Class warfare, let's party like its 1789

Jefferspin, I perfectly understand your point about the OT forum being a place to avoid like the plague, and I actually was thinking about this reason about why ps did not create his thread in the OT forum. But still why are some people not bothered about making irrelevant threads in the general forum whereas others should make similar ones in the OT? You get finally my point right?
Instead of avoiding the OT, maybe you and others avoiding it should post more often there. If the OT forum is in its bad state currrently its becasue many of you left, and left the ground to trolls. Few people are still trying to fix it or stop them (I numerously reported the misbehaviors there but as you know, it takes a long time to the moderation to have things done, I hope reforms like giving to ChrisCMU and some other reliable people more power will be implemented quickly..)

If you see game developers as "lazy game developers" for not catering to your whims you're an overly self-entitled selfish asshole. It's as simple as that - you don't get to dictate how Fizzer spends his time. You're also severely underestimating how much time he and other game developers spend working on their games. Dedicating all your time to something and having people repeatedly trash you for being "slow" and "lazy" while you do it is incredibly demoralizing.

If game development is so easy in your eyes please go create a successful game and show us all how it's done. But of course you won't do that - that'd require effort, you're much happier to sit back and comlain about how inadequate everyone else is.

LOL how do I even start here?

If you see game developers as "lazy game developers" for not catering to your whims you're an overly self-entitled selfish asshole.

Did you even read the text or you just joined the bandwagon? This game is Fizzer's job, and we are the customers. I have the right to complain specially because I am a payer. If people just left without complaining this game would be dead even with Google Ads, as would any other business. I'm not complaining because "he didn't cater my whims", I'm complaining because instead of updaing the game and making new features to improve it or fixing existing ones, he's REMOVING one only to not have to deal with it. Have you EVER played anything other than WarLight? If yes, you know well, this is a lazy, half-assed reply.

It's as simple as that - you don't get to dictate how Fizzer spends his time. You're also severely underestimating how much time he and other game developers spend working on their games.

I don't get to dictate his time spent, indeed, but honestly, is I was his boss, I'd fire him because he's either A) extremely lazy and works little to no time or B) extremely inneficient and works full-time but doesn't accomplish much.

I'm not "severely underestimating". This "oh, the developer has a life too, trust him he'll do something eventually, don't complain it only makes things worse" is the SAME. THING. that happens in literally every single browser game that is a few years away from being abandoned. There is a damn pattern. I'm fine with a developer that "has a life" or doesn't update for whatever other reasons, I'm not fine with developers that remove features that are used by players because they don't want to handle it.

Dedicating all your time to something and having people repeatedly trash you for being "slow" and "lazy" while you do it is incredibly demoralizing.

Dedicating? Doubt so. Remember, for you it's a game, but for Fizzer, it's a job. If there is a group of people calling him "slow and lazy", it means he definetely did at least one thing wrong. You're not complaining because the removed feature doesn't affect you, but maybe in several months, after a long period without updates (shouldn't take too long), you'll change your mind.

If game development is so easy in your eyes please go create a successful game and show us all how it's done. But of course you won't do that - that'd require effort, you're much happier to sit back and comlain about how inadequate everyone else is.

#TRUMP2016! BEST PRESIDENT! KILL ALL MUSLIMS AND DEPORT ALL MEXICANS!
Don't agree? Then shut up and go become a presidential candidate! Try to get the same amount of votes Trump got! Otherwise you can't complain, because you're much happier to sit back and complain about how inadequate Trump is. You can't even get anywhere close to him, so you can't criticize him.

I'll also draw a penis in your face and you can't remove it or complain about it until you've drawn it better. If it's so easy to draw in your eyes, then go on and show us all how it's done!

Oh, by the way, you can't complain about me either until you've made a rant longer than my original one. Otherwise, you still haven't created a succesful rant, and as such you can't rate my rants as bad or complain about their content.

That's how life works. You can't complain about anything until you do it better. We should get rid of movie and book critics, conoisseurs and all the kind. Why not have Shyamalan review Spielberg, which will review Hitchcock, while the latter reviews Shyamalan? Makes perfect sense, right?

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This was PS's thread true. I was the one insisting because I even showed you 2 similar threads and both of them were in the OT forum and then some of you started raging saying the 2 other threads were different because they weren't about real players whereas these 3 threads were about the same very topic (a player and his ban), and insulting some people like Sirsalty and blacklisting him for no reason (very childish attitude)."

The major difference was not that Boston was a good player and the other two were not. Boston was banned for ingame behavior, not forum posts. That actually IS a key difference, and it has nothing to do with elitism. The reason the others were banned had nothing to do with Warlight as a game.

"Juq (a good forumer tbh even if we often disagreed on many things together) would tell you you just committed a very big logical fallacy. Insulting someone is just pathetic. Stop raging and calm down first, then we could discuss normally."

Insulting someone is not a logical fallacy. You're referring to argumentum ad hominem. I'd be commiting ad-hominem if rather than debating what you are saying right now I attacked you as an individual and attempted to discredit your statement by making you out to look stupid. Even when doing that though it's only logical fallacy if it is unrelated. Example: You make a claim. I show numerous other times you have lied in the past as a means of discrediting the validity of your current claim. That's still not ad-hominem, because it is logical to assume someone who has a history of lying may be doing so again. Please note: That is a hypothetical scenario, I am not claiming you are lying right now nor that you have a history of lying.

While accusing me of arguing with logical fallacies though you are actually committing one yourself. The insinuation that I am "raging" and need to "calm down" is a strawman argument.

"I already said in the Boston thread I did not care at all if they blacklisted me, nonetheless they blacklisted also SirSalty and certainly other people for no other reason than him being a "not real" player, or raging after him just because he reasonably were offended after what MoD said."

It's not about blacklisting you or not blacklisting you. Your belief that there are proper and improper reasons to blacklist someone is exactly that same point of view you are claiming is so awful. You're looking down on others for having a different opinion than your own. You did the same in the thread about Boston when others didn't feel the thread needed to be moved.

"You are clearly understanding nothing of what happened earlier, and why I said this. It confirmed my points about some people (not only MoD"

That is once again, actual logical fallacy. The insinuation that I understand nothing at all simply because you claim something was intended to be interpreted differently than it actually was. The problem is you'd never stated any "view" of VSvsVS. Therefore his comments cannot confirm your belief of anything. For example: Someone saying something about me cannot confirm your beliefs about me, only about them. Things I say can confirm beliefs about me.

Finally: If you're going to try and toss around the term logical fallacy as a means of discrediting an argument - don't. That in itself is a form of logical fallacy known as argument from fallacy, it also makes you look incredibly silly when the statements in question are not actually arguing anything at all. Insults are not fallacies unless used as an actual form of argument and even then only in specific scenarios.

I just want to clear something up. This 'private' mail thread consisted of 20+ people each of which had no opportunity to decline an invitation to it. When every time I hop on warlight and my mail icon is flashing because of garbage I asked to not be apart of (this is the second mail thread like this ive been forced into), then im going to invade your 'privacy'.

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Its the 3rd one. Not the 2nd one.

For him, it's the second. We were smarter back in early december, so we didn't have him in the thread.

I know. I just wanted to point it out.

"I have the right to complain"

No, you don't. Not here anyway. Here you have privileges, not rights. They are very different.

"If people just left without complaining this game would be dead even with Google Ads, as would any other business."

Negative. You're assuming that because you're unhappy that so is everyone else, and that if you left instead of acting like a douchebag that everyone else would leave beforehand as well.

"Have you EVER played anything other than WarLight? If yes, you know well, this is a lazy, half-assed reply."

No, not a lazy half-assed reply. I've played other games, yes, many of them are filled with entitled assholes like you. It's rather sad actually how entitled your generation is. You want what you want, when you want it, and you want everything to be catered to you. Your demands would lead me to believe you think Fizzer somehow owes you or most of the games players something. He doesn't. Most players have never paid a dime. Even those with memerships like you have have paid very little. You paid $30, once, eight months ago. When you buy a videogame for a console do you expect non-stop updates to it forever as well? I mean, you paid for it, so surely the developer is now required to update the game for all of eternity, and to do so at a breakneck pace, right? Wrong.

"I don't get to dictate his time spent, indeed, but honestly, is I was his boss, I'd fire him because he's either A) extremely lazy and works little to no time or B) extremely inneficient and works full-time but doesn't accomplish much."

You have absolutely no idea how much time he does or doesn't spend working on the game. You also have absolutely no idea what work is being done behind the scenes. You know when he posts to his blog, and that's pretty much it, even then you know what he states was changed, but nothing about how much work went into implementing that change. You're in no position to decide what he should work on or how much time he should spend working on it. You're right that this is his job, but his job is to make enough money to make himself happy, it is not to make you happy. If I create a game and work on it as a hobby a few hours a day, or even less, and make enough to live off of doing so - more power to me. I do not need to dedicate more time to it just because someone else thinks I should be doing so. My goal when I go to work is to make ME happy. It is to make as much money as I need to live to the standards of my choosing. Sure, I could work more hours, develop software at a faster rate, and make more money - but I don't need to do so.

"#TRUMP2016! BEST PRESIDENT! KILL ALL MUSLIMS AND DEPORT ALL MEXICANS!
Don't agree? Then shut up and go become a presidential candidate! Try to get the same amount of votes Trump got! Otherwise you can't complain, because you're much happier to sit back and complain about how inadequate Trump is. You can't even get anywhere close to him, so you can't criticize him."

Awful logic. Anyone can develop a game. They need skills, which you certainly lack given your inability to understand how grueling game development is, but there's no massively high entry barrier. There can however only be one president of the united states at any given moment, it's not something someone can just choose to do. Especially not someone under the age of 35. Not to mention - Trump has no chance of being elected.

Your comparison falls flat. A better comparison would be someone criticizing Obama for what he hasn't achieved during his term, without understanding how difficult it would be for him to have pulled off whatever ridiculous feats they may have expected from him while he was in office.

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100th post !!! Happy Milestone of bitching everybody, Here is to the next 100!

XD

I enjoy this thread

I stopped following when the text walls invaded.

Lol
this thread showed me the second faces of most people..

Woah not to offend anyone but do these Warlight secret Agents talk about other members of warlight their huge mail thread too . I wonder what they speak of us

My applause to you all

Yes especially you Prab, Bane's second thread is coming out in a cinema near you.

Excuses, excuses. It's not an awful logic, that's pretty much what you told me. "Can't complain because you haven't done better.

My goal when I go to work is to make ME happy. It is to make as much money as I need to live to the standards of my choosing.

In other words, to make other people happy. If you are happy with your work, that's a plus, but if you are the only one, you'll pretty much just die out of hunger.

It's rather sad actually how entitled your generation is.

You have absolutely no idea how much time he does or doesn't spend working on the game. You also have absolutely no idea what work is being done behind the scenes. You know when he posts to his blog, and that's pretty much it, even then you know what he states was changed, but nothing about how much work went into implementing that change.

So you're telling me you can assume what my age is, and, as such, my generation, and it's completeley fine and you're certainly correct? But I can't assume how long Fizzer works on a daily/weekly basis because it's being "an entitled asshole" and I'm certainly wrong? Makes a lost of sense. Seeing the way you hate said generation (despite not even knowing which, since you don't know my age), I've got to say you most likely have a lot of anger in that little heart of yours.

Awful logic. Anyone can develop a game. They need skills, which you certainly lack given your inability to understand how grueling game development is, but there's no massively high entry barrier.

Lol, game developing is just like any other freelancer job. Anyone can do it with dedication and creativity. High risk high reward. Fizzer got pretty far and that's why we got here, and I know it will be dropped eventually, I got used to games going down like that.

Problem is, when a game starts falling apart, not even the laziest of developers (trust me, even lazier than you can imagine - I speak of having the game up for 4 years since the last update was made and no contact with the game's community) takes away content or features without implementing a new or better one in the process. Completely understandable that you need something to be done ASAP to restore google ads' trust, but there's no sign of that coming back. So it's basically a short-term solution being used as a long-term solution. Most of humanity's biggest mistakes were that.

No, you don't. Not here anyway. Here you have privileges, not rights. They are very different.

Let me repeat that: If people just left without complaining this game would be dead even with Google Ads, as would any other business.

Negative. You're assuming that because you're unhappy that so is everyone else, and that if you left instead of acting like a douchebag that everyone else would leave beforehand as well.

Think out of the box, I am not speaking exclusively about this one situation, but about every single situation a game developer does something bad. I'm not saying me leaving will be much of a problem to Fizzer, nor any person in particular.

But in pretty much every decent business that seeks GROWTH and IMPROVEMENT (including but not limited to games industry), they tend to hear what their buyers tend to say, good and bad. At least to some extent.

The issue here is one particular situation in which suggestions are ignored over and over and questioning about them backfires because, if you do so, someone that likely was deprived of positive social interaction for long periods of time will come by, insult you as much as he humanly can and then tell you to shut up and stop "insulting" Fizzer.

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That said, you can talk to the hand. I'm not going to insist on a conversation that is pretty much someone who can't do anything other than blatantly insult someone, specially for the sake of a thread that aimed specifically at this. Saving my fingers to reply to people that are half serious instead.

Yippy thanks for the trailer salty
i am awaiting

Prab, don't get your hopes up, I'd be surprised if you were mentioned once in the entire 3000+ posts of all the attack threads.

I wouldnt be suprised thou i would just get to know people much better
i hope that cinema comes up

Still think Fleece's attitude is the best attitude. You really should try it, guys ;)