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The Martian Rants: ScrewAttack's "death battle.": 3/8/2016 23:55:24


Darth Darth Binks
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ScrewAttack (SA) is a Youtube channel that pits pop culture characters against each other, analyzing their skills to see who would beat whom in a battle to the death. That's what the hosts Wiz and Boomstick claim they do, at least.

Many of their videos are cool and enjoyable. You often learn facts about characters that you didn't know before, and the final simulated fight is always pretty cool to watch. BUT. There are a few "DEATH BATTLES" that I just cannot make sense of.

1.) Deadpool vs Deathstroke:
These are both American comic book characters, with Deathstroke being the inspiration for Deadpool. They had Deadpool win this one, apparently because his regeneration factor is MUCH quicker than Deathstroke's. I can't agree with this, because Deathstroke's mind thinks 9 times quicker than the average mind. He sees, interprets, and reacts to things 9 TIMES FASTER than anyone else. If this fight were accurate, it would never actually end. Deadpool's regeneration factor would allow him to stay alive, and Deathstroke would just avoid anything thrown at him. They have Deadpool use this sword that is able to cancel out regenerative factors, but that sword and the stuff it's made out of only exists in Marvel. SA gave the weapon the benefit of the doubt, and assumed it would have the same effects in a different universe, but at the same time didn't let Deathstroke know what it was made out of and that it would stunt his healing factor.


2.) Goku vs Superman 1 and 2:
This argument isn't to say that Goku should have won. Goku would have lost either way. I have a gripe with how Supes won. One of SA's rules is that the characters' personalities and morals would be changed so that they would kill their enemies, yet when Goku comes across Kryptonite, he destroys it, saying that it was unfair to fight like that. REALLY SA!? So you're saying, SA, that having Goku's morality stick around to destroy Kryptonite is not against your rules? If you won't let him use the rock, don't put that scene in there in the first place, ya bastards! And then they have to balls to have Superman DESTROY THE WORLD in order to kill Goku! Superman's #1 no-no is DESTROYING THE WORLD. He does not let Earth be destroyed. Why is Goku not allowed to use Kryptonite when Superman is allowed to Destroy the world he swore to protect!? Screw you, ScrewAttack!
And then in the second one, they have Superman WALK through a Kamehameha wave of full force. I'm sorry, what? I know they wanted to make a point of Supes being stronger than Goku, but having him WALK through Goku's strongest move that won't result in planet-busting is a little much.

3.) Gaara vs Toph:
Screw this match tbh. ScrewAttack either did piss poor research, or is extremely bias toward Avatar: the Last Airbender. Gaara of the Desert is a main-ish character from the "Naruto" franchise. He has the ability to control sand, or rather, his sand, which is somehow the embodiment of Gaara's mom, the only one who always loved him. Although he has the ability to control the sand, due to it being his mother's soul, the sand seemingly moves on its own, if anything tries to even touch Gaara, let alone harm him. As he grows stronger, he has no real need for the sand to do this, but it still can.
Toph is a main character of Avatar: the Last Airbender. She is an earthbender, and can control any form of earth, and seemingly every metal, on the planet. She is blind, and sees with her feet through vibrations. She used to have trouble with sand, but has fixed that throughout her years, and can bend sand, as well. In the sequel to A:TLA, it is revealed that Toph grew on to be able to see everything on the planet. She can apparently see earth when it is in the sky, so says SA. Personally, I think she can just tell how long it will take for a projectile to reach her by how it was thrown. I mean, she grew up seeing with her feet, it's not that far-fetched. In fact, it makes the most sense; plus, when she is sitting on the flying Bison, she cannot see anything, not even Earth below. Why would she be able to see earth projectiles in the sky, but not be able to see a f*cking planet below her? Smells like bullsh*t to me. Regardless, it's never outright explained either way.

They nerfed Gaara outright. They were supposed to use both characters in their primes, but when the fight started, Gaara immediately went into his "Ultimate Defense," something he only did in his younger years. They had Toph traveling faster than the eye could see, although I can forgo this as their animation is not the best. They had Gaara getting fatigued. The man led in a war against a villain whose creator made so strong that, for a while, he didn't know how to kill him off. Gaara stopped an Earth-devastating meteorite with his sand, and continued to fight, only becoming basically useless just in time for the main character to come in and whoop ass. Don't you f*cking tell me, SA, that Gaara would get tired by fighting a bitchy girl for 5 minutes. Now this last reason is the reason I absolutely hate this DB. THEY HAD TOPH CONTROL GAARA'S SAND. This is the same f*cking sand that won't let anything happen to Gaara, because the sand is GAARA'S MOTHER! Toph would have to be able to bend souls and mothers in order to take control of Gaara's sand. But do you want to hear SA's justification? "Sand is still sand." FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

4.) Kirby vs Majin Buu:
Kirby should have been turned into candy and eaten. This DB is retardation. First off, let me say that one of SA's rules is that characters cannot receive outside help. The first thing that happens is that Kirby is able to eat characters from his universe. But you know what, that's fine, that's okay, because that's Kirby's power, absorbing people and taking their abilities. That is Buu's power, as well, which is the point of the battle. But they don't let Buu absorb the people he did absorb from DBZ, because that is considered outside help, according to SA. That means that Buu cannot reach his strongest form, Super Buu. They will let Kirby absorb people from his universe, but won't let Buu do the same. Bullshit.
They also have Kirby stockpiling things in his stomach. That's not how Kirby works. Once he eats it, he gains its power. They had Kirby stockpile this overpowered fruit; in fact, he had it in his stomach since before the fight.k THAT'S NOT HOW KIRBY WORKS!


I would not be this mad about something, if SA didn't take itself seriously. they claim that they do research. They claim that they are legit.

tl;dr: Screw ScrewAttack.

Stay edgy, and have a nice time.
The Martian Rants: ScrewAttack's "death battle.": 3/9/2016 00:15:50


Zephyrum 
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I have a gripe with how Supes won. One of SA's rules is that the characters' personalities and morals would be changed so that they would kill their enemies, yet when Goku comes across Kryptonite, he destroys it, saying that it was unfair to fight like that. REALLY SA!? So you're saying, SA, that having Goku's morality stick around to destroy Kryptonite is not against your rules? If you won't let him use the rock, don't put that scene in there in the first place, ya bastards! And then they have to balls to have Superman DESTROY THE WORLD in order to kill Goku! Superman's #1 no-no is DESTROYING THE WORLD. He does not let Earth be destroyed. Why is Goku not allowed to use Kryptonite when Superman is allowed to Destroy the world he swore to protect!? Screw you, ScrewAttack!


LOL This I wholeheartedly agree with. This is one big gouddamn fail they made. It's a pretty simple math:

-Got Kryptonite?
-Fighting in a place too far away from any sort of stars to give power to Superman?

If either is yes, Goku wins.

But a situation where both are "No" are just way more common. And if you want to be impartial, no such special conditions. So Superman wins quite unquestionably - that Kryptonite scene was useless.

Personally, I think she can just tell how long it will take for a projectile to reach her by how it was thrown. I mean, she grew up seeing with her feet, it's not that far-fetched. In fact, it makes the most sense; plus, when she is sitting on the flying Bison, she cannot see anything, not even Earth below


Her sense allows her to predict every projectile that is composed of earth-related material. Sand included.

THEY HAD TOPH CONTROL GAARA'S SAND. This is the same f*cking sand that won't let anything happen to Gaara, because the sand is GAARA'S MOTHER! Toph would have to be able to bend souls and mothers in order to take control of Gaara's sand. But do you want to hear SA's justification? "Sand is still sand."


Ummm, sorry bra, but it's still sand. Even if it's somehow "souls with sand", she can bend metal because metals are basically "metal with earth", so yeah, the living sand may actually struggle against it, but it would be something she's able to bend.

That means that Buu cannot reach his strongest form, Super Buu. They will let Kirby absorb people from his universe, but won't let Buu do the same. Bullshit.


Buu's strongest form is Kid Buu. And he does become it during the fight. Not Super Buu. Super Buu is just the evil counterpart of the normal Fat Buu. It's a good point that they are only absorbing from Kirby's universe and not DBZ's, but still, Buu actually did absorb a Blade Knight.

They had Kirby stockpile this overpowered fruit; in fact, he had it in his stomach since before the fight.k THAT'S NOT HOW KIRBY WORKS!


Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaactually, he can stockpile powers inside of him. See "Milky Way Wishes" from Kirby Super Star (and it's DS remake, Kirby Super Star Ultra) - when he obtains an Essence, he can stockpile the essence's energy to transform anywhere, anytime. He never did it with that overpowered fruit, but he did with basically every other form he has (even Copycat Kirby, which would allow him to copy Buu's planet destroying attacks and use for his own without needing to inhale or even TOUCH Buu for that matter; just looking at him does it).

In theory, Kirby does not have nearly as much destructive power as Buu, but is MUCH extremely more resilient, and is a faster combatant with the Warp Star. Buu was tanky enough to handle anything Kirby can throw at him, but not powerful enough to harm Kirby properly. Kirby's tankyness is actually NERFED in the video, since in KSS/KSSU he actually survives the explosion from the collision of the Nova, an all-powerful planet sized being capable of granting ANY wish + Marx, who, at the time, had wished to have supreme power over Pop Star. Basically the collision between two planet sized objects, after one was brutally thrown into the other. He escaped it without a single damn scratch or feeling any sort of physical pain. So if Buu can explode one planet, Kirby doesn't care. Two? Still doesn't care. For him to feel pain or even get to the point they can hurt or kill Kirby, he'll probably need a lot more power than he can handle.

As a result, Kirby could win, but in a harder, much longer fight based on stalling and using Copycat Kirby to damage Buu, and the results would probably include the destruction of several planets.

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To be fair, ScrewAttack's judgements are actually sort of biased, but they aren't really far from being impartial. They do it well, and few were the battles I actually disagreed with the winner. To name one, Robocop vs the Terminator. But they still do pretty well, in my opinion at least.

They do take themselves more seriously than they should, though; but it's that confidence on what they say that makes people actually agree to their results, and, as such, like the series. Showing confidence on your own words helps make it hard to counter your arguments.

Similar to MatPat from GameTheorists, if you ask me; except what MatPat says, when not talking about general physics and math, is so easily noticed to be bullshit that it's actually pretty funny and hard to defend.

Do they take themselves seriously on the inside? I don't know, but as long as they do on the outside, they will be getting audience, and that's their ultimate goal, probably - so I don't see many flaws on their style. Snobby, but well-thought.

Edited 3/9/2016 00:17:30
The Martian Rants: ScrewAttack's "death battle.": 3/9/2016 01:40:37


Darth Darth Binks
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Buu's strongest form is Kid Buu. And he does become it during the fight. Not Super Buu. Super Buu is just the evil counterpart of the normal Fat Buu. It's a good point that they are only absorbing from Kirby's universe and not DBZ's, but still, Buu actually did absorb a Blade Knight.

Kid Buu is the most dangerous, not the strongest. He is like a rabid animal. He will attack anything that so much as moves with as much power as he can and he doesn't think things through. Super Buu is indeed the strongest form of Buu. Still has a short temper, but can calculate and think and has more power. He also absorbed Gotenks, Gohan, Piccolo and Majin Buu. He reverts back to Kid Buu after losing these power ups.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaactually, he can stockpile powers inside of him. See "Milky Way Wishes" from Kirby Super Star (and it's DS remake, Kirby Super Star Ultra) - when he obtains an Essence, he can stockpile the essence's energy to transform anywhere, anytime. He never did it with that overpowered fruit, but he did with basically every other form he has (even Copycat Kirby, which would allow him to copy Buu's planet destroying attacks and use for his own without needing to inhale or even TOUCH Buu for that matter; just looking at him does it).

Huh. My bad, then.

Ummm, sorry bra, but it's still sand. Even if it's somehow "souls with sand", she can bend metal because metals are basically "metal with earth", so yeah, the living sand may actually struggle against it, but it would be something she's able to bend.

My counterpoints:
1) Again, this is the sand that is the soul of Gaara's mother. It doesn't let anything happen to Gaara. Only three people have outdone his sand: Rock Lee, who was too fast for the sand to keep up with; Sasuke Uchiha, whose techniques were main character level and therefore able to break through; and Deidara, whose explosive techniques left Gaara in a comatose state.
2) None of these examples show Gaara's sand being manipulated by someone else. It never has been done in the series. In the Avatar franchise, only once (to my knowledge) has an earth/metal bender taken control of something that was already being controlled by another, and it looked like something to do with forces (the physics kind) helping the individual take control and throw it back. Toph would have to be strong enough to wrestle control of Gaara's sand from the sand itself and Gaara, since he is can control it, too.
The Martian Rants: ScrewAttack's "death battle.": 3/9/2016 01:41:55


Darth Darth Binks
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Another person has bested his sand. They used water. I forget who it was, though.
The Martian Rants: ScrewAttack's "death battle.": 3/9/2016 01:44:44


Thomas 633
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Oh, I think they are inconsistent as hell. Oh, and they made spongebob fight someone from memory... ruining childhood memories, one at a time
The Martian Rants: ScrewAttack's "death battle.": 3/9/2016 01:48:37


Zephyrum 
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I didn't watch Naruto, so I can't say the specific details of Gaara's sand.

He also absorbed Gotenks, Gohan, Piccolo and Majin Buu. He reverts back to Kid Buu after losing these power ups.


That Buu had absorbed by itself the Grand Supreme Kai. It is explicitely said that, despite expecting Kid Buu's power to grow immensely after absorbing the most powerful being in the universe, his power actually decreased brutally into the much weaker Fat Buu (he's weaker for a fact; Kid Buu fought him and won with ease).

I don't know if the English dub changed this, but it was said that Kid Buu was the strongest form, for he no longer had the burden of the Grand Supreme Kai weakening him from the inside. Super Buu himself was afraid of Kid Buu - he says "No! Please! If you do that, I'll no longer be myself!" when Vegeta threatens to peel Fat Buu (with the Grand Supreme Kai absorbed) out of his stomach. That's valid for both the original japanese AND the brazilian portuguese dub.
The Martian Rants: ScrewAttack's "death battle.": 3/9/2016 02:04:09


Von Jewburg
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I expect better rants than this, Darth.
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