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Why is Bernie Sanders bad?: 4/6/2016 21:43:52


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I've talked about why Bernie Sanders is the best of the American candidates, now it's time to talk about why he's the least worst (besides higher taxes, taking away market freedom, and being anti-business). In three groups, from most important to least.

*Wants to keep supporting Israel (all Republicans and Democrats agree on this, unluckily).
*Wants to fly drones over other countries to spy and to kill (Only Cruz actually has shown some against to this, he says flying drones is ok only if there is an official war declared. Still better than the others.).
*Wants to keep foreign help spending as is (Clinton wants to actually grow it, all Republicans want to lower it).

*Wants to lower the amount of temporary work visas given to qualified foreign workers.
*Supports the government forcefully taking private land.
*Is for the FBI to unlock iPhones.

*Wants to rid national teaching standards.
*Supports mandating hiring to be based only on sex, ethnicity, skinhue, and "gender".
*Wants to ban corporations from giving money to politic campaigns (yes, maybe good in theory - but you can't really stop them, so might as well take the path that has the most freedom)
*For forcing private health insurance sellers to give "free" birth control as part of the plan.
*For forcing private businesses to serve all customers they get, no matter what beliefs clash.
*For funding private birth control organisations.
*Wants to limit legal suing powers (you can't sue everyone for any grounds).
*Wants to greatly grow the American space programme.
*Wants to force upon faiths the mandate of gay marriage.
*Wants to rid the death penalty.
*For greater environmental regulations (right idea, but I don't think anything should really be illegalised, just give money to clean energies).
*Against making photographic identification needed to vote.
*Against mandating that those on welfare be needed to work, is against "workfare".
*Against testing folk getting welfare for drugs.
*Against the Transpacific Partnership (TPP).

*Against making Bitcoin legal American currency.

Edited 4/6/2016 22:52:52
Why is Bernie Sanders bad?: 4/6/2016 22:04:52


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Wants to greatly grow the American space programme.

how is that bad? most of us encourage scientific advancement, which is really human advancment
Why is Bernie Sanders bad?: 4/6/2016 22:05:50


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Why is Clinton bad:

*Wants to keep supporting Israel.
*Is for drones spying/killing folk in foreign countries.
*Wants to upscale the war on Mashriq.
*Wanted/Wants to stop Russia from getting involved in Syria.
*Is for overthrowing Assad as long as it's a NATO misdeed, not just America.

*Is against forcing GMOs to be labelled as such.
*Is for unrestricted government surveillance on its population.
*Is for the government forcefully taking private land.
*Is for forcing Apple to unlock all iPhones for the FBI, of course.

*For hydraulic fracturing, but wants to grow oversight on fracking.
*For greater environmental regulations and laws.
*For mandating hiring to be based only on sex, ethnicity, skinhue, and "gender".
*Against corporations from giving money to politic campaigns.
*Wants to keep the American space programme's budget as is.
*Is against making photographic identification needed to vote.
*Wants to force upon faiths the mandate of gay marriage.
*Wants to force private health insurance sellers to have free birth control as part of the plan.
*Is for businesses having to serve every customer they get, no matter what clashing beliefs.
*Is for the government funding private birth control sites.
*Against testing those getting welfare for drugs.
*Against the Transpacific Partnership.
*Against inspecting the national federal bank.

*Against taking out references to God on government stuff.
*Against making Bitcoin legal American currency.
Why is Bernie Sanders bad?: 4/6/2016 22:06:07


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Because lots of companies are already filling the void of NASA and co. Privatized space stuff is probably gonna be the future of things until gub'ment finds a way to do it.
Why is Bernie Sanders bad?: 4/6/2016 22:08:15


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Wants to greatly grow the American space programme.

how is that bad? most of us encourage scientific advancement, which is really human advancment


It's just really a waste of money, like Genghis said, there are private businesses, it'd be a colossal waste of money and life, while the money could actually be spent on better things, like supporting clean renewable energies or legally binding public referenda (a thing unheard of in America).

Edited 4/6/2016 22:08:52
Why is Bernie Sanders bad?: 4/6/2016 22:27:20


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Why should we make Bitcoin a legal currency? Is it even backed up?
Why is labeling GMOs a good idea?
*For hydraulic fracturing, but wants to grow oversight on fracking.
What is the issue here?
Why is Bernie Sanders bad?: 4/6/2016 22:33:26


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Why is Ted Cruz bad:

*For torture.
*For supporting Israel even more.
*For growing the military budget.
*For upscaling the war on Mashriq.
*For lowering foreign help spending.

*For bulk NSA spying on other countries (including American allies, NATO).
*For sending back all Syrian refugees America has accepted back to Syria (sadist).
*For a war on (illegal) immigration:
**Hunt down all illegal immigrants and deport them.
**No granting citizenship to illegal immigrant's child, even if born on American land.
**No government healthcare access to illegal immigrants.
**For greatening national border patrol.
*For lowering the amount of qualified foreign worker visas given.
*Against legalising marijuana and all other drugs currently illegal in America.
*For uncurbed government surveillence on its population.
*For no government-mandated restrictions on buying a gun at all - you just buy it like anything else.
*For forcing Apple to unlock the iPhones for the FBI, of course.
*Against forcing GMOs to be labelled as such.
*For-life, even in cases of rape and incest.

*Wants America to end membership in the UN.
*For the (ended) trade embargo on Cuba.
*Against closing Guantánamo bay gaol.
*No temporary forgiveness or blind eye to working illegal immigrants.
*All legal immigrants are mandated to learn English.
*Is against growing healthcare funding for low-income folk.
*For gerrymandering.
*For limiting legal suing powers (you can't sue everyone for any grounds).
*Against the Senate holding a hearing on the new American Supreme Court nominee.
*For the watch to go by specificially racial profiling (not even statisically holding profiling, like, it's known that darker skinhues in America generally make more crime, but he's not even basing it on stats, just on faith.).
*For greatening American offshore petrol drilling.
*For ending all government funding and incentivisation to alternate energies.
*For hydraulic fracturing.
*Against national teaching standards.
*For greatly growing the American space programme's budget.
*Against legalising suicide, even for chronically ill patients.
*Against keeping women out of frontline roles in the military forces (really, Cruz? no girls allowed?).
*Against the Transpacific Partnership.

*Against taking out references to God on government stuff.
*For letting state governments fly the Confederate States of America (1861to1865) flag.
*Against making Bitcoin legal currency alongside the USD.
Why is Bernie Sanders bad?: 4/6/2016 22:41:43


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Whats wrong with Government forcefully taking private land? If every large scale infrastructure project (bridges, hospitals etc) was stopped just because one or two small landowners refuse to move out, that will pose big problems to social and economic development. If they get at above market value for their property, I don't see why not.

Another issue that I take interest in is the right for small, private businesses to deny service to customers, for whatever reason. (religion, sexuality etc..) What are your thoughts on this?
Why is Bernie Sanders bad?: 4/6/2016 22:41:52


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Why should we make Bitcoin a legal currency? Is it even backed up?


I put it as least importance, some other countries are thinking about making Bitcoin their currency, too, and this would be a cool start of an international currency. Also, yeah, it does have intrinsic value of some kind, but I don't recall all how it works.

Why is labeling GMOs a good idea?


Well, there are two big grounds I can think of off the spot, that basically are great deals of why I like ground 3:

1: inserting new genes from other organisms sometimes makes folk allergic to foods that they're not (if the food is not genetically modified). I'm going to take a safe guess and say you have never willingly eaten rose chafers. And you don't know if you're allergic to them, well what if they put that in some apples that you eat?

2: putting animal genes into plant genes goes into weird territory for vegetarians and the like (faith-based diets). To avoid making someone unknowingly do something that is against their beliefs, like supporting the unglorious murder of their fellows, labelling it solves all that, then it's their fault if they eat meat.

3: eaters always have a right to know what they are eating.

*For hydraulic fracturing, but wants to grow oversight on fracking.
What is the issue here?


Besides petrol being its own huge problem, hydraulic fracturing is also unsafe as, long tale short, it can poison public water pipelines.
Why is Bernie Sanders bad?: 4/6/2016 22:48:28


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Whats wrong with Government forcefully taking private land? If every large scale infrastructure project (bridges, hospitals etc) was stopped just because one or two small landowners refuse to move out, that will pose big problems to social and economic development. If they get at above market value for their property, I don't see why not.


America already has a colossal infrastructure system and loads of public land, much of it unused. And usually everyone has some buying price, just often it's quite high, but I don't think that it's wrong to force someone out of their home that their family may have had for 200 years just to build a bypass like they did in the beginning of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Sure, they get above market value, but it won't always equal the value to the family.

Noone should be forced to do something they don't want to by the government (unless for obvious grounds, like vaccines for contagious illnesses that affect more than just you).

Another issue that I take interest in is the right for small, private businesses to deny service to customers, for whatever reason. (religion, sexuality etc..) What are your thoughts on this?


I'm not going to criticise any of the Democrats (here) for their socialisms, but I am for businesseses having the right to not serve any customer they have on any grounds - be that they have a weird eye, are women, are Arabic, so on. It's freedom at work, and it's obviously bad for the business, so anything outrageous will probably a: not be outrageous to societal standards or b: have boycotts coming for it.
Why is Bernie Sanders bad?: 4/6/2016 23:01:01


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NO TRUMP IS BAD BECAUSE HE IS AMAZING!!!
Why is Bernie Sanders bad?: 4/6/2016 23:06:18


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Are you for replacing the US Dollar and making Bitcoin the only currency, or for making Bitcoin a tradable currency along with the dollar?
Why is Bernie Sanders bad?: 4/6/2016 23:08:08


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NO TRUMP IS BAD BECAUSE HE IS AMAZING!!!
I sincerely hope you are joking...
Why is Bernie Sanders bad?: 4/6/2016 23:09:55


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Wouldn't it be great if we had, for say, one term, a dictator who was lawfully good but at the same worked around the law, and in the process, cleared out all corruption and installed true public servants? That would be nice.
Why is Bernie Sanders bad?: 4/6/2016 23:16:33


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Why is John Kasich bad (where to begin):

*For greatening support to Israel.
*Against giving constitutional rights to foreign prisoners in American custody.
*For growing military spending.
*For upscaling the war on Mashriq.
**For sending 10,000+ footsoldiers.
*For lowering foreign help spending.
*For forcefully stopping Russia airstriking Syria.
*For militarily overthrowing Assad.
*For drones getting intelligence and killing in foreign countries.

*For bulk NSA spying on foreign countries, including American allies (NATO).
*Against giving illegal immigrant's child born on American land citizenship.
*Against giving government healthcare to illegal immigrants.
*For sending all Syrian refugees America has taken in back to Syria.
*For stepping up national border security.
*Against greatening the amount of skilled foreign worker visas (but at least not for lowering).
*Against legalising marijuana and other drugs currently illegal in America.
*Supporting bulk government spying on its citizens at current levels, but wants to limit their spying powers.
*Against any governmentally set restrictions on buying a gun.
*For the government forcefully taking private land (darn, I thought this was only a communist thing).
*For Apple being forced to unlock iPhones for the FBI.
*For-life, but with exceptions in cases of rape or incest or hazard to mother.

*For the (ended) trade embargo with Cuba.
*Against closing the Guantánamo bay gaol.
*For local watch to indefinitely hold illegal immigrants for petty crimes and later pass them over to deportation crews.
*For forcing legal immigrants to learn English, and for taking out multilingual translations from government documents.
*Against government healthcare of any kind.
*For upscaling the War on Drugs.
*Against corporations giving money to politic candidates.
*For keeping the government pension minimum eligibility ages as are.
*For limiting legal suing powers (you can't sue anyone over any grounds).
*Against the American Senate holding a hearing on Obama's American Supreme Court nominee.
*For the watch to go by specificially racial profiling (not even statisically holding profiling, like, it's known that darker skinhues in America generally make more crime, but he's not even basing it on stats, just on faith.).
*Against government funding wind power.
*For hydraulic fracturing, but not in populated sites.
*For greatening environmental regulations and laws.
*For keeping the American space programme funding as is.
*Against legalising suicide, even for terminally ill patients.
*For forcing upon faiths gay marriage.
*Against death penalty.
*For forcing businesses to serve all customers they get, despite any clashes of beliefs.
*Against inspections of the national bank.

*Against taking out references to God on government stuff.
*Against using Bitcoin as a legal currency alongside the USD.

Edited 4/6/2016 23:55:04
Why is Bernie Sanders bad?: 4/6/2016 23:18:45


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Are you for replacing the US Dollar and making Bitcoin the only currency, or for making Bitcoin a tradable currency along with the dollar?


I'm for making them both legal currencies until (if) Bitcoin becomes way more popular, and by that, I mean more than half the world's population would be living in a country with Bitcoin as a legal currency.

Wouldn't it be great if we had, for say, one term, a dictator who was lawfully good but at the same worked around the law, and in the process, cleared out all corruption and installed true public servants? That would be nice.


Getúlio Vargas.

Edited 4/6/2016 23:19:15
Why is Bernie Sanders bad?: 4/6/2016 23:58:36


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Ah.
Why should we drop or lower support for Israel?
Why is Bernie Sanders bad?: 4/7/2016 00:09:06


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Why Donald Trump is the worst:

*For killing innocent folk as policy to wage "total war".
*For torture.
*For supporting Israel.
*Against giving foreign terrorism suspects constitutional rights.
*For greatening military spending.
*For drones gathering intelligence and killing folk over foreign countries.
*For upscaling the war on Mashriq.
**For sending footsoldiers.
*For lowering foreign help spending.

*For bulk NSA spying on foreign countries, including American allies (NATO).
*For sending all Syrian refugees America has currently taken in back to Syria.
*Against illegal immigrant's child born on American land being given citizenship.
*Against illegal immigrants getting government healthcare.
*Wants to step up border security.
*Wants to lower the amount of foreign qualified worker visas given out.
*Wants to shut down all Muslim immigration to America.
*Against forcing children to be vaccinated under any circumstances, including deadly and contagious illnesses.
*For unrestricted government surveillence on its citizens.
*Against any government restrictions on buying a gun.
*For forcefully taking private land (darn, even Trump is a communist).
*For forcing Apple to unlock iPhones for the FBI.
*For-life, except in cases of incest, rape, or hazard to mother or child.

*Against closing the Guantánamo bay gaol.
*For actively hunting down and deporting any illegal immigrants that are working ("stealing jobs").
*For turning in illegal immigrants who do petty crimes to deporting crews.
*For forcing legal immigrants to learn English.
*For totally abolishing government-funded healthcare programmes.
*Against legalising marijuana and all drugs currently illegal in America.
*Against letting corporations give money to politic campaigns.
*Against raising the retirement age to get government pensions.
*For limiting legal suing powers (you can't sue anybody for any grounds).
*Against the American Senate holding a hearing and vote on the new American Supreme Court nominee.
*For the watch to go by specificially racial profiling (not even statisically holding profiling, like, it's known that darker skinhues in America generally make more crime, but he's not even basing it on stats, just on faith.).
*For growing offshore petrol drilling.
*Against government funding wind power.
*For hydraulic fracturing.
*Against suicide, even for terminally ill patients.
*For government funding private birth control businesses.
*For prohibiting military women working in fighting roles.
*For mandating hiring based only on sex, ethnicity, skinhue, and "gender".
*Against national teaching curricula/standards.
*Against the Transpacific Partnership.

*Against taking out references to God on government stuff.
*Against using Bitcoin as a legal currency.
Why is Bernie Sanders bad?: 4/7/2016 00:13:59


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Ah.
Why should we drop or lower support for Israel?


America (assuming it gets much better and becomes a much more peaceful country; assuming it won't be hypocritic to do so) should really sanction most of the countries in the Middle East. They're all doing terrible things to some extent, and both Palestine's Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigade and the Israeli "Defence" Force have done terrible things to each other, targeting and killing innocent civilians.
Why is Bernie Sanders bad?: 4/7/2016 00:17:41


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Why do you care so much about American politics I thought you lived and were born in Belarus?
Why is Bernie Sanders bad?: 4/7/2016 00:20:16


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America is the country today that brings about the most unearned deaths today/biggest militant country (also, I live in Eritrea now), and is a superpower. Chinese and Indian elections aren't for a while.

Edited 4/7/2016 00:20:56
Why is Bernie Sanders bad?: 4/7/2016 00:39:27


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So Australian politics won't ever get a mention? X)
Why is Bernie Sanders bad?: 4/7/2016 00:49:28


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Not until elections, anyway. Besides, NZ had it's big flag debate, enough attention on Oceania now for, say, 20 years :).
Why is Bernie Sanders bad?: 4/7/2016 00:55:09


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I love astronomy, and believe we should study it more. However, let's face it, space programs are ridiculously expensive and give little to no actual research :P
Why is Bernie Sanders bad?: 4/7/2016 01:04:19


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Plays from United States: Kansas
Why is Bernie Sanders bad?: 4/7/2016 01:08:23


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Ever heard of a proxy? You talk to Karl so much, after all.
Why is Bernie Sanders bad?: 4/7/2016 01:10:23


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Now Im just going to leave my personal opinions on these matters.

-Israel and Palestine are both shit piles doing the same horrible shit to the other, no sides are to be taken.
-Drones should be used only for surveillance on high risk nations (ex: unstable, in civil war, etc.), and used for combat only against enemies we have declared war, not this "Police Action" bullshit.
-Military spending should be increased only to develop new technology. However considering we have more spending than the top other 5 nations combined, we could drop a few billion into something more important, like healthcare advancement or education.
-Demilitarize the Police. You have a problem that involved high powered weapons? We have the national guard in every state, plus Reserve troops.
-Term limits for EVERYONE. Not just the President.
-Pull back all US troops from the Middle East, Europe I'm okay with, 90% of that continent is in someway under American influence, whether in NATO or the EU.
-Stop giving every motherfucker Welfare who wants it, give them a drug test before we even consider it.
-No gun restrictions unless it is an actual military firearm (ex: Full auto, 50cal BMG, etc). If it looks "scary", that's because guns are supposed to either kill someone, or scare them off. Not ask them to go watch a 90 episode marathon of My Little Pony.
-Make the Government smaller. Less Government= Less room for corruption (sometimes).
-Press charges on Government officials who commit crimes (like Clinton).
-Keep the death penalty, use it for anyone who commits a successful terror act (like Boston), and/or offer it to anyone serving life in Prison.
-End allowing Corporations to make huge contribution to campaigns.

I have more but I dont feel like typing them.
Why is Bernie Sanders bad?: 4/7/2016 01:27:26


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I love astronomy, and believe we should study it more. However, let's face it, space programs are ridiculously expensive and give little to no actual research :P


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Military spending should be increased only to develop new technology.


Or just, y'know, spend on research-development directly.

Drones should be used only for surveillance on high risk nations (ex: unstable, in civil war, etc.), and used for combat only against enemies we have declared war, not this "Police Action" bullshit.


I'm not really against using them in fighting so long as it's been officially declared and all that. Using fighter drones in Syria is fair game (as fair as war gets), using drones in Yemen or Somalia is not. Also, what do you need surveillance for? It gives the same "world-police-dictator" vibe that want these folk to take down America in the first site - this is why America is rated #1 threat to world peace in a worldwide.

No gun restrictions unless it is an actual military firearm (ex: Full auto, 50cal BMG, etc). If it looks "scary", that's because guns are supposed to either kill someone, or scare them off. Not ask them to go watch a 90 episode marathon of My Little Pony.


Do you really want for guns to be sold to former murderers, or mentally unstable folk? That's just asking for trouble.

Press charges on Government officials who commit crimes (like Clinton).


What crime did Clinton do?

Keep the death penalty, use it for anyone who commits a successful terror act (like Boston), and/or offer it to anyone serving life in Prison.


It's just a cheaper (or should be cheaper) way to punish someone. Forget humane "lethal injection", they did an inhumane thing, so we will end your humaneness, hopefully in a like way as you did to your victims.

Also, in America, though, death penalty as is, way too used.

End allowing Corporations to make huge contribution to campaigns.


Good in theory, but you can't stop them, even if you illegalise it, there are ways about it. Just go with the way that gives the most freedoms, when in doubt: let corporations donate to politic campaigns.
Why is Bernie Sanders bad?: 4/7/2016 03:04:51


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http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Banishment.aspx


Banishment is better than death penalty.


Send criminals to a *self-sustained* community prison where they will *learn* new skills. They will work as a society. Few *state* expanses. There is a lot of unused land.


It works pretty much as a colony. I have heard that the first colonists in America were mostly criminals.


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Update :

Those things exist. Penal colonies are employed in some places.


MY super reliable source : https://brooklynmonk.wordpress.com/2007/03/28/modern-penal-colony-a-humane-alternative-to-brick-and-mortar-prisons/
Why is Bernie Sanders bad?: 4/7/2016 03:14:38


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I'm all for reknacking folk, but for some crimes, I think it would be unbearable to the victims' families to let the person's life go living.
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