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Is this cheater friends w/ Mods/admin?: 4/20/2016 03:10:07


Dust
Level 46
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I have reported the player CULPEPer/DRC/The Celt (all the same person, multi-accounting) for abusive language in public chat during a game but then nothing was done about it. I did not know at the time that s/he was the same person but I asked that everyone remain civil in chat. Then later in the game one of the accounts started being abusive again and I reported it. Again, nothing changed. Then all three accounts were abusive and I reported them all again, but again, nothing was done.

He actually ended up losing the game (to me!), which is super awesome since s/he had control of three players and still I managed to beat him. Then s/he stuck around and used his accounts to harass me and the remaining players. I reported him/her again but again nothing changed, he was still accessing the account and still being abusive. Calling me a faggot, making other remarks about my sexuality, my politics, other things (I said nothing about my sexuality or politics, he just started denigrating me out of nowhere) then proceeded to on multiple instances talk about how the other players were sucking on my cock or balls or other sexual statements but again, nothing is done about this.

I'm just wondering if anyone knows does this player have some kind of immunity like s/he is a moderator or friends w/ the people who run warlight so that s/he can do this sort of thing, break over half of the stated rules and just keep on doing it?

The accounts I know of are DRC, CULPEPer, and The Celt. Anyone know anything about these accounts?

https://www.warlight.net/Profile?p=2233024948
https://www.warlight.net/Profile?p=1330500411
https://www.warlight.net/Profile?p=3530572564

Some games where s/he plays all three accounts (including the one where I beat her/him and then later another player figured out s/he was multi-accounting)

https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=8429724
https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=7524991
https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=7752907

(my game w/ him)
https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=10648049


Anyway, idk what is going on but if you run into this guy/girl, you were warned.

Also be warned I can beat you even if you are a multi-accounter... haha I am stoked actually that I beat him! :D
Is this cheater friends w/ Mods/admin?: 4/20/2016 04:58:21

Gabi
Level 55
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You gain no advantage just because you have multiple accounts unless you go on a different team and intentionally sabotage
Is this cheater friends w/ Mods/admin?: 4/20/2016 08:02:25

jj
Level 55
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There are no moders in the game, as far as i can see. They never ban anyone, fizzer just does not care much. ugly truth.
Is this cheater friends w/ Mods/admin?: 4/20/2016 08:30:54


Bayern München is the best!
Level 58
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Well,you need many time to get Fizzer review the reports. Also,there goes a warning (just as happened to me twice) before a ban. But jj is right too. Fizzer cares about the game,not the players :/. (Not saying if I was the creator of a game I would make everything perfect)


Cheers,
Bayern
Is this cheater friends w/ Mods/admin?: 4/20/2016 08:39:33

Dublin Warrior
Level 40
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considering the extraordinary difficulty in playing a team game with other people who have their own brains, skills, lives, schedules, struggles, and so forth,

I think it should be illegal to play a ranked game with an alt for any reason unless it's made clear in the title and the description of the match creator that it is expected and encouraged for all to do so.
Is this cheater friends w/ Mods/admin?: 4/20/2016 10:09:45


Wally Balls 
Level 58
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rules against abusive chat are dumb anyway. this is a fucking war game. people are going to talk trash. so what.
Is this cheater friends w/ Mods/admin?: 4/20/2016 10:18:31


Angry Koala
Level 57
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Give them more time Behr, if you think they just skipped your reports, you are free to contact Fizzer himself at fizzer@warlight.net (or in his profile).
Is this cheater friends w/ Mods/admin?: 4/20/2016 16:57:54


Dust
Level 46
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@ Gabi-Stabi, how is it not an advantage to have multiple accounts? This is not a team game, there are 23 different players and 3 of them are controlled by the same person. So that means that 20 people are all starting w/ say 10 territories and 100 troops/turn income and one person is starting w/ 30 territories and 300 troops/turn income.

None of these games are team games, though I could see how it would be okay to play all three players of your three player team... that also sort of defeats the purpose of teamwork, which is to coordinate with other people who are not you in defeating other people who are not the same person and are trying to coordinate. One could argue that that is also an advantage since it is much easier to coordinate with yourself than with another person.

I fail to see how that is not a very distinct and unfair advantage. And no, this person does not fight with herself, s/he maintains peace on the borders with herself and attacks others in coordination with all of her accounts.

Ok, thanks for the input everyone I see that it is just not a big deal and I agree to some extent that it's not a big deal for people to talk trash, I'm fine with doing it except the terms of service and the posted rules say it is not tolerated/allowed so it kind of sucks that some little bitch can tell me to go suck a cock and I am obeying the rules and being polite to him in return when really I could tear him a new one and humiliate him but I'm trying to keep things civil and play by the rules that I agreed to when I signed up.

Edited 4/20/2016 17:03:28
Is this cheater friends w/ Mods/admin?: 4/20/2016 17:07:01


ChrisCMU 
Level 60
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FYI, mods do not get reports. Those only go to Fizzer/Mercer as far as I am aware. So don't accuse any Mods of anything.
Is this cheater friends w/ Mods/admin?: 4/20/2016 18:23:09


TBest 
Level 59
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@Behr, Forums are not the place to accuse someone of cheating. Please use only the report system when you think someone is breaking the rules. As it has already been mentioned there is no way for the reportee to know if any action has been taken, unless they are suspended (which is visible on their profile.) Thus a player may be (and usually is) warned first. Also, take my word for it, no mod would cover a player breaking the rules. In fact my impression is that Fizzer is more lenient than what mods are in terms of action taken.

@GabiStabi, you do in an FFA.

@jj, There are mods, through as far as I know Fizzer is the only one who can Ban players.

@Dublin Warrior, Playing with ALT's ONE THE SAME team, is not viewed as getting an unfair advantage. Arguably it is even a disadvantage, since no one is checking your orders or giving second opinions.

@Behr, If you believe someone is using inappropriate language, report them. Telling someone to go an suck a ****, is a clear example of this.

@ChrisCMu, The report system is a using mods. That is, a moderator will either ignore a report or recommend a warning or suspension. The latter two goes up the system. To my knowledge Fizzer is then the only one to give warnings/suspensions. Yup, different mods have different powers :D
Is this cheater friends w/ Mods/admin?: 4/20/2016 18:40:49


ps 
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ChrisCMU: i believe Fizzer mentioned on the previous AMA that reports also go to mods (maybe they are differnet from the forum mods?!) and that sometimes people get issued warnings and temp bans without his direct involvement.

Behr Palomo: Fizzer has mentioned multiple times that all reports are eventually checked (couple days after the report comes in) and that the reporter does not get any direct feedback on the measures taken (if any were taken). You won't see the effects of the report in the middle of your game.
Is this cheater friends w/ Mods/admin?: 4/20/2016 18:53:44


MightySpeck (a Koala) 
Level 57
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Tbest > ChrisCMU lol

also i should point out those games were Diplos not FFAs.

Edited 4/20/2016 18:54:55
Is this cheater friends w/ Mods/admin?: 4/20/2016 19:02:34

Hennns
Level 58
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It's already been said, but figured I'd say it again. You will not get any form of message if he's punished, and he is of course not immune. There's mods who go through reports, but the results of a players individual report is none of your business.
Is this cheater friends w/ Mods/admin?: 4/20/2016 19:33:27


ChrisCMU 
Level 60
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Well, maybe ps is correct. I know there are a whole bunch of abilities that people have on here, and that they are not standard to a specific role. I'm not sure you can even use the phrase 'mod' or 'forum mod' as those abilities could be different between two people in the same 'category'

I doubt anyone outside Fizzer/Mercer know who has what abilities. It would seem like transparency would be better there? Even mods don't know what abilities other mods have, obviously. It is like Fizzer has this Cabinet of people around him, but the other people on the Cabinet don't even know who else is on it, or what jobs/role they have within the Cabinet. It should at least be known to their peers, if not the public.
Is this cheater friends w/ Mods/admin?: 4/20/2016 19:48:36


TBest 
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I completely agree Chris, I want a more open triage system and a more open forum moderation. I know some mods can delete posts (has that button FIzz accidentally showed during the AMA), some can review reports, some can move threads. +Fizzer himself can mod whatever he wants! For the report system it is possible to see who has reviewed a report, thus I would know at least some of my fellow reviewers. And while I am rather public about my role, not all of them are :D

TL;DR I would want a king of tag like that FIzzer has, and a discussion forum for moderators. Oh and also give me and oher the ability to temp. ban players. Even 1 hour would do.

Edited 4/20/2016 19:50:04
Is this cheater friends w/ Mods/admin?: 4/20/2016 22:08:37


adrian waco
Level 25
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let da mods do wat they wanna do

wat are ur problem!
Is this cheater friends w/ Mods/admin?: 4/20/2016 22:45:43


ps 
Level 59
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ChrisCMU: from what Fizzer mentioned on a few AMA's i believe the system is obscure on purpose so users don't get harassed to exert their powers by random players.
Is this cheater friends w/ Mods/admin?: 4/20/2016 23:46:55


Zephyrum 
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@Dublin Warrior, Playing with ALT's ONE THE SAME team, is not viewed as getting an unfair advantage. Arguably it is even a disadvantage, since no one is checking your orders or giving second opinions.


+1 ^

Also, worth noting it's harder to handle the boot timer TWICE (which can be devastating in a real-time game).
Is this cheater friends w/ Mods/admin?: 4/20/2016 23:59:23


ChrisCMU 
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ChrisCMU: from what Fizzer mentioned on a few AMA's i believe the system is obscure on purpose so users don't get harassed to exert their powers by random players.


That is fine, it does not need to be public. But why is there no forum for mods themselves, where these abilities are known? There is no common discussion between mods on what they should be doing (where Fizzer could chime in). It can be behind the scenes, but it always helps to know who is doing what among mods.

Otherwise things like this happen (where I am misrepresenting the situation...not knowing that some people could see the reports).
Is this cheater friends w/ Mods/admin?: 4/21/2016 00:09:46


Zephyrum 
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Well, most other forum services do have a special forum only accessible to moderators when a certain case needs discussion and for guidance of new ones on what their powers are.

I'm actually kind of surprised Fizzer doesn't keep any sort of short and easy route for all moderators to contact, actually. You ruined my childhood, Chris :P
Is this cheater friends w/ Mods/admin?: 4/21/2016 03:14:06


Dust
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@ TBest, yeah I just posted on here since I am curious if these accounts have some sort of power/authority or link to authority I am unaware of. In regards to not being notified I specifically asked for someone to contact me when I filed my second report on one of the accounts and I was contacted by {moderator} who told me "Player has been given a warning 03.10.16

checked chat after that and i could not see anything that would warrant a new warning or more likely a suspension since player has been given a warning."

this was before being told to "suck a ****, F****T" and some increasingly abusive language. I reported the accounts at first for use of foul language and insulting me and other players as I felt it was disrespectful and directed at people personally, but "{moderator} explained to me that use of words like fuck were not something he considered to be in violation. Which is fine, I'm relatively new here, so I just want to know what the rules are. I am starting to think the wiki is not very accurate in describing what is actually tolerated.

Also in regards to knowing whether or not action has been taken, the fact that the person running the accounts continued to post comments made it clear that the account(s) had not been suspended, using deductive reasoning. I didn't need someone to contact me and tell me this information directly.

Edited 4/21/2016 21:11:19
Is this cheater friends w/ Mods/admin?: 4/21/2016 03:23:15


Dust
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Re: only using the report system when I think someone is breaking the rules. Yes I read the wiki and I understand that I can't report someone just because I don't like them or the way they play or they ganged up on me or a plethora of other complaints that don't actually qualify for reporting. I reported these accounts for breaking the first three rules as posted at https://www.warlight.net/wiki/Rules (which is a link provided when you click to report someone, so it seems official enough)

1. You shall be respectful to other players at all times.
(Player was not respectful, even after being asked to stop being disrespectful)

2. Racial slurs, personal attacks, excessive profanity, or any other offensive language will not be tolerated.
(Player made multiple personal attacks on myself and other players, including offensive, sexual and political slurs)

3. You shall not operate more than one WarLight account in a way that gives you an advantage in a game, tournament or ladder.
(Player used multiple accounts to gain advantage in a ranked, non-team, "Diplo" game as in OP. Another player discovered multiple instances of this player using the same accounts to do the same thing in other games, also in OP)

I'm pretty sure I used the reporting system appropriately.
Is this cheater friends w/ Mods/admin?: 4/21/2016 04:15:22


TBest 
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Firstly, I would clarify that I agree that your using the report system right. I definitely believe the player broke the rules. (What I tried to get across was that naming a player 'Cheater' on the forum is not the way to "report" someone. Simply reporting them is enough. But that being said, this thread is turned into a good discussion, so that was more of a general note.)

Now, this is slightly awkward
I felt it was disrespectful and directed at people personally, but "[another mod]" explained to me that use of words like fuck were not something he considered to be in violation. Which is fine, I'm relatively new here, so I just want to know what the rules are. I am starting to think the wiki is not very accurate in describing what is actually tolerated.

Because Technically the F-word violates the written rules. But WL not really a place for 13 years old, I believe most people here have no problem with common swear words. To recoup, technically even saying F*** once gives you a warning. But in practice, (and if I am reviewing the report) you need more than one bad word. Through there ARE exceptions, and players have been warned after saying a singel bad word in chat. Personally, I have the general rule of 3 bad words, always ---> warning. Also, generally you will only be "prosecuted" once for each game where you brake the rules. It depends also on whether it comes across as disrespectfull. Generally you have about 3 warnings for 'lesser' offenses before you get the 1st suspension.

TL;DR The wiki is very unclear on what breaks the rules, to allow reports to be reviewed in a context. Through the disadvantage is obvious, a lack of consistency on where the line goes. Also as you alredy know, the player did face consequences for his action in that game.

Edited 4/21/2016 04:18:53
Is this cheater friends w/ Mods/admin?: 4/21/2016 19:04:28


Dust
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Wait. to be clear are you saying by "Also, generally you will only be "prosecuted" once for each game where you brake the rules." that a player can break all the rules repeatedly in a single game and since it is in the same game that person could just continually break whatever rules they wanted and just be given a warning, since it all just happened in one game? This seems really weird since that means I could cheat, multi-account, abuse other players, continue to abuse other players for weeks and all I get is a "Hey, just so you know, you're not supposed to do that stuff."

then I can keep doing it for weeks more as the game continues? This just doesn't make sense. That's like someone steals from a store, the police come and give them a warning, then they go back in the store and steal over and over and the police say, "Hey, since this is the same store he stole from last time, we are just gonna say we already warned him." Then the guy goes and vandalizes the store and screams at the employees but then when the police are called, they say "Oh is this about the guy we warned earlier about stealing? Sorry, we won't do anything unless he goes to another store and violates civil code there."

That is, if you equate warlight to a society and the warlight rules to that society's civil code and the moderators to police.


Sorry for dropping the F-bomb. I was just told that it isn't bad and I have seen swear words all over though I don't prefer to use them much myself.
Is this cheater friends w/ Mods/admin?: 4/21/2016 19:22:52


ps 
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ChrisCMU: this is probably why mods don't usually reply to players who submit reports, because then the player can come on the forum to cry their woes and rat them out, like Behr just did and hours later edited out.

Edited 4/21/2016 21:46:29
Is this cheater friends w/ Mods/admin?: 4/21/2016 19:40:36

Hennns
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@ Behr, there is nothing wrong with swearwords. And yes, wl is not as strickt as you might like it to be, but that is up to fizzer. You (usually) will receive several warnings before you get a ban, but if you're toxic enough then you'll be perma banned. The status of other accounts is none of your concern. Also, I recommend that you use the blacklist.


@PS, there's no reason to reply except for special circumstances. A large majority of reports does not lead to anything. Not to mention it is relatively inconvenient to do (it's just a normal mail).
Is this cheater friends w/ Mods/admin?: 4/21/2016 21:24:35


Dust
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@ ps: I didn't really consider it "ratting the moderator out" to relate the facts of what the moderator did or didn't do/say. I did change the post to edit the name, if it really makes a difference, so the only identifying post is yours, now. People will do what they like and it's not my intention to criticize the moderator, I even said that's fine in regards to the mod's opinion on foul language. I'm just blown away that this player can blatantly break so many rules, continue to do so after being warned, and not get banned.

@ Hennns, yes I used the blacklist so I won't be in future games w. this person, but in the meantime they are spamming my game w/ insults and denigrating comments and just because warlight has a modification that allows me to put a blindfold on doesn't make it okay for them to still be able to post bs like that for everyone who hasn't blacklisted them to see.

Also, I am of the opinion that the status of their accounts is very much my concern if this person continues to trash talk me, continues to cheat others and is allowed to generally behave in direct violation of the standards of conduct. A community is about taking responsibility for each other and calling people out when they cross the boundaries.

Edited 4/21/2016 21:24:56
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