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the american voting system is terrible: 1/16/2016 05:15:41


chuck norris
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you can win the election with only 22% of the votes by taking advantage of the electoral college: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wC42HgLA4k
the american voting system is terrible: 1/16/2016 08:33:58


Angry Koala
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True that.

I remember the 2000 presidential election, it was a pure joke, Bush was elected by few % more, but it was actually Al Gore who won, Bush won with the electoral college... Gosh we could have avoided 8 years of Bush, imagine how better the world would have been •__•

Edited 1/16/2016 08:37:24
the american voting system is terrible: 1/16/2016 17:33:17


[WOLF] The Conservative
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as a libertarian I am not a Bush fan but I will say this to you non Americans, you might like to make fun of him and quite frankly there's a lot of stuff to work with on that subject but Bush did something Al Gore and his dam arrogance could never have done; he united us. nobody remembers the Bush who went to all of the families and who had lost loved ones and did not make up some political lie for his own benefit like Clinton or even Gore ( " I made the internet!! " - Al Gore ) no, you know what he said? he said we are gonna find these bastards and beat the living shit out of them for what they did to you. most leaders always try to have an escape route so if they fail they can have something to fall back on. but Bush? no. people say that Obama found Bin Laden and that just pisses me off. it was Bush and his generals who worked 4 years hunting down those terrorists all over the world and then Obama comes in and basically all he had to do was sit in a chair and listen to what his chief of staff had to say. my point is this, Bush was the right man ( in his first term ) for the job and did something nobody else in America could have done. so if Planes ever fly into The Buildings of Paris or any other city, I hope you have someone half as good as George W. Bush to unite you and rebuild your broken country

Edited 1/16/2016 17:34:22
the american voting system is terrible: 1/16/2016 17:38:07


[WOLF] The Conservative
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The Hardcore Conservative, Fan Of Ted Cruz supports the idea that Bush had a hand in it..........
the american voting system is terrible: 1/16/2016 17:57:15


[WOLF] The Conservative
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Oh heck your not even American! Your a joke of a classical liberal
the american voting system is terrible: 1/16/2016 18:25:20


[WOLF] The Conservative
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1 lol the original ideas started in Greece and it was developed in France


You ask why nationality is relevant then you call me Mexican as if it does?
the american voting system is terrible: 1/16/2016 20:09:54


Angry Koala
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Bush (...) did not make up some political lie for his own benefit.


XD XD XD

Thanks conservative, you made my day! ^^
the american voting system is terrible: 1/16/2016 20:37:13


{Canidae} Kretoma
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LOL ^^
the american voting system is terrible: 1/16/2016 20:48:30


[WOLF] The Conservative
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you took it out of context and you know it. btw your not exactly known for the most scandal free political system in the world either XD
the american voting system is terrible: 1/16/2016 20:50:25


{Canidae} Kretoma
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How can you take the "weapons of mass destruction thing" out of context?
Btw, for what system does Koala stand for?

Edited 1/16/2016 20:51:03
the american voting system is terrible: 1/16/2016 20:55:31


Castle Bravo
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American politics effectively died in 1800 when the Federalists lost power.
the american voting system is terrible: 1/16/2016 20:55:38


[WOLF] The Conservative
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I was referring to the French politics and the scandals with it. please, remind me again which President's wife fucked Mick Jagger? lol I always forget there names
the american voting system is terrible: 1/16/2016 21:04:25


Major General Smedley Butler
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Al Gore was probably going to do similar things just less heavy handidly.
the american voting system is terrible: 1/16/2016 21:33:47


Angry Koala
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Conservative, it's true in France we usually have "mœurs légères" (Dont know the correct translation for it in English) about anything related to privacy/sex (fun fact: in the end of the 19th century a French president died of a heart attack while having a blue job by a mistress, I guess you wont find any US president having such incredible death xD). Our current president Hollande is not better, he had 3 women in the same time not so long after he was elected, and Gosh, before Hollande was chosen, DSK (Dominique Strauss Kahn), former director of IMF, was the favorite for the left wing, before this huge sex scandal in New York he had.

But yet even if the Americans are more prudish (yet you forgot to mention Clinton) what is private is in my honest opinion less catastrophic compared to misbehaviors done in public, by public I meant for example the many mistakes and stupidities Bush made, Sarkozy/Hollande/DK are really far from it even if he is far from being an example (and I hate Sarkozy). I hope you get my point.

And something about current Sarkozy's wife (and former first lady of France) Carla Bruni, some rumors existed about a possible relationship between her and Donald Trump, OMG this woman is a f**** whore!
the american voting system is terrible: 1/16/2016 21:34:18


Eklipse {TJC}
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Al Gore was probably going to do similar things just less heavy handidly.

This^. Contrary to popular opinion Bush is not a demon and Al Gore isn't some miracle saint. They're both opposite sides of the same coin.
the american voting system is terrible: 1/16/2016 21:42:00


{Canidae} Kretoma
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The famous choosing between pest and cholera.

"Do you want an elephant or a donkey, man?"
"I want a DRAGON!"
"Sorry, but only two options."
" I will not vote then."
"You undemocratic scum!"

:D
the american voting system is terrible: 1/17/2016 00:51:20


Imperator
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The cited example of winning with only 22% of the vote is fine as The electoral college isn't meant to represent People. This was done on purpose by the founding fathers, who were really freaked out by the idea of a so-called tyranny of the majority that they rejected the idea that Presidents should be elected by popular vote altogether.

Now, it just so happens, that 95% of the time, the president has won the popular vote as well as the Electoral vote. However, this is really just a funny side-effect, since the electoral college was never meant to Elect presidents by popular vote. Instead, it has two purposes in my opinion:

1. To Encourage people to spread out, penalizing large groups of people with the same political alignment who cluster together. This relates to the mentioned vote distribution in the video. If a state has a huge Margin of people who vote exactly the same way, every vote above 50% of the vote is discarded.

2. To encourage Coalition Building. Here is a map of the States you would need to win with 22% of the Popular vote to be elected president:

http://map1.maploco.com/visited-states/ml/AK-AL-AR-AZ-CO-CT-DC-DE-HI-IA-ID-IN-KS-KY-LA-MA-MD-ME-MN-MO-MS-MT-ND-NE-NH-NJ-NM-NV-OK-OR-RI-SC-SD-TN-UT-VA-VT-WI-WV-WY.png

If there is someone who can effectively unite parts of every region of the country, and convince radically different groups of people to all vote for the same candidate, that person deserves to be elected.
the american voting system is terrible: 1/17/2016 01:06:59


Deutschland
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Funny fact it was the Green Party that made Algore lose Florida lolbut anyway it works most of the timeand bush did do some good stuff about Aids and to be far Sadamn Hussain was doing Genocide to the Kurds and had banned Chemical weapons
the american voting system is terrible: 1/17/2016 01:22:10


[AOE] JaiBharat909
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American politics effectively died in 1800 when the Federalists lost power.

Close. It died when the anti-federalists lost the political philosophy and economic competition against Hamiltonian Federalists. That was effectively when we went from a state-empowered federal government to a federal-empowered federal government. Our country would have been much different if nullification and succession theory won.
the american voting system is terrible: 1/17/2016 03:32:21

[wolf]japan77
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Actually, bush did not win the florida popular vote, the supreme court gave it to him.
the american voting system is terrible: 1/17/2016 03:36:55


[AOE] JaiBharat909
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supreme court gave it to him.

Democrats complain when the Supreme Court helps the Republicans. Republicans complain when the Supreme Court helps the Democrats.

Meanwhile the elitists keep winning, the country gets more divided, and people get more fed up. A winning recipe for a national disaster. The supreme court is flawed and always has been flawed. Its not blind justice...its political justice. Maybe 10 years ago the Court was controlled by conservatives. Maybe by 2020 it'll be controlled by liberals. Stop acting like the Supreme Court gives unbiased decisions.
the american voting system is terrible: 1/17/2016 13:06:12


Fleecemaster 
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That's what you get for having a 2 party system... Also USA is too big, no-one over in the EU cares who the EU President is, we just involve ourselves with our own shit in our own country (or maybe that's just because I'm in the UK)

Why don't you guys focus more on your own state?
the american voting system is terrible: 1/17/2016 13:12:39


Lord Varys
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If you think USA is too big, then go think about India.
the american voting system is terrible: 1/17/2016 15:15:10


{Canidae} Kretoma
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India is so big it is small again. ^^
the american voting system is terrible: 1/17/2016 17:11:41


[AOE] JaiBharat909
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That's what you get for having a 2 party system... Also USA is too big

That's why I think the future of American politics is a UK-style multiparty system and perhaps (though this is a big hypothetical) a federation system of regions.

Why don't you guys focus more on your own state?

Because for the last 200 years the Federal Government has been taking power away from the states.

If you think USA is too big, then go think about India.

Geographically smaller than the US, but population wise about 3-4 times bigger than the US. However, Indian states and regional parties have significant power over the federal government.
the american voting system is terrible: 1/17/2016 18:55:09


Angry Koala
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^ Jai I heard there is still one communist state/region/kingdom in India is this true? (I remember it was a French born of Indian origin that told me this)
the american voting system is terrible: 1/17/2016 19:05:22


OxTheAutist 
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Americans, stop trying to defend your bad voting system. Us Europeans can stick our noses into whatever we want.
the american voting system is terrible: 1/17/2016 19:06:24


Genghis 
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In that noble duel between the city and the nation, the city will always come out on top.
the american voting system is terrible: 1/17/2016 19:27:33


chuck norris
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if votes are given to states not people then why are the amount of votes a state gets based on its population?
the american voting system is terrible: 1/17/2016 19:37:48


[AOE] JaiBharat909
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Jai I heard there is still one communist state/region/kingdom in India is this true? (I remember it was a French born of Indian origin that told me this)

There a number of Communist, Marxist, and Socialist parties within India. These include: the Communist Party of India, Marxist Communist Party of India, Marxist Coordination Committee, Janathipathiya Samrakshana Samithy, Communist Marxist Party, BTR-EMS-AKG Janakeeya Vedi, Workers' Emancipation, Party of Democratic Socialism, and Orissa Communist Party. None of these parties control any state within India by themselves. That being said in West Bengal (a state near Bangladesh) the Indian National Congress and the Trinamool Congress have formed a coalition called the Left Front that controls the state government.

Meanwhile there are a large number of Maoist rebels in Northeastern and Eastern India. These rebels are called Naxalites and are leading an internal rebellion within India. They are militant members with no political organization and are largely at war with the Indian Army which regularly gets into skirmishes with them. Just recently Bangladesh and India teamed up in Eastern India to conduct military operations against the Naxalites.
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