The argument is basically that a non-member can't practice commander games as easily as members and this gives an unfair advantage to members. I'm not overly inclined to agree. You can get into commander games easily enough, and you don't need to practice on that exact map - just learn and understand commanders.

Ultimately, when it comes to the match itself, it comes down to how well you play and whether or not you've paid doesn't affect that. That's what's important, and that's been retained.

Your argument could also be made to say that players who've been around for years have an unfair advantage over noobs. It's not unfair, it just is what it is.

That said, it might be worthwhile to add a single-player mode with commanders to allow people to practice that way

And if you can't beat the autopilot, you have no business being on the ladder. I think it's a fair basic requirement that you can beat the AI before you should expect to get anywhere on the ladder

It's like having a ladder where you rank people based on their proficiency in card games in general- but someone's poker skill doesn't necessarily reflect their blackjack skill, and the two should be measured separately.

1st of all the whole point of the rt ladder is it is a large variety of templates so is more of a measure at being good at a number of different types of playstyle rather than just strat me.

2nd, blackjack doesn't have skill in it, there are a set of rules depending on what your card and what the dealer's up card is which tell you exactly what strategy to go for to make the most money (or lose the least). Unless you are talking about card counting which you could argue is more skill based but follows a similar sort of thing, stick to the basic rules you can learn online and you will win more than someone going off what they feel like (on average).

Just learn the templates from actually playing the ladder, I don't get people who don't play the ladder because they don't know the templates/maps. Though a single player set level with commanders would also work, especially when it seems like something fizzer would happily implement.

But yeah the whole reason I have played the rt ladder for so long and so much is just because of the variety while under more pressure since it is real time. As much as I dislike commanders, if there is a decent template with them then stick it on the ladder.

Autopilot should still be taken off the ladders, the level of play at the bottom of the rt ladder is pretty low. Players rated around 900 on it probably would lose to autopilot most the time.

i dont get the problem with the commanders. i think they are just as stragetic as the normal settings and because of that a good thing to add as a template. why would you get very random games?

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Mister t you payed the last season. Do you feel like games with commanders on that template aren't pretty random, except you count everything (not possible on rt)? I feel like i should never have won that many games with the shitty picks+play i did last season

If you look trough seasonal games you see ridiculous stuff. Maybe fun, but not suitable for a ladder imo, cause with one guess the disadvantaged player wins

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well i do see your point that you have a slightly higher chance of coming back when you are slightly behind with these settings.

but look at window cleaner's season. he ended 6th. he lost 5 games exactly against the 5 people who ended the season above him and won against 15 who all ended below him. If there was a big random factor you would expect him to have lost against some people who ended lower and won against some people who ended higher.
i see this same pattern for all other people i checked.

if you have the feeling you should never have won that many games with your shitty play plus picks but because of the randomness of the commander you won some of those games anyway you can probably show one of your games to prove this.

in an ideal world somebody would do some factor analyse of all games if there is a bigger random factor with the commander settings compared to normal settings so we have prove. unfortunatly im a simple postmen so i dont have the skills to do this.

oh and as last de randomness is way bigger in your beloved strat wr settings.

I will show you some games when i come home

U complain about a game u r using for free!!!!!!
Thought about that anytime before?
Everyone likes to have anything for free in this world.
fizzer is doing a very good job and created the game we all love. This needs money for sure (server, etc.) So pay these few bucks and the discussion is done. u wont get poor through it. It costs not much more than a cinema visit and that is done after 2 hours. how many hours did u played WL?

Good lord, your English. Absolutely cringeworthy, there are also different ways to pay for warlight. In not being a member you give money to warlight with ads. Fizzer still gets money whether Im a member or not.

My take is pretty simple. I agree that allowing both members to use AI functions and create games using commanders while they are on ladders does give them an advantage.

HOWEVER, I believe the advantage is very small and/or as MoD stated earlier, only beneficial to those in the lower parts of the ladder.



What I would recommend it 2 things:

• Make it so that you can not use AIs on ladder games.

This eliminates that problem and keeps the integrity of the ladder.

• Allow both members and non-members alike to create games using ladder templates.

This would be great both for members and non-members alike to create practice games for ladders more efficiently and easier at the click of a few buttons. Additionally, I think this would entice people to join ladders as well as raise the level of competition on the ladder, especially at the bottom end, thus making the first problem even less of an issue than it already is.

Just my 2 cents.

+1

I agree 100% with what Master Ree just said.

But u understood what i liked to say. not everyone can be an conceited wisenheimer.

U may remember the ads are quite new and before that fizzer paid all.
so, he can pay a little bit money and his problem is done. cant understand a discussion about something which can be cleared so easily.

When u find mistakes -Keep them and be happy with it.

naturally :you. didnt recognized u were the one which opened the thread.

Dude what's your problem? Everyone supports Warlight in their own way. That isn't the issue. Master Ree offered a solution. You busy complaining about something else and derailing the thread.

Membership giving an advantage to players. yes it is and should be. they pay fizzer a lot of money and still not gave advantage! no way

Fizzer you greedy pig! Gimme some o' that money! I make the forums worth a read after all.