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A Poll on CLOT creation: 12/23/2015 16:22:42


Benjamin628 
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I am planning on making a CLOT in the coming months, so I would like to know what I should do:

What template(s) should I use?

http://strawpoll.me/6346591

RT or MD - Please note that RT CLOTs have almost never worked, but that may change soon.

http://strawpoll.me/6346599
A Poll on CLOT creation: 12/23/2015 16:38:22


(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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I believe we should do some fundamentally different ones:
Congo 1v1 Ladder and Congo 2v2 Ladder.
I believe Wasteland Style should become a part of the mainstream.

Edited 12/23/2015 16:38:48
A Poll on CLOT creation: 12/23/2015 16:42:27


Benjamin628 
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I don't think it's nearly strategic enough to be a part of mainstream
A Poll on CLOT creation: 12/23/2015 16:45:32


(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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@Benjamin628 It is very strategic, just very different. It requires different skills. It is at least a valid variant. I invite you to participate in our Congo games..:-)

I will do Wasteland Style CLOT if nobody else is willing to do that..

Edited 12/23/2015 16:46:08
A Poll on CLOT creation: 12/23/2015 16:48:06


Benjamin628 
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Invite me to a game on it.
A Poll on CLOT creation: 12/23/2015 16:52:15


ChrisCMU 
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wasn't there already a random template one that someone did not long ago? motd?

What we really need is a random teams one. That would be unique. Not sure a china or guiroma one would generate huge interest.

Another good clot would be a better 2v2 ladder on an earth based map...since he'll never use rome/chine for the ladder (old template or improvement on current ladder template, like more picks). It may force Fizzer to change the ladder if it became popular.
A Poll on CLOT creation: 12/23/2015 16:55:01


(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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@Benjamin628 I will.:-)
Let's do n v n with n not greater than 5.
A Poll on CLOT creation: 12/23/2015 16:55:20


Benjamin628 
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^ Well random teams would be a Dog to set up if it were not real-time. Also, the random template RT Ladder failed, because no games would ever finish on it.

Someone is currently working on something that would allow RT CLOT Ladders to succeed, you'll find out soon :)

Edit: @Chris

@Tabby how about a 1v1 :P

Edited 12/23/2015 16:55:58
A Poll on CLOT creation: 12/23/2015 16:58:49


(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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@Benjamin628 I'm Level 29 and nowhere as experienced as you. Please take your favorite teammate and I will take mine.

Edited 12/23/2015 16:59:29
A Poll on CLOT creation: 12/23/2015 17:26:26


Benjamin628 
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Can we end talk about that template for now? I am focused on deciding what to do for the CLOT.

If China/Guiroma are selected, it will be either MD or RT.

If Europe 3v3 is selected, it will be RT for sure, and I will be using 4x4 SR only, because it is far superior to 4x5 WR in my opinion.

If Rotating Template is selected, it will definitely be MD, and I will use the following templates most likely:

Battle Islands
Battle Islands MA
China
EA&O LFD
Europe LFD
French Brawl
Georgia Army Cap
Greece 
Greece LLFD
Guiroma
Guiroma LD
MME LD
Macedonia 
Poland
Snow Mountains
Strat ME WR
Strat MME SR
Treasure Map
Turkey
A Poll on CLOT creation: 12/23/2015 17:48:10


ChrisCMU 
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I still think your best bet (outside the random team MD) would be a 2v2 Ladder replacement.

Either use the old ladder template (with %0 WR or %0 SR). Or use the current Final Earth one and improve it with extra picks, etc. That has the best shot of making an impact on WL community because if popular, could get Fizzer to update the current 2v2 ladder and make it good again.


random template would be cool, but I've never even played a half dozen plus of those, so not sure I totally agree with that list...but that is a trivial matter (could be worked out with some help from a panel). What would be really nice is a system like Starcraft does. You could thumbs down a certain percentage of the templates (like 2 or 3 perhaps). Then if the CLOT matches you with a player, it will only create a matchup on templates both players have not given a thumbs down. It also gives the CLOT dev feedback on templates people don't like, so you can update the list as desired.

RT CLOTs are a waste IMO. If it is not an actual ladder on WL, your participation will just fade (people will stop playing).

Edited 12/23/2015 17:51:10
A Poll on CLOT creation: 12/23/2015 17:50:48


master of desaster 
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A new rt ladder would be very cool. However, this wouldn't work due to lack of participation. I'd definitely make it MD. rotating teammates would be great
A Poll on CLOT creation: 12/23/2015 18:29:27

awesomeusername
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Random teammates does sound super cool, I'd like to get the chance to learn from better players. I can see how that would be difficult though.

Also @Ben & Tabby: I'd be interested in checking out wasteland style if you still need a player.
A Poll on CLOT creation: 12/23/2015 18:46:13


Benjamin628 
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With an improvement that will happen in the future, it is likely that RT Clots will last longer, maybe even be sustainable. I am not/cannot reveal(ing) any secrets, so just know, RT CLOTs are getting a boost soon.
A Poll on CLOT creation: 12/23/2015 19:01:11


Onoma94
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Official RT Ladder is already random templates, but... too random ones, I'd say. So ladder w/ random templates I like would be great. :p
A Poll on CLOT creation: 12/23/2015 19:13:08


Nogals
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China FTW
A Poll on CLOT creation: 12/23/2015 19:22:40


Benjamin628 
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Looks like Multi-Day Rotating 1v1 Ladder is going to win. I am going to officially end the results at midnight, and I am already beginning work.
A Poll on CLOT creation: 12/23/2015 20:03:24


ChrisCMU 
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My Comments on your template ideas...

No Brainers:
Battle Islands, Greece, Guiroma, Strat ME WR, Strat MME SR, Turkey

Seems good (have not played them enough to say for sure they are good):
French Brawl, Snow Mountains, Poland, Treasure Map, China

Have not played enough/at all to judge:
Battle Islands MA, EA&O LFD, Europe LFD, Georgia Army Cap, Greece LLFD, Guiroma LD, Macedonia

Did not like:
MME LD (I am assuming seasonal template from a few back. If so, the games took too long moving stacks, need airlift or something to help end games)


Like my MME LD comments, I would be leery of any LD without testing it out first. That seasonal one the games were too prolonged from LD ferrying troops all day.

I am still tweaking my Succession Wars LD, but this game seems to be playing well: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=10064677
A Poll on CLOT creation: 12/23/2015 20:21:12


Benjamin628 
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Alright, well I am bored today :P so I am gathering templates together. I am just gonna end the poll, looks like I'm going to attempt to create a randomized template CLOT.

I like to use variable names to simplify things:


All of these must be multi-day with 3 day boot, if you can gather template IDs for me, that would be great.
ea&olfd = 686992
frenchbrawl = 761200
guiroma = 728645
greecellfd = 742004
treasuremap = 771770
stratmewr = 723530
stratmmesr = 734876

Templates Left:

Battle Islands
Battle Islands MA
China
Europe LFD
Georgia Army Cap
Greece 
Guiroma LD
MME LD
Macedonia 
Poland
Snow Mountains
Turkey


Edited 12/23/2015 20:22:52
A Poll on CLOT creation: 12/23/2015 20:27:41


Buns157 
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A Poll on CLOT creation: 12/23/2015 20:33:42


Benjamin628 
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Nah, they are all Qi versions :P

Template Library:

battleislands = 681478
china = 772345
eaolfd = 686992
europelfd = 681390
frenchbrawl = 761200
georgiaarmycap = 772344
guiroma = 728645
greece = 700272
greecellfd = 742004
poland = 772346
snowmountains = 582955
stratmewr = 723530
stratmmesr = 734876
treasuremap = 771770

"""Ones Missing
Battle Islands MA
Guiroma LD
MME LD
Macedonia 
Turkey"""


Edited 12/23/2015 20:49:42
A Poll on CLOT creation: 12/23/2015 20:52:25


ChrisCMU 
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I suggest pulling them from Clan League 7 (if we are using them there).
A Poll on CLOT creation: 12/24/2015 04:42:00


Benjamin628 
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This is cool :P

Thanks a lot MotD for helping a noob go through this.

None of this is final, but here's a sneak peak.

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