Yeap, I'm the one embarassed here.

Trump said Mexico is sending rapists, etc, never said that the people coming here are rapists?

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And the Iran deal isn't bad. It's a good deal that will avoid iran from getting nuclear. And before you say I don't know nothing about it because I'm too liberal and if so I don't have brains, let me tell you that I've actually read a 30 pages report about the deal.

Just wondering, who is the author of that report?

@Zephyrum

The united states congress. I Read the short version, but I think there's a larger one available.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/nuke/R43333.pdf

It's a good read, but you need to feel strong about it hahaha

Here is the exact quote:

"When Mexico sends its people," Trump said during his presidential announcement, "they're not sending the best. They're not sending you, they're sending people that have lots of problems and they're bringing those problems. They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime. They're rapists and some, I assume, are good people, but I speak to border guards and they're telling us what we're getting."

With a hateful rhetoric and tone, his statement is undeniably coloured with prejudice and racism and offensive for the Mexican people, describing most of the immigrants as criminal, but give me any figures and serious analysis supporting this please.

'Trump is racist'

One thing racists always do is skew the facts and he has done it on multiple occasions with statistics that were totally off base, but this is how you stir up the right wing, feed them what they want to hear.
Keeping in your own biased judgement Pulsey you keep neglecting the truth because after all you never had any objectivity in any of these political debates.

But it's really better to be a white poor then anything else poor.

What's your proof for this? The race baiting and class warfare is really not appropriate for post-Civil Rights America. A black poor person = asian poor person = latino poor person = white poor person.

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But it's really better to be a white poor then anything else poor.

What's your proof for this? The race baiting and class warfare is really not appropriate for post-Civil Rights America. A black poor person = asian poor person = latino poor person = white poor person.

One significant difference is in the criminal justice system.

https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/assets/141027_iachr_racial_disparities_aclu_submission_0.pdf

ETA:
Of course this doesn't mean white people can't be poor - it merely serves to illustrate that there are differences.

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Ok, from what I can tell, TeamGuns is getting cooked by Pulsey and should just quit now. Angry Koala comes in and makes a fool of himself: "With a hateful rhetoric and tone, his statement is undeniably coloured with prejudice and racism and offensive for the Mexican people, describing most of the immigrants as criminal, but give me any figures and serious analysis supporting this please"

First of all, MEXICAN ISN'T A FUCKING RACE. Now that we cleared that up: "With a hateful rhetoric and tone, his statement is undeniably coloured with prejudice and racism and offensive for the Mexican people". It isn't prejudiced or racist at all. Where do most drugs come into America from? Mexico. Who brings the drugs? People illegally crossing the border, also know as illegal immigrants. You use outlandish rhetoric: he said illegal immigrants, not immigrants in general, so "describing most of the immigrants as criminal" is a false statement. Finally, there was the part where he said "When Mexico sends its people", implying it isn't the people voluntarily just coming, but the criminals, drug dealers and rapists that Mexico is happy to have off its hands.

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Oh God, I feel dirty that I agree with Pulsey for once. I find it funny you're calling him biased and non-objective. You realize he lives in China right? You're the guys who live under the media that is explicitly trying to sell you the idea that Trump is Satan. You're calling him a racist based on 1 quote since you can't find another quote that will fuel your argument. Before you jump on me for being a Trump supporter, lol nope. I think he's a horrible presidential candidate, but I'm not stupid enough to think the dude is the most racist, bigoted person that the world has ever seen like the media wants you to believe. He's not racist. He's probably a bit bigoted, but I've listened to his speeches in context, he's just not racist. The bigotry comes from wanting to ban all Muslims from entry into the US until we can fix the system. It makes sense to create a ban for problematic countries until we fix the system, but his point was bigoted in that sense. The Mexican quote? That's not even close to racist. He made that speech after we caught 3 illegal immigrant rapists in California and info was publicized about illegals and their criminal record. Calling the sky blue isn't racism, it's calling the sky blue.

Do you want to know why both parties don't want to fix the immigration system? It's actually very easy to understand. Republicans actually tried to pass a bill through in order to secretly naturalize a lot of these illegals since they knew the Democrats would let it through as well. Why would you naturalize these people? Voters. Politics is a numbers game, and if you can ensure yourself a lead in certain areas, then you'll pass the bill. If a bill like that were to be passed, but obstructed by the Repubs, the Dems publicize the info and suddenly all of the illegals they just naturalize vote for the Dems. If the Repubs actually make the bill, the illegals they naturalized could vote for them (but would probably vote Dem anyways because Repubs are retarded).

So the media and the politicians don't care about the crime, drug war, or logistics of the situation, they care about how do we create as many voters to secure our party a lead. That's why this illegal immigration stuff is important. The only people with sense that are still in the race and actually care about having an immigration system that cuts away the criminals are Trump and Cruz. The problem is that the media doesn't even have an out of context quote from Cruz that could even be warped racist, and also they don't think he can win the nomination anyways. So they focus all their efforts on Trump, because he doesn't want to play ball with the political parties or media anyways.

I like turtles

All I have to say

is that anyone who doesn't see Trump as slightly racist or sexist at all

is likely subconsciously racist or sexist themselves

Calling the sky blue isn't racism, it's calling the sky blue.

Except Trump called the sky green when he suggested that a significant portion of illegal immigrants are rapists, when that just isn't true.

"find it funny you're calling him biased and non-objective. You realize he lives in China right?"

Last time I checked he was in Australia.
But anyway if you are talking about China, no he was in Hong Kong, and Mainland China and HK are different. I was also living in China 2 years ago, mainland China for 6 months, and so what? Tell me how this is relevant with trump's quote and the discussion about it?

"I'm not stupid enough to think the dude is the most racist, bigoted person that the world has ever seen like the media wants you to believe. He's not racist."

Never explicitly mentioned Trump as racist, if you read other participations I even said I actually believe he was not 'personally racist', nevertheless he many times had racist statements. This is why he is even more dangerous, this guy is a liar, not believing in his own words, trying to attract a populist electorate, in Europe we would consider this electorate as far right without a doubt, it is not really surprising to see Trump's strategy being quite similar to some other far right leaders such as Le Pen.

"The Mexican quote? That's not even close to racist. "

Not close to racist? misinformation on immigrants (as he explicitly mentioned most of migrants were criminals), targeting a community with a hateful rhetoric and tone this is not close to racist? It seems we aren't reading the same statement.

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"Except Trump called the sky green when he suggested that a significant portion of illegal immigrants are rapists, when that just isn't true."
A lot of them are criminals, whether drug dealers, rapists, murderers, or thieves.

A lot of them are criminals, whether drug dealers, rapists, murderers, or thieves.

An analysis of 2010 Census data in a report from the American Immigration Council, shows that 1.6 percent of immigrant males 18 to 39 years old were incarcerated, compared to 3.3 percent of native-born males. That disparity in incarceration rates has been consistent in the decennial Census since 1980, the report says.

Keep listening to politicians' lies, let them brainwash you. Each time you are listening to a politician you should at least inform yourself and find serious analysis and stats supporting or not a politician's statement.

A lot of them are criminals, whether drug dealers, rapists, murderers, or thieves.

It just isn't true. Most illegal immigrants come to the US so they can live a better life, not commit crime.
https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/files/2015/07/aggfelonsCRS.jpg&w=1484

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"1.6 percent of immigrant males 18 to 39 years old were incarcerated, compared to 3.3 percent of native-born males. "
We are talking about ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS! THEY ARE NOT THE SAME AS LEGAL IMMIGRANTS! STOP SPREADING DISINFORMATION!.

"It just isn't true. Most illegal immigrants come to the US so they can live a better life, not commit crime."
1). Trump only mentioned Mexican illegals (who are, I would guess, be more likely to be drug dealers).
2). Trump was only speaking of the people Mexico was sending/encouraging to come here, to rid their country of criminals.

Your first point is pure racism. You have nothing backing that up.
Secondly, Mexico isn't encouraging ANYONE to come over! Where are you getting that from?!

Strawpoll:

Which is more important?

Brexit
US Presidential Election
North Korea's Hydrogen Bomb

http://strawpoll.me/7028816

It's like when states were giving homeless people bus tickets to San Francisco to rid their city of the homeless people so another state/city could deal with that problem. We're talking specifically on illegal immigrants, no one is wanting to impede legal immigration. We want to stop our illegal immigration problem. To update the process so that the good people don't feel the need to pick the illegal method, and the bad people are stopped anyways. Why are you giving us an image from the Washington Post Epicular? That's a horrible source.

Not close to racist? misinformation on immigrants (as he explicitly mentioned most of migrants were criminals), targeting a community with a hateful rhetoric and tone this is not close to racist? It seems we aren't reading the same statement.

Mmk, so where does he say that legal immigrants are criminals? Where does he target a law-abiding community with hateful rhetoric. Do you live in a state on the Mexican border? I live in Houston, and get the local media outlets for the cities near me. I don't think you understand the extent of the illegal immigration problem. It's even worse that the politicians want to eventually naturalize these illegals (read the bill Rubio and the Repubs tried to pass in collusion with the Dems). No, we have to stop that problem. Yes, we have to identify the problem. There are criminals illegally getting into our country. Why is it racist to condemn them?