That doesn't change the existing border :P

The worse civilization of all time, in my opinion, is India.

F***ing Gandhi and his nukes.

And those gang rapes. And that atrocious English accent.

Islam: Womens rights in general, Jew-hating and various other persecution, ISIS, other terrorists, destroyed Persia and pretty much Byzantines, massacred/absorbed indeginous groups in Africa and Middle East, monopolizatiopn of holy sites, conflict with Hindus, Buddhists, and everyone else (note: not saying West hasn't done fucked up shit, but no one had mentioned Islam yet).

That's a pretty vague criticism, General. Subsuming indigenous groups and persecuting people can be laid at the feet of every civilization.

1- Islam in itself has plenty of women's rights; it's patriarchic societies (Arabs, Indians) who twisted it.
2- Hating someone is not evil and I don't recall Muslims particularly persecuting Jews anytime in history.
3- Terrorism wasn't created by Islam. Modern-day terrorism's major cause is the USA's foreign policy in the Middle East in the past decades.
4- Islam didn't destroy Persia or Persian culture, rather Persia absorbed Islam. Islam's a religion, not a culture.
5- Persia and Byzantium had been at each other's throats for centuries. They both were tottering when Islam stepped in to fill the power vacuum.
6- Islam naturally conflicts with Hinduism (nothing evil about that), but yeah Muslims destroyed many pagan temples and idols.

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For 6: Who didn't destroy many pagan temples and idols?

SVY: And those gang rapes.

At least we let women drive and don't execute 47 people.

Not to say rape should be allowed. Indian rapists should be locked up for life...or sent to the front lines with Pakistan to be shot by terrorists.

Islam naturally conflicts with Hinduism

You guys should have stayed beyond the Hindu-Kush.

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That was a Civ 5 reference. Jeez.

But in all honesty, what if Kashmir went independent, so nobody would fight over it, and no side would get it?

Kashmir is dirt poor. It couldn't survive as its own state. In all honesty the people have a better chance at life within Indian sovereignty. India is safer and has better economic opportunities than Pakistan.

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(inb4 Jai stays up all night responding to any India-related stuff on this thread)

@Tchaikovsky: independence wouldn't really work; both India + Pakistan clearly wanted it (enough to fight 3 wars over it- '47, '65, Kargil) and sovereignty didn't really work out for princely states/Hyderabad/etc. In the end, they'd have to choose.

Really, though, I hate how people are getting defensive when this sort of dialogue is critical to cultures' self-improvement. It's a bit chauvinistic to act like the culture you come from is exempt from making mistakes and attempt to justify every little thing it got wrong- Nehru fucked up the economy (not to mention diplomacy/military strategy, especially in the Indo-Chinese war) and is likely responsible for a lot of poverty today, Indira Gandhi was just a couple nanometers away from dictatorship, the caste system took away economic mobility from a lot of people, etc. etc.- acknowledging failures in the past (while remaining appreciative of your actual accomplishments) is how you move forward into the future.

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Philippines:
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lol I was gonna laugh at the person who said "Darth you're retarded if you think the crusades were an economic war. Literally retarded.", but hes a troll, so it's less funny now.

Jai stays up all night responding to any India-related stuff on this thread

Eh not really. I close my computer off by 12:00 PM. That much computer time during the day is unhealthy for anybody!!

It's a bit chauvinistic to act like the culture you come from is exempt from making mistakes and attempt to justify every little thing it got wrong

LOL I hate when you use straw-man knyte because you're way smarter than that!! I never said anywhere (literally try to quote me) that India has never made mistakes. I'll admit one right here: WE ARE SHIT WHEN IT COMES TO WOMEN'S RIGHTS. My temple still forces women into the back (just as an example)...and women aren't allowed to cross into the men's side of the temple either.

Also I like how you note that many if not all of the modern problems attributed to India are due to lasting residual effects of Gandhi-Indian National Congress policies. With BJP in power (and hopefully for many more election cycles) Achhe din aane waale hain (good days will come).

acknowledging failures in the past

I couldn't agree more...but more off than not all you seem to care about is shitting on India without acknowledging any of its achievement (which I apologize but I have little toleration for). If I had to guess you seem ashamed of being Indian (just my perception, although it may not be true)...which is really sad because so many Indian-American youths have left their cultural identity in the trashcan to adopt America's standards, moralities, and ways-of-living.

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Ahaha, yes Cata, but I would say WW2 also, Hitler used to be Austrian if I am not wrong.

Only because of ONE person?! ._.

Brennos

*Brennus

I say it thrice now.

Any civilization is better than Barbarism.

And frankly, there is only one nation on this earth that is not barbarian.

Hint : it resides within europe

^Lichtenstein.

Nein!

At least we let women drive and don't execute 47 people.

So does 99 percent of the world. Your point? This thread is not a comparison between India and Saudi Arabia.

You guys should have stayed beyond the Hindu Kush.

Completely irrelevant. And of course Muslims first came to India from the sea and the west, not from the northwest.
Touchy, touchy. So anxious to make out India as a saint among nations.

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I don't blame civilisation, just the dictators