way around; I started doing the union in Red, and then had to come up with a logical reason for doing it that way since I had already finished New England, New York, & Pennsylvania when I realized my mistake.

Why the red/blue color scheme in the first place you may ask? Well, it's because I was actually doing this map as a second in a series of maps, the first being here:

https://www.warlight.net/Map/20287-Iron-Curtain-20

Edited 12/19/2015 15:46:21
US Civil War Map: 12/19/2015 15:49:16


Fleecemaster 
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I really like the iron curtain map, didn't realise that was your's too! :)

I think the idea of using roads (maybe rail too) is a great one, that should fix it and also add some nice asthetics :)
US Civil War Map: 12/19/2015 17:19:16


Imperator
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And about the flag, I'm not really sure how It could possibly cause controversy since It's not the Virginia battle flag, which is the flag that pops into most people's heads when they think "Confederate flag".
US Civil War Map: 12/19/2015 18:11:13


Von Jewburg
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I think a few things could be changed/added:

1. Make the north blue and Confederates grey. The Natives can be brown or red or whatever you'd like.
2. Maybe make some "objective bonuses" (Certain battle site and the nation's capital as a bonus)
3. Again, the desert stuff. Maybe make a few passages, or leave it as impassable. Maybe even give a negative bonus in some parts.
4. Why is West Virginia green?
US Civil War Map: 12/19/2015 18:23:02


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1. As I stated above, The biggest reason it is how it is is that It's going to be a huge pain in the butt to change it. However, There is an argument to be made for the Union Red/Confederate blue which I have already made earlier in the thread.

2. I'll consider adding this

3. Negative bonuses are definitely another possibility, but IMO I'd have to give each territory it's own negative bonus.

4. West Virginia Is green since It's a sort of special case as far as Union/Confederates go. It started out as the western counties of virginia, but then seceded back to the Union in the middle of the war. This map is based at the beginning of the war, but I felt that I needed to acknowledge that It existed in some way. If you'll notice, I've included the area of west virginia in the Virginia superbonus.

Edited 12/19/2015 18:27:13
US Civil War Map: 12/19/2015 19:08:38


Empire of Kilos
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I'm glad you used the Stars and bars instead of the Battle Flag/Naval Jack
US Civil War Map: 12/19/2015 19:10:06


Empire of Kilos
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Also spelling error for North New Mexico Territory, it's missing the N in North.
US Civil War Map: 12/19/2015 20:20:54


Fleecemaster 
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You should use desert roads, like in "Strategic World"

https://www.warlight.net/Map/20850-Strategic-World-Land-Ocean
US Civil War Map: 12/19/2015 20:27:58


Des {TJC}
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Yeah, I'll test it.
US Civil War Map: 12/19/2015 21:50:29


Ξ Nanaimo
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Ventura in Southern California is not in the right spot, and the territory you have named as 'San Benito' would probably be better named 'Monterey'

Overall a very good map, I would like to help test it

Edited 12/19/2015 21:52:01
US Civil War Map: 12/19/2015 22:22:59


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Thanks, I've incorporated those changes into the map.

I've combined the Territories and made them non-player controllable, and I must say it looks pretty wicked. Now All I have to do is plop some roads on and I'll be set to make a test game.
US Civil War Map: 12/20/2015 01:06:04


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Alright. I made a test game, and I invited the following people:

[AOE]Appollo
AlternateHistoryGuy
Bane
Des {TJC}
Fleecemaster
Lucarr10
Nanaimo

If you posted in the thread to test and I just kind of forgot about you, I'm really sorry, and you can post below to make me feel like a total jackass...
US Civil War Map: 12/20/2015 02:25:22


GeneralPE
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F*CK YOU JACKASS!! just kidding, I have too many games and can't play right now. Hope it works out
US Civil War Map: 12/20/2015 02:32:25


Le Count H 
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Ill help invite me
US Civil War Map: 12/27/2015 18:21:56


Fleecemaster 
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It's a good map :)
US Civil War Map: 12/27/2015 19:17:46


crazypotato9
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You made a mistake. Texas is way too powerful in the game, bonus-wise. Only about 70,000 Texans served in the war, it's cotton crop was useless because of the Union Blockade, and really no major battles were fought there. And after the Union gained control of the Mississippi, they couldn't really supply the rest of the Confederacy. Do what you want, but in my opinion Texas is too powerful. You have to remember it was very big geographically, but Texas didn't have a large population.
US Civil War Map: 12/27/2015 20:34:15


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This wasn't a mistake, and I purposefully de-valued Texas from what it would be if I had scaled it's value up based on it's size. For example, the Territories are much larger in Texas than anywhere else, as well as having bonuses with more territories in them to make them harder to hold. On top of all this, the state bonus is only worth 6, compared to say New York which was a very populous state at the time, and has a bonus of 5. This is despite the fact that Texas is five times larger than New York, and if i was going by area alone and making each territory the same size, it would be worth 25 or 26.
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