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Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 00:17:19


Major General Smedley Butler
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I have come up with some things that would improve the state of the world and the country greatly.

MILITARY REFORMS

1. Cut the budget by 90%
2. Dismantle half of the nuclear arsenal, keep it run by the old software/hardware, but keep it in good condition.
3. There is about 2 million in the Armed Forces. Cut that by 1.5 million.
4. Make 7 of the ten aircraft carriers museums funded by the states that they were built in, disable their nuclear reactors.
5. Ban the selling of anything besides small arms to the police.
6. Sell small arms at surplus stores
7. Give non-discriminatory militias artillery ,armored personnel carriers, helicopters and reconnaissance planes.
8. Militias can only buy equipment if 70% of their members have a weapon that can fire standard NATO rounds
9. Militias are actively encouraged to cooperate with other militias close by, to ensure that in any invasion militias will be able to hold their ground, go towards the front without issue and militias running low on supplies can be supplied in case.
10. The army and the militias shall never engage in law enforcement unless the normal police agencies engage in corruption and anti-liberty activities (rounding up guns, attacking peaceful protesters, killing people for nothing). In this case, the militia and army can freely act against the police agency in question to stop violation of basic human rights.
11. If local police turn a blind eye to discrimination based on race, gender, religious belief, sexual orientation, or political belief that turns violent in anyway besides throwing fruit or vegetables , local militia can intervene on behalf of the party being discriminated against.
12. Militias cannnot discriminate against any group, or they will not receive aid from the government in the form of selling equipment to it.
12a. These groups include the LGBT+ community, all ethnicities and races, political groups that are non-violent, all genders and religions.
13. In the case of invasion, the military can make drafts of physically capable males and females from the age of 18 to 45.
14. The Deacons for Defense and Justice will be named a "Heroic group" as they fought for the liberty of African Americans in the south against the KKK.
14a. The Black Panthers will be named a "Heroic Group" as they fought against the government when it actively attacked oppressed minorities.
14b. The Bundy Militia will be named a "Heroic Group" as they fought (passively) against government attacks on farmers and ranchers.
15. Finally, the Alien technology will only be used when any US territory or state is in danger of invasion.
Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 00:18:37


Major General Smedley Butler
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(Will add about other sectors later)
Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 00:24:52


TeamGuns
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WTF is this plan for reformation of the military??? It's a very bad one. You can't dismantle the army of a country and sell top military weapons to militias. You can't expect them to use it responsibly, your plan can possibly end in crazy militia leaders using their force to their own advantages.

Give average citizens tanks and let them form a militia to protect their state, THAT'S GONNA WORK WELL!

There's no advantage at doing this:
- Power will most likely be abused.
- The government won't have strengh to defend itself from external threats, as the "military organisations" are totally decentralized.


I do think the military is too expensive in the US and that cuts should be made, but this plan is just doomed to do way more evil then good.
Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 00:28:06


GeneralPE
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m8, black panthers aren't heroic. 90% seems excessive, and already built carriers should continue to be used - militias aren't good at being navies. Keep most of the air force, the navy, and the marines, cut most of the Army and denationalize the Guard. I like the idea of giving shit to militias and making them OP, but what do you mean by 'discrimination'. Do they have to do crap against groups? Or would simply, say, supporting a certain candidate be seen as 'discriminatory'? Is a Christian group not letting in Satanists 'discrimination'? Too grey for me. Just make sure they aren't dangerously violent or extreme.
Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 00:31:19


TeamGuns
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The stuff is that any terrorist group is a problem. The black panthers weren't heroes, they were terrorists, let's call it by their true name. You can't start to kill people to defend your rights. Turning militias into "OP organisations" will just make them dangerous to the country itself.
Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 00:32:14


[AOE] JaiBharat909
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#2, 5, 6, and 14b all sound really really really good. And 4.

Edited 3/28/2016 00:32:28
Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 00:33:53


GeneralPE
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The government won't have strengh to defend itself from external threats, as the "military organisations" are totally decentralized.

The government shouldn't defend itself; it is of and for the people, and should defend them. People will fight like a son-of-a-bitch to defend themselves, whether they are militiamen or in the Army. By making the militias official, the gov't can coordinate with and between them in war time. The national military should not be a "Department of Defense", leave that to the people. They should concern themselves with overseas operations.

Power will most likely be abused.

The government will still have an army, just smaller, which would still carry weight. And the various militia factions squabbling would prevent any one of them from abusing power.

EDIT:
You can't start to kill people to defend your rights.

We seem to disagree on that. If someone is denying me my rights, I definitely have the right to fight back.

Edited 3/28/2016 00:35:42
Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 00:39:56


TeamGuns
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The government shouldn't defend itself


I was implying there of course the country, not the institution itself.


The government will still have an army, just smaller, which would still carry weight. And the various militia factions squabbling would prevent any one of them from abusing power.


It's unlikely that militias competition would prevent abuse of power, as every militia would cover one area. Why, and how would the militia of Washington prevent the abuse of power from the militia of California??

Plus, you all seem to forget that conventional fighting probably won't save the US from a war, it's unlikely that someone would invade it, just nuclear bomb the crap out of the country and that's it.


EDIT, to answer your EDIT:

I have the fight to fight back through protests and peaceful movements, not by killing people that want me to deny my rights. You're just reducing yourself to the level of your opressor. And don't fucking say it doesn't work, Gandhi and his peaceful protests beated the largest empire the earth has ever seen, Mandela and his peaceful protests beated one of the most opressive and injust regimes as well.

Killing will just make your ennemy strike harder, and soon you can have a civil war like we do in Syria. Do you think the situation improved since people started to fight against the gvt? Or are we in a shitier position then before?

Edited 3/28/2016 00:44:01
Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 00:40:19


Major General Smedley Butler
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The Black Panthers defended black communities against the police and were generally tolerant. I am talking about the old black panthers, not the new ones.

The navy is bloated and meant for patrolling every ocean in the world. Manning all those ships is expensive, the risk is very small of a proper invasion so no reason for that big of a navy.

The militias have a dual purpose. Defending the nation against foreign threats , and domestic threats. Domestic threats like corrupt and bloated police agencies are the largest threat to the liberty of the entire US. Their strength ensures that any conflict with a police agency will end in that police agency being promptly routed, with militias taking the defeated police remnants and giving them fair trials.
Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 00:47:41


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Jesu christe WHY EVERYBODY COPYING GENGHIS 24/7 I THOUGHT I WATERMARKED THIS IDEA
Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 00:49:50


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Critique:
1) 90% seems quite huge, and could leave the military unfunded.
2) Should put nuclear arsenal to good use. Use scrapped missiles to convert into nuclear energy.
3) Yet again, a quite huge cut.
4) No comment.
5) Even for riots? That could pose a few problems.
6) No comment.
7) Why would militias need all of those?
8) No comment.
9) Seems quite odd to be trusting many small and disorganized groups to protect the nation instead of a strong and central army.
10) That's going to make a bad situation WORSE, not better.
11) Same point as 10.
12) What's going to stop them from collecting funds and becoming self sufficient?
12a) No objection.
13) No objection.
14) No comment.
14a) No. Encouraging violent protests against government would have bad side effects.
14b) No comment.
15) No comment.
Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 00:54:36


TeamGuns
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Ofc a mob will give a fair trial to police officers accused of corruption, because the human genre is great and fair, it would never end in a bunch of people getting lynched.
Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 00:57:22


[AOE] JaiBharat909
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I think the MGSB's title explains the need for policies 1-14 quite well.

The numbers may be in dispute and are open to debate I think, but the overall purpose of the policies would end a lot of the current problems with the US government including police militarization, war hawkishness, and excessive government attacks on our civil liberties. However I was surprised not to see anything mentioned on TSA, Drones, NSA spying and data collection, or State's Rights.
Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 01:00:33


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Spying things is going to be another part.

States' Rights are lesser than individual rights, and I don't really want to encourage states to make state-wide militias.
Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 01:02:08


GeneralPE
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cuz Texas would dick on everyone?
Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 01:07:54


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I don't want anyone pulling a Mohhamed Ali Pasha. Local militias don't have the ability to do this, but hypothetical state militias would.
Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 01:42:41


TeamGuns
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The smaller the organisation, the smaller will be the oversight on it, and it's easier for them to abuse power locally.
Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 01:52:30


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The smaller the organization, the less likely they'll split off and declare the republic of West Florida. These are local organizations that do not police and are merely in place to defend against police tyranny and foreign invasion. The chance of Rich robbing his neighbor is pretty low , and it's not like police that take a small minority from a neighboring community and make them police a different neighborhood to make sure they can have complete control, these are people who train every once in a while and that live in the place they're protecting.
Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 02:14:27


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Ofc, the smaller the organisation, and the smaller the chance for it to become a real threat to the nation, but the more you have of those, the harder is the oversight.

You'd have either to spend billion dollars a year to correctly oversight thousands of militias, and let's speak frankly here, that's not gonna happen, or you won't do oversight at all, and that's a fucking problem.

You can't dismantle the army and give the duty of defending the army to paramilitary organisations, that's not a good plan. Specially in our modern times.
Major's neutering of the US government.: 3/28/2016 02:34:56


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How is it not a good plan? The government spends way too much on the army when it's pretty much unneeded , the chances of a actual invasion are slim to none and this is a check against the blue shirts. The biggest threat to the US right now is the police and the government, this plan neuters them.
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