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Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 00:17:19


Major General Smedley Butler
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I have come up with some things that would improve the state of the world and the country greatly.

MILITARY REFORMS

1. Cut the budget by 90%
2. Dismantle half of the nuclear arsenal, keep it run by the old software/hardware, but keep it in good condition.
3. There is about 2 million in the Armed Forces. Cut that by 1.5 million.
4. Make 7 of the ten aircraft carriers museums funded by the states that they were built in, disable their nuclear reactors.
5. Ban the selling of anything besides small arms to the police.
6. Sell small arms at surplus stores
7. Give non-discriminatory militias artillery ,armored personnel carriers, helicopters and reconnaissance planes.
8. Militias can only buy equipment if 70% of their members have a weapon that can fire standard NATO rounds
9. Militias are actively encouraged to cooperate with other militias close by, to ensure that in any invasion militias will be able to hold their ground, go towards the front without issue and militias running low on supplies can be supplied in case.
10. The army and the militias shall never engage in law enforcement unless the normal police agencies engage in corruption and anti-liberty activities (rounding up guns, attacking peaceful protesters, killing people for nothing). In this case, the militia and army can freely act against the police agency in question to stop violation of basic human rights.
11. If local police turn a blind eye to discrimination based on race, gender, religious belief, sexual orientation, or political belief that turns violent in anyway besides throwing fruit or vegetables , local militia can intervene on behalf of the party being discriminated against.
12. Militias cannnot discriminate against any group, or they will not receive aid from the government in the form of selling equipment to it.
12a. These groups include the LGBT+ community, all ethnicities and races, political groups that are non-violent, all genders and religions.
13. In the case of invasion, the military can make drafts of physically capable males and females from the age of 18 to 45.
14. The Deacons for Defense and Justice will be named a "Heroic group" as they fought for the liberty of African Americans in the south against the KKK.
14a. The Black Panthers will be named a "Heroic Group" as they fought against the government when it actively attacked oppressed minorities.
14b. The Bundy Militia will be named a "Heroic Group" as they fought (passively) against government attacks on farmers and ranchers.
15. Finally, the Alien technology will only be used when any US territory or state is in danger of invasion.
Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 00:18:37


Major General Smedley Butler
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(Will add about other sectors later)
Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 00:24:52


TeamGuns 
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WTF is this plan for reformation of the military??? It's a very bad one. You can't dismantle the army of a country and sell top military weapons to militias. You can't expect them to use it responsibly, your plan can possibly end in crazy militia leaders using their force to their own advantages.

Give average citizens tanks and let them form a militia to protect their state, THAT'S GONNA WORK WELL!

There's no advantage at doing this:
- Power will most likely be abused.
- The government won't have strengh to defend itself from external threats, as the "military organisations" are totally decentralized.


I do think the military is too expensive in the US and that cuts should be made, but this plan is just doomed to do way more evil then good.
Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 00:28:06


GeneralPE
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m8, black panthers aren't heroic. 90% seems excessive, and already built carriers should continue to be used - militias aren't good at being navies. Keep most of the air force, the navy, and the marines, cut most of the Army and denationalize the Guard. I like the idea of giving shit to militias and making them OP, but what do you mean by 'discrimination'. Do they have to do crap against groups? Or would simply, say, supporting a certain candidate be seen as 'discriminatory'? Is a Christian group not letting in Satanists 'discrimination'? Too grey for me. Just make sure they aren't dangerously violent or extreme.
Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 00:31:19


TeamGuns 
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The stuff is that any terrorist group is a problem. The black panthers weren't heroes, they were terrorists, let's call it by their true name. You can't start to kill people to defend your rights. Turning militias into "OP organisations" will just make them dangerous to the country itself.
Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 00:32:14


[AOE] JaiBharat909
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#2, 5, 6, and 14b all sound really really really good. And 4.

Edited 3/28/2016 00:32:28
Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 00:33:53


GeneralPE
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The government won't have strengh to defend itself from external threats, as the "military organisations" are totally decentralized.

The government shouldn't defend itself; it is of and for the people, and should defend them. People will fight like a son-of-a-bitch to defend themselves, whether they are militiamen or in the Army. By making the militias official, the gov't can coordinate with and between them in war time. The national military should not be a "Department of Defense", leave that to the people. They should concern themselves with overseas operations.

Power will most likely be abused.

The government will still have an army, just smaller, which would still carry weight. And the various militia factions squabbling would prevent any one of them from abusing power.

EDIT:
You can't start to kill people to defend your rights.

We seem to disagree on that. If someone is denying me my rights, I definitely have the right to fight back.

Edited 3/28/2016 00:35:42
Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 00:39:56


TeamGuns 
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The government shouldn't defend itself


I was implying there of course the country, not the institution itself.


The government will still have an army, just smaller, which would still carry weight. And the various militia factions squabbling would prevent any one of them from abusing power.


It's unlikely that militias competition would prevent abuse of power, as every militia would cover one area. Why, and how would the militia of Washington prevent the abuse of power from the militia of California??

Plus, you all seem to forget that conventional fighting probably won't save the US from a war, it's unlikely that someone would invade it, just nuclear bomb the crap out of the country and that's it.


EDIT, to answer your EDIT:

I have the fight to fight back through protests and peaceful movements, not by killing people that want me to deny my rights. You're just reducing yourself to the level of your opressor. And don't fucking say it doesn't work, Gandhi and his peaceful protests beated the largest empire the earth has ever seen, Mandela and his peaceful protests beated one of the most opressive and injust regimes as well.

Killing will just make your ennemy strike harder, and soon you can have a civil war like we do in Syria. Do you think the situation improved since people started to fight against the gvt? Or are we in a shitier position then before?

Edited 3/28/2016 00:44:01
Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 00:40:19


Major General Smedley Butler
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The Black Panthers defended black communities against the police and were generally tolerant. I am talking about the old black panthers, not the new ones.

The navy is bloated and meant for patrolling every ocean in the world. Manning all those ships is expensive, the risk is very small of a proper invasion so no reason for that big of a navy.

The militias have a dual purpose. Defending the nation against foreign threats , and domestic threats. Domestic threats like corrupt and bloated police agencies are the largest threat to the liberty of the entire US. Their strength ensures that any conflict with a police agency will end in that police agency being promptly routed, with militias taking the defeated police remnants and giving them fair trials.
Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 00:47:41


Genghis 
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Jesu christe WHY EVERYBODY COPYING GENGHIS 24/7 I THOUGHT I WATERMARKED THIS IDEA
Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 00:49:50


DomCobb
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Critique:
1) 90% seems quite huge, and could leave the military unfunded.
2) Should put nuclear arsenal to good use. Use scrapped missiles to convert into nuclear energy.
3) Yet again, a quite huge cut.
4) No comment.
5) Even for riots? That could pose a few problems.
6) No comment.
7) Why would militias need all of those?
8) No comment.
9) Seems quite odd to be trusting many small and disorganized groups to protect the nation instead of a strong and central army.
10) That's going to make a bad situation WORSE, not better.
11) Same point as 10.
12) What's going to stop them from collecting funds and becoming self sufficient?
12a) No objection.
13) No objection.
14) No comment.
14a) No. Encouraging violent protests against government would have bad side effects.
14b) No comment.
15) No comment.
Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 00:54:36


TeamGuns 
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Ofc a mob will give a fair trial to police officers accused of corruption, because the human genre is great and fair, it would never end in a bunch of people getting lynched.
Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 00:57:22


[AOE] JaiBharat909
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I think the MGSB's title explains the need for policies 1-14 quite well.

The numbers may be in dispute and are open to debate I think, but the overall purpose of the policies would end a lot of the current problems with the US government including police militarization, war hawkishness, and excessive government attacks on our civil liberties. However I was surprised not to see anything mentioned on TSA, Drones, NSA spying and data collection, or State's Rights.
Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 01:00:33


Major General Smedley Butler
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Spying things is going to be another part.

States' Rights are lesser than individual rights, and I don't really want to encourage states to make state-wide militias.
Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 01:02:08


GeneralPE
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cuz Texas would dick on everyone?
Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 01:07:54


Major General Smedley Butler
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I don't want anyone pulling a Mohhamed Ali Pasha. Local militias don't have the ability to do this, but hypothetical state militias would.
Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 01:42:41


TeamGuns 
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The smaller the organisation, the smaller will be the oversight on it, and it's easier for them to abuse power locally.
Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 01:52:30


Major General Smedley Butler
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The smaller the organization, the less likely they'll split off and declare the republic of West Florida. These are local organizations that do not police and are merely in place to defend against police tyranny and foreign invasion. The chance of Rich robbing his neighbor is pretty low , and it's not like police that take a small minority from a neighboring community and make them police a different neighborhood to make sure they can have complete control, these are people who train every once in a while and that live in the place they're protecting.
Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 02:14:27


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Ofc, the smaller the organisation, and the smaller the chance for it to become a real threat to the nation, but the more you have of those, the harder is the oversight.

You'd have either to spend billion dollars a year to correctly oversight thousands of militias, and let's speak frankly here, that's not gonna happen, or you won't do oversight at all, and that's a fucking problem.

You can't dismantle the army and give the duty of defending the army to paramilitary organisations, that's not a good plan. Specially in our modern times.
Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 02:34:56


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How is it not a good plan? The government spends way too much on the army when it's pretty much unneeded , the chances of a actual invasion are slim to none and this is a check against the blue shirts. The biggest threat to the US right now is the police and the government, this plan neuters them.
Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 02:39:50


Major General Smedley Butler
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Specially in our modern times

In our modern times governments engaging in democide have killed 260 million people. If you include casualties in war , the number jumps to 350 million. Sorry I don't want police going door to door killing minorities because of some tripe about them being a threat to the country's integrity. I don't want the government to be intervening overseas constantly and killing thousands. The neutering of the military puts interventionism on standstill.
Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 02:41:42


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It would neuter the police and the government abuse of authority problems, but it would create others you might not be able to solve later.

Plus, I'd say the biggest threat to the US and your democray isn't the police or the government, but corporations and climate change. The first ones because they buy your government to defend their interests, and the second one because we're all screwed anyway if we destroy our planet.
Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 02:46:08


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To the 2nd msg: Major, the problem on those matters isn't on government, but on the people who run it. Go see, idk Sweden. It has a police, a military, politicians, and they haven't killed minorities or entered stupid wars over the years. They didn't needed a militia to sto p that.

I do however agree that the politicians who control the army and the police need to be closely watched to avoid them doing iresponsible things that were done over the years in america.
Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 02:47:25


Major General Smedley Butler
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Corporations don't buy the government, the government buys the corporations.

Fox News: propaganda
CNN: propaganda
MSNBC: propaganda
Food corporations: Mass produced foodstuffs to keep the population up for a big army
Energy corporations: lots of energy that hurts nature , but provides for the US

In exchange, the US doesn't sink their teeth into them.
Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 02:52:13


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You're giving every part of the political spectrum an arm of violence, many of which have differing ideas and plans. Some groups might be triggered by a black person being convicted, while others might be triggered by police brutally arresting someone. Whatever the pretense is, you've given a Cassius Belli for these groups to legally be able to cause mayhem.
"If local police turn a blind eye to discrimination based on race, gender, religious belief, sexual orientation, or political belief that turns violent in anyway besides throwing fruit or vegetables , local militia can intervene on behalf of the party being discriminated against."
Wouldn't this just cause a riot?
Example:
Policeman beats Person A.
Group 1 sides with Person A, so they attack police.
Police and Group 1 fight.
While fight drags on, many come out to show support for both sides in other parts of town. As the group sees that the protesters are acting against human rights, they call for their group to attack.
Clashes begin thought town.
Lotting begins of enemy shops, houses etc.
At the end of the riot, the town is left in chaos.
Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 02:56:04


DomCobb
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“Republicans originally thought that Fox worked for us and now we’re discovering we work for Fox.”
David Frum, former speechwriter for George W. Bush
Also, if the govt. buys the corporations, then why is there lobbying?
Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 02:57:42


Major General Smedley Butler
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Sweden got wrecked economically by socialism, doesn't have sizable minorities and can't fight any of it's neighbors.

1815: Well that was painful and dangerous, we'll be neutral from now on
1905: Well, we don't really have the resources to beat off Norway and it might attract stronger countries to get involved, go on Norway, be free
1914: Well, I knew it would happen again , time to sit around, can't beat any of them
1939: Same as 1914, except its time to tap Prussia's phone
1945: Too weak, don't want fight the Soviets or Americans
2016: What can we even do at this point? America owns Europe.

Countries do things when they can, unless they are limited by either the people or their own inherent weakness. America is strong, it is time to limit it via the people.
Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 03:00:48


Major General Smedley Butler
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The militia in your scenario would practically dominate the police from the onset, the police are beaten , most surrender or run away and peace comes back. The people protest, show support for the police, it's their right to.
Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 03:02:50


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Also, if the govt. buys the corporations, then why is there lobbying?

Politicians buying each other to their cause.
Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 03:09:56


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President Benjamin Censored!

US Government Budget Today:

Pensions 1.2 Trillion
Health Care 1.5 Trillion
Education 1 Trillion
Defense 831 Billion
Welfare 456 Billion
Protection 288 Billion
Transportation 297 Billion
General Government 181 Billion
Other Spending 531 Billion
Interest 351 Billion

Federal Tax Income 3.25 Trillion
Total Spending 6.725 Trillion
Export Income 2.25 Trillion
Gross -1.225 Trillion

Altered Budget:

Pensions 1 Trillion - Offer to people who were employed for 30 or more years.
Health Care 600 Billion - Privitize, little/no subsidies.
Education 150 Million - States should control this, destroy department of education. The remaining budget should be for paying existing workers/designing non-required tests.
Defense 500 Billion - Reduce nuclear arsenal to 250 Warheads (can destroy the whole world anyways), promote militias, reduce police force/national army.
Welfare 150 Billion - Give 10,000$ a year to the very poor - bottom 5%
Protection 300 Billion - this is a fine number, reduce a bit
Transportation 325 Billion - Reduce/Eliminate uses for cars with major buses/trains/plane innovation
Infrastructure 250 Billion - Build cities like the Gulf States, and crazy new innovative constructions.
General Government 75 Billion - Pay the workers much much less.
Other Spending 250 Billion - Most of this is pointless spending or imports, we can be more self-sufficient.
War on Drugs Revamp 100 Billion - Eliminate DEA, use Switzerland method.

Federal Tax Income 2.45 Trillion
Total Spending 3.45 Trillion
Export Income 2.25 Trillion
Gross 1.15 Trillion

New tax system:

Under $20,000 a year/person over 18 - 2% tax rate
$20,000-$50,000 a year/person over 18 - 5% tax rate
$50,000-$100,000 a year/person over 18 - 10% tax rate
Over $100,000 a year/person over 18 - 15% tax rate

Unemployment would plummet to about 2%, with about 196,000,000 Americans working to make an average of about 100,000$ a year.

"Executive Orders":

Federal Reserve: Audit by congress, raise interest rate to 1%

Completely get rid of corporate subsidies for large businesses (If you are in S&P 500, you don't deserve money from the government).

Maybe instead of giving welfare, you should allow people to work jobs that nobody wants to do in exchange for a subsidy of like 10k a year bonus.

GMO labeling is mandatory, people MUST know what is in their food, audit the USDA & FDA by congress.

Audit/Eliminate the IRS, have the Secretary of the Treasury handle it.

Illegal immigrants with high skills must get a high skilled job or leave, low skilled illegals must get a low skilled job or leave. That would reduce the amount of
people to deport by about 25%, increase jobs by about 3-4 Million.

Leave TPP, it hurts US Freedom and takes our jobs elsewhere.

20% Tax on all American-Based companies moving outside of the border - definitely no subsidies to them, unless they move back in.

DEA eliminated, plan to decarcinate 750,000 criminals and send them through rehab, tear down jails, build up Rehab clinics with free drugs, pay attention to getting
better instead of isolation. For non-violent drug related crimes, force to a clinic instead of a jail.

Edited 3/28/2016 03:10:17
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