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Star Wars Episode VII (Spoiler alert!!!): 12/19/2015 10:25:32


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Warning! This thread may contain spoilers from the movie 'Star Wars VII, the force awakens', if you did not watched it yet, please go away!


Just went to the theater yesterday for Star Wars VII, as a fan of the Star Wars Universe, I would say it was a good movie, but still in my opinion many things werent clear enough or were missing.

Before I give you more details about my thoughts, I would like to know what was your own opinion (again only for people that already fully watched the last Star Wars movie).
Star Wars Episode VII (Spoiler alert!!!): 12/19/2015 15:20:46


shyb
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this movie is better

Star Wars Episode VII (Spoiler alert!!!): 12/19/2015 21:34:53


Angry Koala
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yep the Schwartz force is stronk here!!
Star Wars Episode VII (Spoiler alert!!!): 12/19/2015 21:50:47


MightySpeck (a Koala) 
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I feel like we Are supposed to feel that Rae (or however you spell it) is Luke's daughter. But that means that Luke would of had a wife, or at least someone to have a child with. But Luke was alone at the end of the movie. I think that Kylo also killed Luke's wife when he killed the other Jedi in training. Also this makes Luke's reason to want to be alone make more sense, as his nephew (Kylo) killed everyone he loved except for Han and Leia... Well now just Leia.

More ideas will come later. This is the one that comes to mind now.

Edited 12/19/2015 21:51:44
Star Wars Episode VII (Spoiler alert!!!): 12/19/2015 21:53:05


MightySpeck (a Koala) 
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Is that space balls shyb?
Star Wars Episode VII (Spoiler alert!!!): 12/19/2015 22:04:24


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Not sure about Rey (I think it is spelled that way), she may be a Skywalker, but I hope she is not and would be only some random Jedi girl, or then why are Skywalkers that special??

Well anyway I disliked the way Ben Solo is killing his father without any remorse and turned Sith that easy (I mean compared to Anakin, ANakin had good reasons to turn evil, but Ben here seems to be only some butthurt kid), also wtf about the Republic?? I thought they won in the 6th episode when Luke killed the emperor? So why is the resistance still here? wtf are the Sith that strong? Many things are not clear....
Star Wars Episode VII (Spoiler alert!!!): 12/19/2015 22:06:58


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^ The visuals definitely hint toward some sort of connection between Rey and Luke, as does Rey's ability to just intuitively figure out how to use the Force and fight with a lightsaber to the point where she's able to go head-to-head against a Skywalker (Kylo Ren/Ben Solo).

I had the exact opposite issue with exposition- while obviously some things weren't covered (How did Kylo get to the dark side? What exactly is Rey's background? What's up with Poe Dameron? How did C-3PO get a red arm?), it makes sense to leave some of what happened in the past 30 years either up to the audience (like the red arm) or for future movies (how did Kylo turn?). But the sort of stuff that this movie did cover was more or less shoved down viewers' throats- Hux gave a speech about Starkiller Base to the First Order. It was clearly the movie trying to feed some basic plot details to the audience, because the First Order doesn't need to know the backstory on the New Republic, First Order, or Starkiller Base (instead, they might be more interested in knowing how they're going to keep Starkiller Base from blowing up like every superweapon of the same caliber before it)- I'm surprised a stormtrooper didn't just look at Hux and ask him why he was telling them about all this when they should've already been familiar with those aspects of the story.

Also, Captain Phasma giving up so easily- lowering the shields to what's essentially the beating heart of her organization instead of laying down her life for it- just made that character a really weak villain.

Kylo being able to manipulate energy (e.g., stop blaster fire) using the Force is also a stupid idea because now the Jedi and Sith are basically gods.

or then why are Skywalkers that special??


The Skywalkers (descended from Anakin) are basically a magical Jesus dynasty. Anakin was more or less the product of a virgin birth, literally conceived by the Force (likely in response to an attempt by Sidious and Plagueis to create life) in order to bring back balance (i.e., the Force was probably pissed at the Sith's attempt to manipulate it that way) to the Force. This entire family consists of incredibly powerful Force sensitives deeply connected to the Force by their very existence. That's why they're special- because the Force literally made them to be special. They're basically gods.

We also don't know Ben's reasons for turning evil. I suspect that will be revealed in Episode 8, but it definitely has to do something with his ambition for becoming Vader and "correcting" Vader's "mistake" of not killing Luke (partly by killing Luke himself).

Ben sees himself as the good guy and thinks what he's doing is necessary for some greater purpose- he also didn't kill Han because he's that evil but because he's struggling with the light and the dark inside of him and thought that eliminating his connection to Han Solo (the last thing tethering him to the light side) would help him resolve that conflict. He did it because he thought it was necessary, kind of like how he struck his wound during the battle with Rey- because he wanted to push himself toward the dark side. He's not dark yet, just very close to it.

I thought they won in the 6th episode when Luke killed the emperor?


This was covered in the movie. The Republic is the largest government of the galaxy and the Resistance is a militant force backed by the Republic (so they're not the Rebellion anymore) fighting against the last dregs of the Empire (e.g., the First Order). There's still some remnants of the Empire (it wasn't that easy to destroy, after all, after controlling the whole galaxy). Likely, they're some people that found Snoke (Sidious had some people stationed out near the Unknown Regions because he was noticing some powerful dark side being in that region and wanted to know what it was; I'm going to guess that was Snoke) and are now trying to restore an Empire-like structure under him (and bring back the Sith).

Also, Luke didn't kill the Emperor. Vader did.

wtf are the Sith that strong?


Snoke is probably what made Sidious shit his pants to the point that he told his army to keep looking for whatever was in the Unknown Regions even after he dies (the First Order is coming back from the Unknown Regions... with Snoke). Snoke is probably ridiculously overpowered or has some strong Force aura about him.

But I'm not sure why they made Kylo that strong- I mean, he's a Skywalker, but the new Force abilities might be way too much.

Edited 12/19/2015 22:17:33
Star Wars Episode VII (Spoiler alert!!!): 12/19/2015 22:45:23


MightySpeck (a Koala) 
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Another fact that makes it seem Rey (just confirmed it on google) is Luke's daughter, is when she picks up Luke's light saber she gets flashed with a bunch of memories that seem to be all about Luke, one of which was Rey's family leaving her.

Also to comment about the plasma stopping thing, Kylo probably wanted to show how strong he is (cus sith can't do that enough) also since he probably had to use all of his strength to do that a force user probably wouldn't use it in battle as it would leave them vulnerable.

Also I don't think you could call the republic was the biggest as the empire destroyed only like seven (not to sure how many) planets.

(( I confirmed the name on Google))

Edited 12/19/2015 22:46:03
Star Wars Episode VII (Spoiler alert!!!): 12/19/2015 23:01:53


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Also to comment about the plasma stopping thing, Kylo probably wanted to show how strong he is (cus sith can't do that enough) also since he probably had to use all of his strength to do that a force user probably wouldn't use it in battle as it would leave them vulnerable.


Hopefully something along those lines, but even then it seems like way too much because it threatens even the supremacy of lightsabers and makes Force users near-invincible.

Also I don't think you could call the republic was the biggest as the empire destroyed only like seven (not to sure how many) planets.


You mean the Hosnian system destroyed by the First Order? That's just the seat of the Republic- so they took out the government. It's like the new Coruscant (the Republic moves around its government every few years, so it's not as significant as if Coruscant itself had been destroyed; just Hosnia Prime).

The Republic has tens of thousands of star systems under its governance at the moment- according to canon material, after the Death Star 2 blew up, the Republic rapidly gained traction. Basically it went:

Few rebel cells -> organized rebellion (founded by Bail Organa, etc.) -> Battle of Yavin/Death Star blows up -> 1000s of planets and star systems openly join the Rebel Alliance -> Death Star 2 blows up -> another large chunk of the Galaxy joins the Rebel Alliance -> New Republic organized -> Empire and Republic engage in battle -> Battle of Jakku -> Empire is basically destroyed, Republic controls most of the Galaxy although it still faces threats from organizations like the First Order

It's not quite back to the same place as the thosuand-year Galactic Republic, but it's the most powerful state-like entity right now.

Another fact that makes it seem Rey (just confirmed it on google) is Luke's daughter, is when she picks up Luke's light saber she gets flashed with a bunch of memories that seem to be all about Luke, one of which was Rey's family leaving her.


My guess for the overall narrative is this:

Sith try to create life -> Force doesn't like it -> Anakin Skywalker born and Skywalker dynasty created to restore balance to the Force -> Anakin destroys the stagnant Jedi -> Anakin and Luke destroy the corrupt Sith -> Luke and Kylo accidentally restore the Sith -> Rey restores the Jedi

I think the third trilogy is about the balance to the Force being fully restored with both the Jedi and the Sith returning. It wouldn't make sense for the Sith to be totally wiped out and the Jedi in charge (that's what partly led to the imbalance during the Galactic Republic) and obviously not the other way around (unless they want to make a fourth trilogy). I think this time we'll actually get some closure.
Star Wars Episode VII (Spoiler alert!!!): 12/19/2015 23:17:43


MightySpeck (a Koala) 
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Ahh. Don't know much about the already established canon.

Also we might as well take Kylo stopping the blaster bullet as North Korea propaganda.

Ooo, what do you guys think Rey's light saber will be?

she could just uses Luke's ... Which would be lame. But I guess it is an option

But if she actually makes her own that would be a lot more interesting! Since she has that pole thing I can see it being a saber like Darth Mole's (sorry if I spelt it wrong) or a saber that has a long metal part and then very short laser beams at the end. (I think this already exists)
Star Wars Episode VII (Spoiler alert!!!): 12/19/2015 23:19:41


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Do you guys think Fin will become a Jedi?
Star Wars Episode VII (Spoiler alert!!!): 12/19/2015 23:22:01


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Ooo, what do you guys think Rey's light saber will be?


Blue or green. :P It depends on the Kyber crystal she uses.

Probably normal. The Jedi don't really do fancy stuff. The Sith are the ones that try to go over the top to demonstrate their power- they're very self-centered and also don't get immortality (yes, immortality) like the Jedi so they focus very heavily on gaining and showing off power while they're alive. Hence the fancy Sith sabers (Kylo, Maul, etc.) and the relatively plain Jedi sabers.

Do you guys think Fin will become a Jedi?


Nah. He's not Force-sensitive, so he can't.
Star Wars Episode VII (Spoiler alert!!!): 12/20/2015 01:08:56


MightySpeck (a Koala) 
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I dunno, I know that's how the order did it but we're dealing with a girl trained by a guy trained by a crazy old guy.

I don't think the point that Jedi normally just do normal lightsabers will get to Rey. But now that I think about it. Would Luke even know where to get new lightsabers? Well I guess Kylo had to get his saber from somewhere.
Star Wars Episode VII (Spoiler alert!!!): 12/20/2015 01:12:47


MightySpeck (a Koala) 
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Also how do we know if fin is force sensitive?
Star Wars Episode VII (Spoiler alert!!!): 12/20/2015 08:28:15


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Nope, we do not actually know if Fin is force sensitive or not, this is pure speculation.
Some people discover they are force sensitive later not necessarily when they are young, or they need someone to "awake" their powers.

Yeah, I also share your opinion about Rey who might be Luke's daughter, as some hints may give us some indications.
But nothing is sure, and seriously I would rather prefer she was not a Skywalker, as it seems that in the Star Wars galaxy, only the Skywalker family seems to have the weirdo ones, which is quite unrealistic unless they want to make this movie a giant family scene with children fighting everytime.
Well I know they are special (Anakin was said to be the "chosen one", quite like a messiah born without a father like Jesus ahah), but they should add some more pro/antagonists who are not Skywalker people.

Do you know or have any theory about who is this giant evil Snoke guy? Some people speculated it could be Darth Plagueis, the former master of Darth Sidious/Palpatine...

Edited 12/20/2015 08:31:07
Star Wars Episode VII (Spoiler alert!!!): 12/20/2015 09:17:40


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I guess it's not him. He looks like Darth Plagueis but based on the book he was killed by Palpatine many years ago.
Star Wars Episode VII (Spoiler alert!!!): 12/20/2015 16:29:45


MightySpeck (a Koala) 
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it is probably jar jar.
Star Wars Episode VII (Spoiler alert!!!): 12/21/2015 08:53:34


Angry Koala
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Darth darth binks*
Star Wars Episode VII (Spoiler alert!!!): 12/21/2015 16:22:25


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Great film, but too similar to the 4th. New super Death Star gets destroyed all too quickly and easily. Would have liked more storyline on the First Order, how they came from being remnants of the Empire into a superpower with their own star destroyers and a much larger Death Star than the old Empire could build at its might. How Rey goes from zero in the force to being able to survive Kylo Ren's mind rape and wield a lightsaber is also a mystery.

Edited 12/21/2015 16:23:30
Star Wars Episode VII (Spoiler alert!!!): 12/21/2015 20:54:07


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Nope, we do not actually know if Fin is force sensitive or not, this is pure speculation.


We had a lightsaber duel between Finn and Kylo that more or less confirmed it. Force sensitives are capable of actual lightsaber combat.

I'm 99% sure Snoke is the new characte they introduced in Aftermath, the one who cast a shadow on the Force so dark and heavy Palpatine went searching for him. It'd be cool if he's a Valkorion-type figure.

Edited 12/21/2015 20:55:30
Star Wars Episode VII (Spoiler alert!!!): 12/21/2015 21:09:38


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My problems/questions

1. Jakku is pretty much Tatooine. sandy planet focused around small villages.. shady people trading. Perhaps if they made Jakku a bit more modernized I would accept it.
2. Are the "portions" food? How does anyone make a profit if they sell dehydrated sheets of meatloaf (it looks like that)
3. What was so important about the blaster Han gave Rey?
4. I know Finn is supposed to be some "special" stormtrooper, but how often do stormtroopers go turncoat? And with an army that large, why do they need female troopers and officers?
5. Finn felt a bit too modern
6. So the map piece they have, they can't make it out. However, there's an orange pathway going through it. And it's on the rest of the map. Doesn't anyone have a map of the galaxy and be like "OK, so the orange path is this way. These stars aren't in the map R2 is giving us, let's look there!"
7. Really? A "super" death star? I mean, it looked cool, but still.
8. Unnecessary bad guy who acts like Thanos. Really. He sits in a chair and is some major bad guy, and he has some evil plan for the next movie...
9. How did the First order get Vader's mask? Either Luke left it on the Death Star, or it was burned on Endor.
10. The lizard squid things felt pointless...
11. Kylo Ren looks iffy when his mask is off.
12. There wasn't that big a celebration, when they just destroyed a machine bigger and more powerful than either death star.
13. Despite its smaller size, could the Death Star still blow up the new giant machine's planet?
Star Wars Episode VII (Spoiler alert!!!): 12/21/2015 21:29:16


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We had a light saber duel between Finn and Kylo that more or less confirmed it. Force sensitives are capable of actual light saber combat.


True, but he was already trained with a similar weapon shown by the stormtroopers that he duelled against so he would have had some understanding of the martial concept of it.
Star Wars Episode VII (Spoiler alert!!!): 12/21/2015 22:09:32


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(should be noted i am a expert of nothing)


1. Jakku is pretty much Tatooine. sandy planet focused around small villages.. shady people trading. Perhaps if they made Jakku a bit more modernized I would accept it.

yeah ... obviously they couldn't think of any new planet types.

2. Are the "portions" food? How does anyone make a profit if they sell dehydrated sheets of meatloaf (it looks like that)

Yeah. basically the dude had a monopoly on the food, so if the people wanted to get food they would have to trade it for him. It's kinda like how people used to trade food as currency.

3. What was so important about the blaster Han gave Rey?

Han gave a girl that hasn't shot anything before a gun. Would you feel conformable giving a girl, that has never held a gun before, a gun?

4. I know Finn is supposed to be some "special" stormtrooper, but how often do stormtroopers go turncoat? And with an army that large, why do they need female troopers and officers?

Not that often. Basically they take babies, program (yes that is the word the used) them to become stormtroopers, and send them out. For some reason Finn gets morals because his comrade wiped their blood on his mask. And i don't think they would care if the babies were male or not.

5. Finn felt a bit too modern

I don't even know what you mean.

6. So the map piece they have, they can't make it out. However, there's an orange pathway going through it. And it's on the rest of the map. Doesn't anyone have a map of the galaxy and be like "OK, so the orange path is this way. These stars aren't in the map R2 is giving us, let's look there!"

Yeah i didn't really get this either. I defiantly remember one of the resistance members saying they ran it but it didn't come up with anything. idk, I just went with it.

7. Really? A "super" death star? I mean, it looked cool, but still.

Yeah! this way there are less planets in the galaxy!

8. Unnecessary bad guy who acts like Thanos. Really. He sits in a chair and is some major bad guy, and he has some evil plan for the next movie...

Sounds like they were setting up the next movies.

9. How did the First order get Vader's mask? Either Luke left it on the Death Star, or it was burned on Endor.

Probably went and found it in Endor, since he looks up to him

10. The lizard squid things felt pointless...

Comical relief? Probably just filler.

11. Kylo Ren looks iffy when his mask is off.

I hope he cuts his hair. Like how does he fit it all in that mask?

12. There wasn't that big a celebration, when they just destroyed a machine bigger and more powerful than either death star.

Probably was, Rey was just like Peace i'm gonna go find Luke now.

13. Despite its smaller size, could the Death Star still blow up the new giant machine's planet?

I don't see why not. It seems the only thing this thing did that the death star didn't is it could do multiple plants :D.
Star Wars Episode VII (Spoiler alert!!!): 12/23/2015 16:47:24


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I felt like Rylo, Fin, and Rey were all way too over-powered.
Like When Rey says that Rylo is afraid that he won't be as powerful as Darth Vader was, but it seemed like he already was.
Star Wars Episode VII (Spoiler alert!!!): 12/23/2015 19:39:21


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Big thing about Snoke. He only appeared as a hologram. Pay no attention to that Gungan behind the curtain!

Also wasn't the rest of the map (with the orange pathway on it) only in R2D2's memory? And didn't they say R2D2 has been in a shutdown since Luke left? That would explain why they couldn't find him. All they had was a piece of a map, and they couldn't figure out what part of space that piece was.

12. There wasn't that big a celebration, when they just destroyed a machine bigger and more powerful than either death star


I mean, they lost their leader's husband and their ENTIRE supporting government. Kinda puts a damper on the celebration.

Edited 12/23/2015 19:46:13
Star Wars Episode VII (Spoiler alert!!!): 12/23/2015 21:45:38


Lord of Turnips
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They also lost half of their pilots.
Star Wars Episode VII (Spoiler alert!!!): 12/23/2015 23:00:34


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That was amazing !
Star Wars Episode VII (Spoiler alert!!!): 12/24/2015 00:45:57


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I think Han survived but that's just me,
Star Wars Episode VII (Spoiler alert!!!): 12/24/2015 01:01:51


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I think Han survived but that's just me


As his death isn`t confirmed in the movie, he could be.
Although it does seem that he is very dead (remember that the planet he was on exploded)
Star Wars Episode VII (Spoiler alert!!!): 12/24/2015 01:42:58


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Well there was plenty enough time for a duel, and a rescue mission from chewie. Which means there was plenty of time for a pickup.
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