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Trump and Hillary's Opinions on LGBT Issues: 3/30/2016 20:39:38


[Wolf] {F} Kellen the Conquerer
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Trump and Hillary's Opinions on LGBT Issues: 3/30/2016 20:43:49


Major General Smedley Butler
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They're both flip-flopers.
Trump and Hillary's Opinions on LGBT Issues: 3/30/2016 20:47:59


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1990s Trump would be a very progressive democratic candidate for today.
1990s Hillary fits perfectly on the actual republican party.


They're both just trying to get elected by lying on who they are, where they stand and what they believe.
Trump and Hillary's Opinions on LGBT Issues: 3/30/2016 20:51:01


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Who was this even trying to convince? Those for LGBT will obviously vote Democrat no matter what, and those against will lose some faith in Trump.
Trump and Hillary's Opinions on LGBT Issues: 3/30/2016 20:55:43


[Wolf] {F} Kellen the Conquerer
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Trump could behead a kid with ebola in Time's Square and his current voters would love it. He is going to draw from Democrats.

+Trump has never reversed his views on LGBT issues, he still stands by these words today.
Trump and Hillary's Opinions on LGBT Issues: 3/30/2016 20:57:41


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Draw from the democrats? Yeah you're mentally disabled if you think Sanders supporters or Clinton supporters would support Trump.
Trump and Hillary's Opinions on LGBT Issues: 3/30/2016 21:05:08


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It's worth noting that throughout the primary season Trump has generally performed worse in closed primaries (Only GOP members can vote), and better in open primaries.

This seems to suggest that he's either getting support from other political groups or unregistered people who don't usually vote have been flocking to him. Maybe a bit of both.

I don't like Trump, but I have to admit that he has displayed an impressive ability to draw votes from outside the usual Republican voter pool.
Trump and Hillary's Opinions on LGBT Issues: 3/30/2016 21:11:48


[Wolf] {F} Kellen the Conquerer
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HES GETTING SUPPORT FROM DEMOCRATS TRUST ME BOI


Source: My entire family was Democrat, then Trump happened.
Trump and Hillary's Opinions on LGBT Issues: 3/30/2016 21:12:35


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Even a basic demographic understanding of Trumps' voters, they're basically old, stereotypic dumb hicks, not really the kind of folk who would be registered. I see little of that ability to draw votes from outside the usual pool, he's just for more extreme versions of what the other Republicans are, for most issues, especially the two he talks about. Foreign policy? Yeah, grow military spending, bomb everywhere. Immigration policy? We're not letting Muslims in. We're building a wall between America and Mexico, and Mexico will pay for it.

Source: at max, 6 folk converted from Democrat to Republican.

In America, Gary Johnson is on a sharp rise. Source: 1/1 Americans polled.

Edited 3/30/2016 21:17:57
Trump and Hillary's Opinions on LGBT Issues: 3/30/2016 21:13:09


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He's getting support from idiot nationalists boy, trust me. They were too dumb to vote in the primaries before, until Drumpf came along.
Trump and Hillary's Opinions on LGBT Issues: 3/30/2016 21:23:04


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http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/265330-some-dems-would-defect-for-trump-poll-shows

He does have many voters that were formerly Reagan Democrats. These consist of mainly working class white folks in their middle ages who've been hit hardest by the new economy. Most of these voters are in the Rust Belt.

Also Kellen is right to say that Trump's views on abortion and LGBT are pretty much the same...in any case he's way to the left of true conservatives on social issues.

Edited 3/30/2016 21:23:44
Trump and Hillary's Opinions on LGBT Issues: 3/30/2016 21:45:17


[Wolf] {F} Kellen the Conquerer
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Drumpf? Kill yourself Drumpf is a fucking dumbass insult.
Trump and Hillary's Opinions on LGBT Issues: 3/30/2016 21:48:08


Major General Smedley Butler
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That was his old family name. If he can criticize Jon Stewart for not embracing his heritage, I can criticize him for not embracing his heritage.
Trump and Hillary's Opinions on LGBT Issues: 3/30/2016 21:49:41


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Trump haters are mostly losers who never leave their echo chambers. MGSB is living proof.
Trump and Hillary's Opinions on LGBT Issues: 3/30/2016 21:50:44


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Trump haters are the majority of the population in the US.
Trump and Hillary's Opinions on LGBT Issues: 3/30/2016 21:52:47


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Actually a lot of Sanders supporters might defect to Trump; also supposing that they would vote over Hillary is a misconcept, there's a growing ammount of his supporters that would prefer not voting at all.


And Trump is a loser, if you knew how he built his fortune, you'd know that gvt welfare saved him more then once.

Edited 3/30/2016 21:53:43
Trump and Hillary's Opinions on LGBT Issues: 3/30/2016 22:17:17


The Lord
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Trump haters are the majority of the population in the US.

Trump haters are a majority among the GOP establishment, journalists, and other progressive authoritarians. But those groups together only make a tiny minority in the US.
Trump and Hillary's Opinions on LGBT Issues: 3/30/2016 22:23:30


Major General Smedley Butler
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No, they're the majority of everyone.
Trump and Hillary's Opinions on LGBT Issues: 3/30/2016 22:31:51


The Lord
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^Even among Trump supporters? Don't believe everything Lyin' Ted tells you!
Trump and Hillary's Opinions on LGBT Issues: 3/30/2016 22:35:10


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Trump haters are a majority among the GOP establishment, journalists, and other progressive authoritarians. But those groups together only make a tiny minority in the US.


GOP foundings: majority support Trump, last I checked (60% or so votes on the eliminary elections went to him). I don't know about journalists, but I'm suspecting you're just fully making this up, all this supposed anti-Trump bias. And progressive authoritarians? There really aren't, it's almost an oxymoron. And together, yes, these groups definitely makes an absolute majority.
Trump and Hillary's Opinions on LGBT Issues: 3/30/2016 22:43:53


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GOP foundings: majority support Trump, last I checked (60% or so votes on the eliminary elections went to him).

No no no, GOP establishment is a much smaller group. It means party functionaries, party donors and special interests. What you are talking about is grassroots, which indeed support Trump enthusiastically.

Often I get the impression you are deliberately misunderstanding me. Either that or a language barrier.


I don't know about journalists, but I'm suspecting you're just fully making this up, all this supposed anti-Trump bias.

There are numerous studies that prove progressive, leftist bias among journalists. Even if you argue that Trump is not as right as Cruz, he is still far from Hillary and Bernie, who the journalists support.


And progressive authoritarians? There really aren't, it's almost an oxymoron.

Calling fascists, nazis, or communists anything but progressive authoritarians is an oxymoron.
Trump and Hillary's Opinions on LGBT Issues: 3/30/2016 22:51:13


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Communists are anti-authoritarians. And no, the USSR was not communist, it was Socialist.
Trump and Hillary's Opinions on LGBT Issues: 3/30/2016 22:53:09


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No no no, GOP establishment is a much smaller group. It means party functionaries, party donors and special interests.


Well, it'd be statistically unlikely then that the majority would support Trump, thinking about his voter demography (old, untaught, politically somewhat inactive folk) and that there are 2 other candidates.

There are numerous studies that prove progressive, leftist bias among journalists.


Show.

Even if you argue that Trump is not as right as Cruz, he is still far from Hillary and Bernie, who the journalists support.


Y'know, I always here Republicans complaining about the daemonic "liberal" media. But think of it as a tradeoff between having the Republican absolute majority in both national gatherings. You always hear Democrats yapping about the Republican dictatorship and gerrymandering in the two houses, but Republicans yap about how the Democrats have the media.

Calling fascists, nazis, or communists anything but progressive authoritarians is an oxymoron.


Do you know what a progressivist is? Progressivists are middle-left. Fascists and National Socialist extend from authoritarian middle to authoritarian far-right. Practic communism is authoritarian far-left, while anarchic, "true" communism (Marxism) is anarchic far-left. And for that matter, do you know what an oxymoron is? Calling National Socialism a German politic scheme of the past is not an oxymoron.
Trump and Hillary's Opinions on LGBT Issues: 3/30/2016 23:08:05


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Draw from the democrats? Yeah you're mentally disabled if you think Sanders supporters or Clinton supporters would support Trump.

He is the only one who is doing it. Polls and my personal experience show it. Cruz is a good guy, but no Dem is going to vote for him. Many will vote Trump
Trump and Hillary's Opinions on LGBT Issues: 3/30/2016 23:18:26


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Communists are anti-authoritarians.

In your utopia maybe, not in the real world.



Well, it'd be statistically unlikely then that the majority would support Trump, thinking about his voter demography (old, untaught, politically somewhat inactive folk) and that there are 2 other candidates.

You just said 60% of them support Trump, now you flip-flop. Why?



Show.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_bias_in_the_United_States#Liberal_bias
"They surveyed journalists at national media outlets such as The New York Times, The Washington Post, and the broadcast networks. The survey found that the large majority of journalists were Democratic voters whose attitudes were well to the left of the general public on a variety of topics, including issues such as abortion, affirmative action, social services and gay rights. The authors compared journalists' attitudes to their coverage of issues such as the safety of nuclear power, school busing to promote racial integration, and the energy crisis of the 1970s and concluded firstly that journalists' coverage of controversial issues reflected their own attitudes and education, and secondly that the predominance of political liberals in newsrooms pushed news coverage in a liberal direction."


Y'know, I always here Republicans complaining about the daemonic "liberal" media. But think of it as a tradeoff between having the Republican absolute majority in both national gatherings. You always hear Democrats yapping about the Republican dictatorship and gerrymandering in the two houses, but Republicans yap about how the Democrats have the media.

So the more you complain, the more right you are?


Do you know what a progressivist is? Progressivists are middle-left.

Progressive means changing the system into something new instead of preserving it or changing it backwards. It has nothing to do with rightist or leftist leanings.


while anarchic, "true" communism (Marxism) is anarchic far-left

Fine, I will admit that certain brands of utopian communism, the kind of communism that can only exist in people's imagination, is anarchist and thus anti-authoritarian. Marxist communism, though, is dictatorship of the proletariat and thus authoritarian communism.
Trump and Hillary's Opinions on LGBT Issues: 3/30/2016 23:37:05


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You just said 60% of them support Trump, now you flip-flop. Why?


If anything, you flip-flopped, when you meant such a specific thing by such a broad phrase (GOP establishment). I am now talking about your meaning.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_bias_in_the_United_States#Liberal_bias


On the same page: "According to former Fox News producer Charlie Reina, unlike the AP, CBS, or ABC, Fox News's editorial policy is set from the top down in the form of a daily memo: "[F]requently, Reina says, it also contains hints, suggestions and directives on how to slant the day's news—invariably, he says, in a way that's consistent with the politics and desires of the Bush administration."

"A 1998 study from FAIR found that journalists are "mostly centrist in their political orientation; 30% considered themselves to the left on social issues compared to 9% on the right, while 11% considered themselves to the left on economic issues compared to 19% on the right."

So the more you complain, the more right you are?


It's safe to say that if you're whining about the "liberal media bias", you're less likely going to be a liberalist.

Progressive means changing the system into something new instead of preserving it or changing it backwards. It has nothing to do with rightist or leftist leanings.


Right, and conservatism is keeping (conserving) things the way they are, but that's not what they really are in their modern meanings. Conservism means capitalism with a strong government, while progressivism means changing from that, to socialism with a moderate government.

Marxist communism, though, is dictatorship of the proletariat and thus authoritarian communism.


Dictatorship of the folk, otherwise known as, democracy.
Trump and Hillary's Opinions on LGBT Issues: 3/30/2016 23:40:39


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Conservism means capitalism with a strong government, while progressivism means changing from that, to socialism with a moderate government.

Conservatism is the antithesis of large government. Capitalism inherently relies on a weak gov't, and socialism inherently relies on a strong one. To say otherwise is disinformation, and a baldfaced lie.
Trump and Hillary's Opinions on LGBT Issues: 3/30/2016 23:49:14


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Conservatism is the antithesis of large government. Capitalism inherently relies on a weak gov't, and socialism inherently relies on a strong one.


What? No, not at all. There can be capitalism with a big government, with a great military forces, big security agencies spying, a huge police force, but it will still all be capitalism, especially if the government self-funded through govbusiness (like state lotteries in America). And high socialism doesn't rely on strong government, but just organised respreading of money into usually services (healthcare, for example). Usually organised through government, but not necessarily.

Now, libertarianism is capitalism with a weak government.
Trump and Hillary's Opinions on LGBT Issues: 3/30/2016 23:52:33


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especially if the government self-funded through govbusiness

Government businesses are the anti-capitalism. You can't redistribute wealth on a huge scale without a huge government.
Trump and Hillary's Opinions on LGBT Issues: 3/30/2016 23:53:18


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Conservativism and liberalism are more of moral stances then how big government should be.
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