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Well I might as well say it....: 12/29/2015 01:02:21


[WOLF] The Conservative
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Recently, I have come into disagreement with AOE on their new constitution and how it works. It looks strangely like a repeat of the falcons to me and I cannot sit and watch my creation die like that. So, what clan is best for me? I would like to explore my horizons and see new ideas and forums.
Well I might as well say it....: 12/29/2015 01:05:56


SirSalty
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Corp or juggs
Well I might as well say it....: 12/29/2015 01:19:07

Luna {TJC}
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What happened with the falcons again? I know they have/had a long and relatively pointless constitution; is this what AOE doing?
Well I might as well say it....: 12/29/2015 01:21:52


Apollo
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Conservative please look at your forum post which i replied to, then we can mail for further discussion
Well I might as well say it....: 12/29/2015 01:46:13


DomCobb
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If it is the one posted in the HCA, then I would say it isn't Colonel-level large.
You're not there yet.

Genghis,
A long time ago, Colonel went constitution crazy. We would have a new 100 law constitution pretty frequently, and he went on witch hunts putting everyone on trial. Eventually, as he started to go crazy against everyone, the clan overwhelmingly voted to kick him out of the clan. The interim clan leaders were ineffective, and a lack of activity ensued. Colonel came back, instituted new elections, and nothing much changed. He ruined our reputation with harsh comments, and eventually Cade kicked him out. As Colonel left, he refused to play in any of the RP League matches.
Well I might as well say it....: 12/29/2015 01:47:20


[AOE] JaiBharat909
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I have just resigned as Leader of AOE (although not because of the constitution...I was planning this for several weeks). Here is a link of the new constitution: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wiMq93OoMfcirJFXb81lYKuPuikx4ylBBlgHs-ONHYU/edit?pref=2&pli=1
Well I might as well say it....: 12/29/2015 02:24:26


DomCobb
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Well, our old 124 clause Constitution was inefficient and had too many symbolic measures.
Ex. Minting of coins
Well I might as well say it....: 12/29/2015 03:20:40

Luna {TJC}
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^ haha sounds interesting but very unpractical. Do you have a link to it?
Well I might as well say it....: 12/29/2015 03:28:44


SirSalty
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It looks like the Jedi and the Falcons had a baby and wallaha AOE was born.
Well I might as well say it....: 12/29/2015 03:32:02


Trixie Lulamoon
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You know one problem with the Old Constitution is that the link for it never worked for me so that's something
Well I might as well say it....: 12/29/2015 03:34:57


Master Potato
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Apex or GG.
Well I might as well say it....: 12/29/2015 03:41:25


[WOLF] The Conservative
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Sirsalty frankly that's insulting. AOE is completely different
Well I might as well say it....: 12/29/2015 03:44:12


SirSalty
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Why don't you cry about it.....you already seemed to have started.
Well I might as well say it....: 12/29/2015 03:45:26


[WOLF] The Conservative
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.....?
Well I might as well say it....: 12/29/2015 03:55:17

HomeLess
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what is the difference between your own constitution and Jwilly's new one? the only real change that I saw was that in yours the manager rights are constantly held by a "head proctor" and in his it changes hands during each democratic election. other than that I didn't see any major differences between your two "constitutions".
Well I might as well say it....: 12/29/2015 04:00:04


[WOLF] The Conservative
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His is more Complicated ( in my opinion ) and if power and MR is changing hands constantly it's always dangerous.
Well I might as well say it....: 12/29/2015 04:06:48

HomeLess
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yet ironically you claim to be a champion of democracy. if you are not willing to part with manager rights then perhaps you should stop falsely advertising yourself as warlight's only democratic clan. I think I wrote about this a while ago about the ironies of your clan yet you never responded to my points :(
Well I might as well say it....: 12/29/2015 04:18:57


[WOLF] The Conservative
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What are you talking about? Lol I don't have MR rights and I resigned at the height of the clans growth movement. I have never claimed to the be the champion of democracy? Wtf are you talking about? What's so ironic?
Well I might as well say it....: 12/29/2015 04:47:19


Zephyrum 
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He didn't have manager rights indeed, so it's not because he feels sad for being demoted or anything.

Still, homeless has one bit of a point here - that's the price of democracy. Those things happen, and drama comes along. We tried, the falcons tried, everything went sort of the same way. Eventually, someone disagrees with everyone else. Unlike a country however, people can leave WarLight clans. And when people leave, drama says hi and the shit hits the fan.

In the Wolves, it's pretty much what happened with Shyb.

~

EDIT: I just checked AOE's forums. It's pretty much what heppened when Shyb left the Wolves. Same thing going on. Drama ensuing, some people going "oh-oh", some others trying to prevent change, some others saying "calm down everyone" and some just hoping for the ideas to be ditched before the madness continues.

Here is the biggest difference between a country and a clan, and here's where democracy gets badly hit.

Edited 12/29/2015 04:51:49
Well I might as well say it....: 12/29/2015 04:52:29


[WOLF] The Conservative
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My form I thought worked. I guess it just hurts to see my ideas rejected :). Well, I sincerely hope their version works
Well I might as well say it....: 12/29/2015 05:05:19


SirSalty
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The Falcons fell....all AOE needs is there own colonel.
Well I might as well say it....: 12/29/2015 05:23:42


j willy 47
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In my defense, I pretty much just clarified a few things and got rid of the whole cap capitalizing of every word thing. IMO Conservative is a little bitter that he wasn't made head of the clan, and he's lashing out a bit.
Well I might as well say it....: 12/29/2015 05:26:35


Zephyrum 
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rid of the whole cap capitalizing of every word


As someone with an OCD, I must say this was the most important difference between the megawalls of text I haven't read and don't plan on :P

IMO Conservative is a little bitter that he wasn't made head of the clan, and he's lashing out a bit.


Might be, he's pretty dramatic at times, but it seems to me it's more of a dream being crushed. As far as I know, he's been holding that huge constitution for a while and according to himself, he suggested it to basically every clan he's been on to implement it. Everyone refused, so when AOE used it, he just felt like he finally managed to put an use to his text and was proud. Now you're pretty much running over his dreamland with a tractor :P
Well I might as well say it....: 12/29/2015 05:33:14


[WOLF] The Conservative
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I'm certainly not power hungry, anyone who knew my term as HP In AOE will tell you that. It is like my dream was crushed but I certainly think it worked. Did we succeeded in holding fair elections? Yes. Did we abide by the constitution? Yes. Did we have a billion unuseful laws? No. My constitution was simple and direct. It by far wasn't a repeat of colonel
Well I might as well say it....: 12/29/2015 05:34:28


[WOLF] The Conservative
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Excuse me Willy? Jai already said I was going to be made clan head for goodness sake. He told you that! I left because I didn't agree with the new constitution
Well I might as well say it....: 12/29/2015 05:35:41


[WOLF] The Conservative
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And for God's sake it's not huge! It's relatively small compared to others
Well I might as well say it....: 12/29/2015 05:38:36


[FCC] Aura Guardian
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I am pretty sure you are probably looking for a more developed clan, but I am currently working hard to restructure and redevelop a clan that has gone through many rises and falls over the years. Now, after waiting patiently, I finally got my opportunity to take the lead with my clan. Currently, I am working to find and elect leaders to the positions within the clan, which have been held vacant for far too long. Also, considering the high amount of variability that happens, with accounts coming and going, people leaving warlight to only come back months or even years later, or to never come back at all, with a constant infusion of fresh new accounts who have never played the game before, this clan will run elections for its positions every six months, giving everyone within the clan the opportunity to try to take a leadership position if they want to. Its a project, but I hope that one day this clan will be well known on the forums of Warlight.

My clan is called the Fifth Column Confederation, and I hope you consider it. It was once one of the original clans in Warlight, and I wish to bring it back to its former glory.

Thanks for your consideration!
-Aura Guardian

Link-
https://www.warlight.net/Clans/?ID=17

Edited 12/29/2015 05:40:21
Well I might as well say it....: 12/29/2015 05:40:00


[Wolf] Relmcheatham
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Conservative, this pointless bickering shows just how humble you are, and it show cases the reasons why you should not be at the helm of AOE for the present.
Well I might as well say it....: 12/29/2015 05:40:23

wct
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... that's the price of democracy. Those things happen, and drama comes along. We tried, the falcons tried, everything went sort of the same way. Eventually, someone disagrees with everyone else. Unlike a country however, people can leave WarLight clans. And when people leave, drama says hi and the shit hits the fan.
...
Same thing going on. Drama ensuing, some people going "oh-oh", some others trying to prevent change, some others saying "calm down everyone" and some just hoping for the ideas to be ditched before the madness continues.

Here is the biggest difference between a country and a clan, and here's where democracy gets badly hit.

Hi Zephyrum, I'm interested in this, but I don't know enough about what happened (in either case) to understand the points you're making. You seem to have some ideas about pitfalls/price of democracy in these kinds of online groups; that's what I'm interested in. Especially your last comment about the difference between a country and a clan. What has been going on in these clan dust-ups, maybe in a tiny bit more detail, so those of us out-of-the-loop can get an idea? And how does it show 'where democracy gets badly hit'? Thanks in advance. :-)
Well I might as well say it....: 12/29/2015 05:44:39


[WOLF] The Conservative
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Oh god relm seriously? I'm venting!! People can vent. You have an alt in AOE so you dam well know this isn't about me having power.
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