I guess I don't really understand why this is illogical.

What if the inverse had occurred? Both people who lost the challenge paid up immediately. Blue Precision failed to pay up to the person that beat him. Blue Precision accomplished his goal (to get more people into the ladder) without having to pay the money. That is what he had to gain.

Obviously that did not occur because Blue Precision was very quick and honest about it, but if the person who made the offer refused to pay, then what? I don't know why the offerer is inherently more likely to pay up than the offer-taker other than the limited sample size that we have.

In any case, I don't really care. Not actually sure why I got into this. But did want to point out that it is not quite as easily a fixable problem as suggested.

I figured from the start that Gnomia wouldnt pay, his past comments on the forums didnt lead me to believe he would honor this agreement.He seemed to think he would be one of the best players on the site and Blue I think put an end to that.Not to mention he lied about his age and who knows what else for no reason.

Blue your a good man for doing this! Its to bad others cant be the same.

That didnt happen, blue paid right away! and everyone else who i have seen offer to do the same are all good people, i have played with them and I have no doubt that they will live up to there half.

I don't really care for the idea of making the challengers prepay. It will be too complicated if they do win.

But, I think you've far over-valuing the 'reward' of getting new members into the ladder. Do you think that would be worth someone losing their reputation?

Think about it. Blue Precision (and those who have extended the challenge) have committed to buying 'someone' a membership, it was just a matter of 'who?'. If they had no intention of paying, why bother making the offer in the first place? There really is no reward, it's just a generous offer. To call into question the integrity of those making the offer is pretty poor, imo.

Actually, maybe that's not right. Maybe the true answer is don't gamble for a free membership if you don't trust the person offering. Blue Precision made good. If you don't think Ruthless will make good, don't risk $30 to save $30 (or are memberships still $20 right now?). If the challenges get back on track and the rest set up new challenges, don't risk it if you don't trust them.

TypeSomething, the difference is that the people offering to do this challenge are people who have played on this site for a long time and have built up a reputation and furthermore have already invested $30 into the site. They have already established their credentials and have shown they care enough about the site and their reputation on the site.

I mean, what is more likely? Someone like Blue Precision, who has invested money already in a membership for himself and who cares about his reputation here, announces that he wants to do this challenge and then flakes out of it and doesn't pay up, or somebody random takes him up on his challenge and then flakes out?

Your statements aren't "illogical". People still have to trust in someone, you're right. I don't think anyone is disputing that. It's just that it's far, far less likely that someone like BP flakes out of his agreement then some random person who very few people know anything about.

Also, people like BP and Ruthless have people who can vouch for their character. If you knew them, you would realize that screwing people out of $30 just to increase ladder competition goes against what they really want. They ultimately want the site to grow and increase, and doing something shady like that would turn people away from wanting to play here is hardly what they want. Ruthless started the free membership tournament after all. BP, Ruthless, and the other people willing to fundroll this competition just want a more competitive and fun environment and to see Warlight "take off."

Also, I agree with Guy Mannington. I was fairly doubtful about Gnomia myself, but I had hopes that I would be wrong about it. :(

I would like to take you one Ruthless. I have actually played against you before, but you stomped on me.

Question to Fizzer.
If I don't have USD credit card then I can't make the payment until I get one, right? Is that the only way to purchase membership for now? Unfortunately, neither me, nor my friends have USD or multi-currency card. Registering that type of card would cost me additional 10 $ + spending some sum every month for servicing. And I don't need it at all.

...is there any possibility to use WebMoney system, for example?

PayPal supports many methods other than credit cards - this the main reason WarLight switched to PayPal.

Zaeban -- Thanks for letting us know. I hope to see you on soon.

Sir Fredrick -- I'll happily do a series with you but I can't invest that much time risk my money until the others have paid. In my mind, none of the losing parties have paid up and so I'm not going to be doing the challenge until that happens. You may be able to do it with another veteran player if they are up for it.

I think this particular challenge is designed for people that are on the fence about joining. Where they have the $30 and they are still deciding whether or not to join. This challenge helps them out with their decision and has a possibility to save them some money.

Don't forget that I'm from Ukraine. When I choose my country I'm suggested to pay either with my credit/debit card, or with PayPal account. To add funds to PayPal account I need U.S. bank account, which I don't have as well (and it seems to be the only way to add funds https://www.paypal.com/helpcenter/main.jsp;jsessionid=Dd7JNbfG1YkxyYRNZZN8RGQ9rp2xJL2wMmmnvlsrRvnTKTvpnf9C!1951120221?locale=en_US&_dyncharset=UTF-8&countrycode=UA&cmd=_help&serverInstance=9020&t=browseTab&sidetopic=11400031&opentopic=11400031 ).



Maybe I just didn't notice another one, more convenient way for me to pay on PayPal?..

@Ruthless

If you cannot trust anyone else based on 3 others that have not paid up, then maybe this thread should be closed. Just saying.

It isnt fair that these other no-payers have caused trust issues with all other non-member WL players that would be willing to pay up.

-Sir Frederick

I'm just sayin...3 out of the 3 haven't paid. Not entirely motivating. It's not that I don't trust everyone else. I just want to make sure the integrity of the bet holds true. I'd be happy to continue doing this wager but I want the others uphold their end before we move on.

From the sound of it, 2 of the 3 are having payment problems so we'll see how those pan out

Ruthless is right

C' mon, Fizzer. Just tell me whether there is way to pay in UAH or I obviously have to create USD bank account.
Thx

Unfortunately I don't know the answer, as I know very little about foreign currencies - I don't even know what UAH is. Please contact Paypal support - they'll be able to help you.

OK. Finally member. Friend from Italy buy me a membership. There is no way to buy from my country.
Is it lifetime?

They are indeed lifetime memberships.