yeah at least one or two moderators from each time zone would be needed

zephyrum why don't you Play a Blockade style game instead of making fun about a serious Topic and waste fizzers time? i wished i could Report you for that.

MoD stop being an idiot would you.

Angry, he is right.

waste fizzers time

He has plenty of it, that's why images were blocked in the first place. Because he refuses to moderate his own website and/or make anything to stop the trolls.

I'm pretty sure a twelve years old could come up with a better solution than Fizzer. That was a completely lazy and in every way stupid update. Shows how much he doesn't care for the "serious topic" in question.

So an idea I had a while ago was building and enforcing community guidelines that actually punish trolls. Not on the part of Fizzer, but through the adoption of a common standard that we can use to track and report offenders.

I know that at least a few clans have common blacklists- the old CORP one, for example, tracked PEs, trolls, and occasionally forum scammers (and its standard required a link for some sort of verification).

If we expand something like that to the entire WL community, we can track offenses, their dates, their exact nature, and with some degree of verification (a link, and possibly some sign-off on the part of some trusted group or as a decentralized community-run mechanism). A server with some API endpoints that let you query with a player ID and find out their "permanent record" with some categories of offenses so you can know enough about them to do something.

It'd have to be executed very carefully, but it's something that I initially had in mind for IPL- to suspend players that hurt the community. Clan League could implement that as well (and use it for alt-tracking, possibly), and over time clans could adopt the standard as well.

The issue is that a lot of trolls aren't here for the game- they suck at it and instead come here for the community. We can't really do more than what Fizzer's already got in place when it comes to kicking them out of the game, but as a community we can certainly do a lot more to exclude harmful players.

Would anyone actually use an OpenBlackList like this, though?

@Zephyrum:

Fizzer doesn't "refuse" to moderate the website. He's just hella strapped for resources and just trying to allocate them in the way he thinks will serve the community best. The report button was probably on his to-do list for a long time but some idiots finally forced his hand.

Stop giving him a hard time. He's far from a lazy dev- if he thinks something will genuinely help players/the community, I can speak from experience that he actually does develop it in a very short timespan.

But it's just hard to please everyone, and harder yet when they're being complete assholes to prove a point they don't even understand.

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if we could report people for ignorance then everyone would be suspended.

seriously. i wished fizzer had more time for updates and stuff. but that's impossible if some Kids Keep doing stupid stuff like reporting People for no reason, post crap on the Forums, cgeat on the game etc. i can understand when fizzer loses Motivation to improve his game like that.

Edit: Knyte your idea might not be bad, but i feel like it would have no use in the end. Blacklisted Players can still comment on a thread i created for example. And i think the Players who talk shit are mainly not into competitive games. So excluding them from leagues won't help a lot probably.

Edited 2/5/2016 23:35:23

And there's Knyte, not getting paid a cent, doing more for the game and it's community than Fizzer is.

How can anyone even take Fizzer seriously? Really, you'd be better off without an administrator of any sorts, he's pretty much the Night Shyamalan of the forums - if anything can be done wrong, it will, if not, it will anyway.

I can only see three plausible reasons to defend Fizzer after this:

1) He pays you
2) You have too much hope in Fizzer
3) You're brain dead.

seriously. i wished fizzer had more time for updates and stuff. but that's impossible if some Kids Keep doing stupid stuff like reporting People for no reason

I never sent that report to start with, I wrote it and screenshot it for some people to laugh. LAUGH! Which is what you're supposed to be doing when looking at Fizzer "working" on his game. Laughing. Because Fizzer is, day after day, becoming more of a joke.

post crap on the Forums

So you're implying he actually uses his time to moderate the forums?

^ Yeah. :( I feel bad personally because I kept giving Fizzer a hard time, but (at the suggestion of MotD) actually talked to him and he's really kind when it comes to development requests.

I think most of the developers on this site can tell you how many time constraints they have to deal with.

Actually, go to any popular GitHub repo- even a widely used one, like pip (the Python package manager- https://github.com/pypa/pip). There's over 500+ unresolved issues and 117 pull requests currently being handled. You can find similar statistics on the repos for actual programming languages that people use (https://github.com/apple/swift - 59 open pull requests, and that's with literally thousands of people contributing to it.

Fizzer's just one guy. He's got to handle actual bugs, critical feature updates for new releases, compatibility between a web app + multiple mobile apps, etc. etc., on top of a really large and growing codebase where you can really mess things up with even small updates.

Yes, some things the community desperately wants- but the thing is that Fizzer has to prioritize things, and you're only hurting Warlight by adding to his work.

Don't be a dick, especially if you're lazy like most of this site.

or 4 he understands the shit Fizzer has to go through in running and maintaining the game by himself.

Thanks porn posters. You really helped.

I better start saving up coins.

Edit: @Fizzer do all 'suitable' previously posted images stay in-lined?

Edited 2/6/2016 00:03:58

wow...surprised by this. Seems Google is more socially conservative than I thought.

And there's Knyte, not getting paid a cent, doing more for the game and it's community than Fizzer is.

... dude, all I did for the community this week was make about 60 games using stuff Fizzer built. This week, Fizzer's probably been working on some new features and currently testing them in a sandbox. He's updated at least a few things (that are still in beta) that I just asked him about a week ago.

I really object to being used against Fizzer here. He made WL, and he's a really nice person.

The thing is, developing is hard work. And I can tell you from experience that it can really fuck with your self-esteem because of how much stuff is out there to pick up, learn, and work on.

I never sent that report to start with, I wrote it and screenshot it for some people to laugh. LAUGH! Which is what you're supposed to be doing when looking at Fizzer "working" on his game. Laughing. Because Fizzer is, day after day, becoming more of a joke.

... so how do you contribute to society?

@MOD: I was thinking it could be enforced on a clan-by-clan level. IPL could, for example, blanket-refuse players from clans if they repeatedly accept players with certain violations.

Block people from the community, not the game, basically. Clan League could already do that to the 30+ clans in it- if they harbor trolls after being warned, they get out. This could force clan leaders to take charge.

There's gaps, though- after all, there's clans out there that just accept everyone and aren't serious enough to get affected by this (but active enough to offer some sort of community). Not sure how to deal with them.

But we need some way to contain the tumor as a community. I think the first step would be to actually track it.

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It has been said many times. We need MORE MODERATORS, and they should have permission to actually DELETE/EDIT posts/threads. Not just poor Chris who can only move threads meaning that Fizzer is the only one that actually can delete some unwanted posts.

It's not that Fizzer is totally lazy, it's just WarLight is big enough to need more than one, two persons doing stuff.

There is still possibility to add links, is it? You can simply upload image somewhere on Internet and link it. Of course, one more click is reuqired, but it is not a hell of a work.

Look, As a community I'm sure we are all ticked off about losing a feature but what's important is about cleaning for the return of ad revenue, If we all have a cautious eye out and take the time to write a report to remove adult images e.g We should be reporting Lolicon loves profile right now. It's not about what happened in the past it's about how we deal with it now. One report is all it takes and not trying to sound attention seeking but if reporting my asshole behavior hells than do it.

On a side note, There is a report structure in place and it's very detailed AFAIK Every report is being looked at according to some of the report reviewers I've been lucky to be contacted and asked by. I think it's now time for them to know that the ball is in their court to start moderating these forums even more efficient than ever! Especially if Ad revenue which is crucial to keep this site going at stake.

There needs to be community doing their job as the report moderators doing theres!

Giving mods full admin powers, though, could create issues- I get the impression that at least a few of them would delete all of OT if they could (I know I would, if I were a mod and had that power). Decentralization works best, imho, as a verification mechanism.

... dude, all I did for the community this week was make about 60 games using stuff Fizzer built. This week, Fizzer's probably been working on some new features and currently testing them in a sandbox. He's updated at least a few things (that are still in beta) that I just asked him about a week ago.

Thinking about how the last 2 major updates (coins and dashboard) were all, saying lightly, controversial, I think that the folk want things that can't go wrong and are choice, like whatever you did. I'm not sure myself, but I've heard from other coders on the site that he still hasn't implemented many important settings that would require very little change in code against long coding for coins (which was understandable in that case, but now he no longer has the right to whine anymore about money problems) and dashboard. Coding 30 hours each week, he should really get much more done.

He made WL, and he's a really nice person.

Warlight was his peak. It's just a somewhat simple flash game that took a while to make, but was obviously fun to make.

The thing is, developing is hard work. And I can tell you from experience that it can really fuck with your self-esteem because of how much stuff is out there to pick up, learn, and work on.

Again, thinking about Fizzer's latest developments (crap or practically none), Fizzer needs a vacation.

I never sent that report to start with, I wrote it and screenshot it for some people to laugh. LAUGH! Which is what you're supposed to be doing when looking at Fizzer "working" on his game. Laughing. Because Fizzer is, day after day, becoming more of a joke.



... so how do you contribute to society?

Curb your arrogance here. How do you contribute? By eating soup and coding some tournament stuff? Don't glorify yourself, fool.

Edited 2/5/2016 23:54:18