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Why hate the Jews?: 2/2/2016 02:28:04


Von Jewburg
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I've noticed on the Internet, people are extremely hostile towards Jews.

Just in general. I've seen people blame Jews for the Paris attacks last year (both), 9/11, the Holocaust, Communism, the European Migrant Crisis, and so forth.

My question is, why Jews?

What on Earth has caused people around the world to blame these people for the world's problems, instead of anyone else? And it doesn't seem to be stopping.

I've had to see comments on message boards of people wishing for another Holocaust, people who say Jews made the UN to control the world, that Israel is as big of a threat to the US as ISIS...

And these people seem genuine. I went on a college tour, and I heard two foreign students from Pakistan whispering about "Israel is ruled by devils..... it's leaders are evil...."

Feel free to answer, belittle Jews even more, or simply say "what is this cancer". Preferably the first, but we all know that's not going to happen with the way the OT forums are going.
Why hate the Jews?: 2/2/2016 02:34:07


[AOE] JaiBharat909
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Its true...its a really sad fact about humanity's history. I can't explain why...it baffles me really. The only possible hypothesis I can offer is their false historical attribution as the people who caused Christ's death.

Its a really depressing topic though.
Why hate the Jews?: 2/2/2016 03:37:28


(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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1.There are just too few Jews..and more importantly lack of a Jewish state before 1948. Nation states protect at least its dominant group.
2.Jews are traditionally pretty competent people hence some other (usually not economically successful) people blame Jews for their own problems. The more developed a nation is the less likely the nation is going to be antisemitic.
3.Abrahamic religions and (strong) atheism are inherently intolerant (not necessarily violent but just logically intolerant, not that it is good or bad, it is just a valid position) religious positions. Hence non-Abrahamic people and Abrahamic people generally can not understand each other, nor does people of one Abrahamic faith tolerate people from a different one. (Very few religious wars do NOT involve at least one of the four groups above)..that's why ironically Easterners such as Indians, Chinese and Japanese are way more tolerant of Jews than the rest of the Abrahamic world (except for Ameowrica).

BTW I'm very glad that Jews existed and continue to exist. Without Jews the world would have been much more boring...:-)

Edited 2/2/2016 03:44:35
Why hate the Jews?: 2/2/2016 05:47:15

wct
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What on Earth has caused people around the world to blame these people for the world's problems, instead of anyone else? And it doesn't seem to be stopping.

Mostly religion. Judaism itself, historically speaking, is not the most tolerant of religions (that's an understatement, of course). Christianity (ironically an offshoot of Judaism) and Islam (ironically heavily influenced by both Judaism and Christianity) are both historically hostile to their mother religion(s) (and thus their adherents), as many offshoot sects tend to be (hence religious wars between Protestants/Catholics, Sunni/Shiites, etc.).

Then you've got more modern bigoted ideologies, like Nazism's anti-Jewish bias, derived partly from a Christian culture of fear, superstition, and hatred of Jews (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_libel for example). Etc.

So, basically: irrational, contagious, superstitious belief. Mostly religion.

Edited 2/2/2016 06:13:45
Why hate the Jews?: 2/2/2016 06:04:57

wct
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Original:
I've had to see comments on message boards of people wishing for another Holocaust, people who say Jews made the UN to control the world, that Israel is as big of a threat to the US as ISIS...

And these people seem genuine. I went on a college tour, and I heard two foreign students from Pakistan whispering about "Israel is ruled by devils..... it's leaders are evil...."

Let me tweak that for you, to hopefully provide some interesting perspective:
I've had to see comments on message boards of people wishing for another Civil War, people who say Liberals made the media to control the world, that socialism is as big of a threat to the US as ISIS...

And these people seem genuine. I went on a college tour, and I heard two Tea Party supporters from the Bible Belt whispering about "The Democratic Party is ruled by devils..... Obama is evil...."

Lots of people believe crazy shit. And they act on those beliefs. Sad, but true. So, basically: irrational, contagious, superstitious belief. Mostly religion.
Why hate the Jews?: 2/2/2016 06:11:23

wct
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I can't explain why...it baffles me really.

Jai, just for clarification, you generally see faith in religion as a good thing, right?

The only possible hypothesis I can offer is their false historical attribution as the people who caused Christ's death.

Hmmmm..... You know.... You might be on to something there! I wonder....
Why hate the Jews?: 2/2/2016 06:33:02


Filthy Weeaboo Scum
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Before I begin, let's discuss the differences between an average Jew (like you and I who adopt the religion) and a Zionist. One is a normal person with normal beliefs, the other is a far-right person who takes his beliefs to the extreme. Think of it like a normal Muslim and ISIS, there's a pretty contrast difference there right?

1. Jews are statistically more likely to be richer than a person of any other belief system, with the majority of rich people being Jewish. There's historical examples of rich and affluent Jews from both the past and current events (Ukraine, Syria etc) using their power for nefarious reasons. Should the majority be judged based off this minority? No, but like any form of racism it's always a minority's actions that in the eyes of the racist is the majority.

2. Judaism. It is far from a peaceful religion, it teaches the belief that adherents to it are inherently superior to others. Do most believers actually believe this? No. But here's where I'll bring up the first point, Zionists are people on the far-right political spectrum that're willing to go to any lengths to see Israel stays as a state. Since the Balfour declaration (I'll discuss that down below) until today, Zionists have done practically every thing imaginable regardless of it's legality to expand the state of Israel. From terrorism in other countries, assassinations and just general violations of international law - Israel's leaders might portray themselves as the victims but it's a two-way road.

3. History. While the number of reasons I listed before was the reason for the rise in anti-antisemitism, it wasn't until much later (late 1890's) that the political ideology of Zionism started. Following the outbreak of the first major World War, British politician Arthur Balfour tried to drum up support from Zionists in Germany as the growing influential ideology was already in the minds of the elite - basically they helped Germany lose WW1 in return for promised land in Palestine. Before this, normal Jews and Muslims lived alongside each other just fine in Palestine. It was peaceful. It was only after what was deemed to be an illegal violation of international laws, assassinations and building settlements that was not on party of Israeli promised territory that nearby countries joined in a coalition and attacked Israel unsuccessfully.

I have absouletely nothing against Jews, but historically there's more than enough reasons for people living in the Middle East to hate Jews and Israel. I don't think you can justify the reasons people have for hating Jews so simply as "well they're Muslim" or something simple-minded like that. By the way, I'm an atheist who's neutral on religion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_on_diplomatic_missions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_assassinations
http://www.israellawresourcecenter.org/internationallaw/studyguides/sgil3.htm
Why hate the Jews?: 2/2/2016 07:22:07


chuck norris
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Hate through history of the jews i think is because of multiple reasons
1. success, many jews were successful and many people resent the rich and powerful
2. jews are everywhere the minority and nowhere the majority (except israel), its like the gypsies, they dont have their own country instead they use other peoples countries
3. they tend to separate themselves from non jews, most people when they go into a country, integrate and become a part of the country and culture. in many cases jews dont do this, only breed with other jews, making sure they are not integrated into the country and culture

Edited 2/2/2016 07:25:38
Why hate the Jews?: 2/2/2016 08:34:31


(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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The issue is that everyone has a right to declare himself/herself culturally independent. Nobody has a duty to be assimilated into any society, including the one you are forcefully born into. If someone wants to invent a conlang and declares himself/herself to be a part of a new group, so be it..as long as it is harmless.

An ethno-religious group such as Jews (including ultra-orthodox subgroups) and Amish also have their right to live however they want to, as long as it does not harm people including themselves. It is conformism that is the problem. People should be taught to leave others alone, especially in matters that do not harm people, such as (non-offensive but different) dressing, food habits, naming habits, etc.

I can declare a new ethnicity, Tabby People which only consists of myself with its own official language (my conlang), its version of history, its own anthem, etc if I want to. You can do the same. Also people should be allowed to pick their names when they are old enough, choose a religion including atheism independent of the society and family, choose an ethnic group if any if they want to belong to one, choose a language as their primary language which can be their own conlangs, etc. Among the most important rights of an individual are freedom of religion from social interference and freedom from ancestral cultural influence if someone wants it gone.

Edited 2/2/2016 08:49:56
Why hate the Jews?: 2/2/2016 09:46:48

SVY
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One of the causes that many Muslims hate Jews is that while establishing himself in Medina, the prophet Muhammad encountered a lot of resistance and scheming from the rich Jewish tribes who opposed his socio-economic reforms.
Now this hate that was originally directed at certain Arab-Jewish tribes snowballed into a hatred for all Jews as the Islamic empires expanded. Important note: not all Muslims hate Jews. They were generally well-treated and made significant contributions to the sciences and arts in the flourishing Muslim civilizations. Maimonides for example.
A lot of stupid and ignorant people mouth shit about "Zionists" and whatnot. I doubt most of them know what "Zionists" even means.

Edited 2/2/2016 09:50:00
Why hate the Jews?: 2/2/2016 10:01:18


Azraelkali53
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jews din' du nuffin. Dey is good goyyim.
Why hate the Jews?: 2/2/2016 10:11:48


The Lord
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Progressives have become friends with Islamists. Islamists hate Jews. Therefore, progressives have started excusing anti-Semitism if not outright supporting it. Progressives control the mainstream media, so the mainstream media starts telling people stuff like that anti-Semitism is an understandable response to Israeli politics. That said, hating Muslims is not OK because of Iranian or Saudi politics.
Why hate the Jews?: 2/2/2016 11:30:00


Azraelkali53
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You people are morons. There is no justification or rationalization for hating an entire group of people based upon race. It is irrational.

Edited 2/2/2016 11:30:44
Why hate the Jews?: 2/2/2016 16:18:23


(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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There is no justification for antisemitism but there are causes...

I have met some Muslims. Some don't care about Jews, some don't but claim that Israel is supposedly stealing Palestinian land. The issue is that Jews had been around that region way before Arabs.. and more surprisingly Palestinian Arabs are genetically pretty close to Israeli Jews..

@SVY Once Muslims get rich and happy again there will be less antisemitism. People are not born haters but taught to be in schools. There were relatively little antisemitism in rich countries such as Polish-Lituanian Commonwealth and Ameowrica. Jews are just excuse for real problems.
Why hate the Jews?: 2/2/2016 16:22:16


GeneralPE
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People are jealous that the Jews are so successful. No matter what happens, they move on and become wealthy, influential, upstanding citizens wherever they are. If you look at history, they very well seem to be God's chosen people, small in number but incredibly determined and resilient.

EDIT: That and the fact Mohammed ordered all Muslims to hate them and called them pigs, apes, etc. There are a LOT of Muslims who follow his lead and hate Jews.

Edited 2/2/2016 16:23:36
Why hate the Jews?: 2/2/2016 19:21:53


Darth Darth Binks
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You people are morons. There is no justification or rationalization for hating an entire group of people based upon race. It is irrational.

Jews aren't a race.
Why hate the Jews?: 2/2/2016 19:31:28


Azraelkali53
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yes they are
Why hate the Jews?: 2/2/2016 19:49:26


GeneralPE
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Jews are a race. They are a Semitic people. Not all Jews are Semites, or all Semites Jews, but Jew is a race.
Why hate the Jews?: 2/2/2016 19:50:14


Lord Varys
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Progressives have become friends with Islamists. Islamists hate Jews. Therefore, progressives have started excusing anti-Semitism if not outright supporting it. Progressives control the mainstream media, so the mainstream media starts telling people stuff like that anti-Semitism is an understandable response to Israeli politics. That said, hating Muslims is not OK because of Iranian or Saudi politics.


Did someone hack The Lord? This is not the insane guy I remember.

Also, Jews aren't a race, Hebrews is the race. Jews are anyone who follows Judaism.
Why hate the Jews?: 2/2/2016 19:52:52


GeneralPE
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Fair point Varys. But most Hebrews are Jews, and the two are practically interchangeable.
Why hate the Jews?: 2/2/2016 19:55:49


Angry Koala
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Tyrion, Jews aren't a race, Hebrews aren't a race, there is only one race: The Human Race.
#Getyourfactsright
Why hate the Jews?: 2/2/2016 19:56:14


GeneralPE
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stfu koala.
Why hate the Jews?: 2/2/2016 19:58:07


Azraelkali53
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ashkenazi jews are a mix of italian and israelite. Most jews are ashkenazim. Therefore most jews are only half semitic.
Why hate the Jews?: 2/2/2016 19:59:54


Angry Koala
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The notion of "race" is irrelevant GeneralPE.
Why hate the Jews?: 2/2/2016 20:01:36


Azraelkali53
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Koala go back to tumblr. You clearly don't know anything about Anthropology.
Why hate the Jews?: 2/2/2016 20:02:34


Angry Koala
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sure Karl/Vormulak, tell me more about Anthropology then.
Why hate the Jews?: 2/2/2016 20:04:10


GeneralPE
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Koala once more shows his ignorance.
1). People have evolved differently. Skin color is the most noticeable, but jaw structure and other differences exist.
2). Race in this case does not refer to species, but a distinct group with various features differing from others.
Why hate the Jews?: 2/2/2016 20:08:05


Azraelkali53
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hes going to accuse me of being a known racist simply because I don't deny the truth.
Why hate the Jews?: 2/2/2016 20:12:11


[WOLF] The Conservative
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" Race in this case does not refer to species, but a distinct group with various features differing from others. "



ethnic group is the word I believe ^
Why hate the Jews?: 2/2/2016 20:12:58


Azraelkali53
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no, race is the appropriate word.
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