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Congrats to the Turtles: USA Biches and Buns157: 2/7/2016 07:24:53

JSA 
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Congrats guys! Awesome to see you have both taken #1 recently; from the games I've watched, you both are well deserving of that golden trophy.

It's great to see the Turtles really coming up as a clan; you guys are really doing well lately.
Congrats to the Turtles: USA Biches and Buns157: 2/7/2016 07:27:57


Miles Edgeworth
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Congrats to the both of you. Really well deserved for sure.
Congrats to the Turtles: USA Biches and Buns157: 2/7/2016 07:54:07


ZeroBlindDragon
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Buns, USA Biches and the entire Icelandic Turtles clan certainly deserve our heartfelt congratulations for improving so much lately. Keep up the good work, guys!
Congrats to the Turtles: USA Biches and Buns157: 2/7/2016 10:40:34


Buns157 
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Thanks guys. Biches is pretty busy at the moment so I doubt he will see this, but he would say the same.
Congrats to the Turtles: USA Biches and Buns157: 2/7/2016 12:32:12


Min34 
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Congrats guys! Very well done.
Congrats to the Turtles: USA Biches and Buns157: 2/7/2016 12:43:35


TheRiverStyxie 
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Well done Buns and USA Biches!
Congrats to the Turtles: USA Biches and Buns157: 2/7/2016 12:46:56

Master of the Dead 
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Love the turtles. Always play fair and never game the ladders. Well deserved.
Congrats to the Turtles: USA Biches and Buns157: 2/7/2016 13:17:07

The Glorious Koala
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congratz guys :D
Congrats to the Turtles: USA Biches and Buns157: 2/7/2016 13:24:30


master of desaster 
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Yeah turtles! Keep it up. It's always great fun to play you
Congrats to the Turtles: USA Biches and Buns157: 2/7/2016 13:44:48


Nackickwind
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I think Motd might be ironic :/
Congrats to the Turtles: USA Biches and Buns157: 2/7/2016 17:51:31

Master of the Dead 
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What? No. I was being sincere :/
Congrats to the Turtles: USA Biches and Buns157: 2/7/2016 17:58:30


♆♆♆ RedBloodyKiller ♆♆♆
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congratulation buns $$$$ for what you achieved, but I still don't like you '=)
Congrats to the Turtles: USA Biches and Buns157: 2/7/2016 18:21:23


Nackickwind
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Ah sorry motd it's just that I saw your chat against USA and Sultan, that and I misread the title of this thread.
Congrats to the Turtles: USA Biches and Buns157: 2/10/2016 18:59:06


Platinum
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Hmm, Looks like I will have to cut the celebrations short here.

Unfortunately, I believe I made a grim discovery which has mad eme to believe Buns has stalled to gain the 1v1 ladder trophy.

https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=10334409 here we see Buns playing this game, It can be argued that he probably should've surrendered from turn 7 or most definitely at turn 9! THOUGH one undeniable thing happened he surrendered at 2:15am the time after he received the trophy before hand. Just so this loss wouldn't effect his ratings so he can get the trophy.

So from that Incident I can't excuse Buns from Alhazi and tbh I feel this has once again been a showing of cheating and dishonesty from Buns. This is very sad to see and shows the players who we usually trust can do anything to get that trophy.
Congrats to the Turtles: USA Biches and Buns157: 2/10/2016 19:07:40


Ragnarok
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Buns is still a great player and deserved it. I'm sure he'll show us in the future that he did not need to stall to get the trophy.
Congrats to the Turtles: USA Biches and Buns157: 2/10/2016 19:55:01


Tony Sodano 
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He definitely deserves the trophy, but he did not deserve it this ladder run. I'm sure he can get to the 1st position without having to stall.
Congrats to the Turtles: USA Biches and Buns157: 2/10/2016 20:14:42


Timinator 
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2 days 1 hour
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4 minutes
5 minutes
38 minutes
10 minutes
2 days 20 hours
1 minute
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2 days 3 hours
1 minute
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2 days 20 hours
2 days 23 hours
21 hours



Yeah, totally stalling... better watch closer next time Plat, to not embarass yourself publicly.
Congrats to the Turtles: USA Biches and Buns157: 2/10/2016 20:20:39


Kenny • apex 
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Looks like a busy week to me. Then again I play every game 2 days 20 hours every turn. I don't agree with your assessment Platinum. Turn 7 he still has Canada, and a border on Ant. Turn 9 he has a chance to steal Aus. It's not until Greenland is threatened/taken that this game is over. I think Buns was hoping he would be hesitant on Greenland and not hit it. (people have thrown like that before.) He surrenders after seeing Greenland broken. looks legit.

Edited 2/10/2016 20:24:24
Congrats to the Turtles: USA Biches and Buns157: 2/10/2016 21:05:03


Platinum
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May I just add, I am not debating about the actual game, As I said this is highly debatable and to be honest should be treated as a side argument. Obviously Timinator decided to take this part on itself and ignore my other and possible main argument.

It isn't the actual game itself I'm concerned about and when I reviewed it tbh I did at first thought it was legit, What drives the suspicion and made me bluntly accuse Buns of stalling was when he surrendered the game literally after he got his trophy. If I get a reason to explain that I will kill my post. If he had surrendered before that trophy was given, He wouldn't have it simple as that.
Congrats to the Turtles: USA Biches and Buns157: 2/10/2016 21:24:35

Purple Illusions 
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He was definitely stalling.

He surrenders turn 13 in a game that was pretty much decided turn 7.

It was his 21st game to finish, he waited 25 hours to surrender it after winning game 20, long enough for the trophy to show up.

Buns157 defeated ppface 10407231 2/6/2016 20:16:27 ppface: 2153


He took his last turn 12 hours after beating ppface, and then waited another 13 hours to surrender after the final turn was taken.

When he took the last turn frog had already taken that turn, so he immediately saw the results.

You telling me he needed 13 hours to decide he'd lost when he had 10 income and had just watched his opponent deploy 21 in front of his face?

Bullshit.

While it was game 21 to finish, it actually started before 6 of his first 20 games.

Buns157 defeated Bbraw 10383527 1/26/2016 19:48:48 Bbraw: 1899
Buns157 defeated GreyWulf 10373692 1/26/2016 17:40:40 GreyWulf: 1913
Buns157 defeated Hades 10371165 1/25/2016 13:49:57 Hades: 1987
Buns157 defeated ppface 10407231 2/6/2016 20:16:27 ppface: 2153
Buns157 defeated Nagato Yuki 10418095 2/3/2016 09:00:33 Nagato Yuki: 2011
Ragnarok defeated Buns157 10384168 1/31/2016 07:56:28 Ragnarok: 2224

Those all started after that game. And no, they didn't finish earlier because the games were shorter or because those opponents player faster than frog.

ppface was a 17 turn game, ppface had an average speed of 10 hours. Buns 5 hours.
Nagato 13 turn game, Nagato averages over 5 hours a turn, buns averages 16 minutes.
Ragnarok, 12 turn game, they both take 7 hour turns. Ragnarok's rating was high enough buns was willing to lose to him. Doing so likely raised buns rating rather than lowering it.
bbraw 12 turn game, both average under 5 minutes a turn.
12 turn game vs. wulf, both under 2 hours a turn.
hades, 11 turn game, both average 20-25 minute turns.

So, yeah, he totally averaged 22 hours one game, yet more than triple that speed in every other game without it being "stalling". It was just situational business, especially those 3 day turns near the end, I'm sure that explains exactly what was going on in his head.


Am I calling buns a bad player?

Nope.

But to pretend he wasn't stalling that game is willful ignorance on the part of people that like him rather than people looking at the game objectively.

Not to mention, he's still stalling vs. Dom365, and Alhazi, right now.

Edited 2/10/2016 23:01:54
Congrats to the Turtles: USA Biches and Buns157: 2/10/2016 21:27:03


Ottoman Emperor
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Stalling is not bad thing i think. If I want to get 1st right now i will Stall like crazy. Ofcourse I want 1st but I want to play now. I mean why you guys give a shit about Stalling so much
Congrats to the Turtles: USA Biches and Buns157: 2/10/2016 21:29:46

Purple Illusions 
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Last I checked everyone can't simultaneously be rank 1. As such the people that game the ladder prevent people better than themself who actually earned rank 1 from potentially ever getting it.

There have been several players in the past that never got rank 1 because they were consistently ranked below people who were making a mockery of the ladder.
Congrats to the Turtles: USA Biches and Buns157: 2/10/2016 21:50:46


Platinum
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Edited 2/10/2016 21:52:17
Congrats to the Turtles: USA Biches and Buns157: 2/11/2016 00:11:20


Hades
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Not to mention, he's still stalling vs. Dom365, and Alhazi, right now.

Not sure what kind of staller asks to play rt in the chat but ok.

Yeah he might have stalled for 13 hours to get the trophy, but I'm pretty sure he'll be 1st again soon
Congrats to the Turtles: USA Biches and Buns157: 2/11/2016 00:21:20


Platinum
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Yeah he might have stalled for 13 hours to get the trophy, but I'm pretty sure he'll be 1st again soon.

^^ That above is why I'm a bit upset. In general anyways..
Congrats to the Turtles: USA Biches and Buns157: 2/11/2016 03:03:14

smileyleg 
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Congrats as well guys.

Also I would say that simply having some awareness of the rankings and letting that possibly factor into your decision making is not necessarily stalling.

Say he's looking at one game and thinks it's 95% hopeless but maybe he still has a chance. Then he gets the tropy and thinks maybe it's not worth the effort to continue fighting.

I don't see how something like that is a problem at all.
Congrats to the Turtles: USA Biches and Buns157: 2/11/2016 04:20:31


almosttricky 
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Yeah, I feel like people are a little too sensitive to stalling sometimes. If your running across the map with all your armies, it is definitely stalling. If your unsure about your opponents income and still have a plan to win (even a long shot one) I don't feel its bad to continue.
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