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Temp alliances/NAPs in team games: 4/22/2016 12:11:40


Davidian
Level 54
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Just a quick question for you all. There's a team game where a number of players have gotten booted, so I found myself without both of my teammates. In light of this, I decided to propose a NAP with a neighbor of mine who also lost both his teammates. Nothing too complicated, just leaving eachother alone for the time being. He agreed. I was then harassed by 3 people about this, saying I was a bozo/idiot/etc., that I was 'cheating', and that I needed to 'follow the rules'. Nowhere in the description of the game, public chat, or anywhere was it stated that forming temp alliances was against the rules. I checked the Wiki rules for FFA and team games, neither of which prohibited it. I pointed this out, and was again namecalled and told to "stop cheating" and "grow up".

In your opinion, is it 'cheating' to form a temp alliance or NAP with another player from a different team in a team game where it isn't otherwise stipulated that they are prohibited? I'm curious.
Temp alliances/NAPs in team games: 4/22/2016 12:18:10


Buns157 
Level 66
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bozo


Sounds like poonsquad.

Just ignore it and blacklist them, you havent done anything wrong.
Temp alliances/NAPs in team games: 4/22/2016 12:28:15


Davidian
Level 54
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yeah actually, it is them. I just noticed that as their clan title. lol

Glad to know it wasn't me, they had 1 or 2 others come to their defense.
Temp alliances/NAPs in team games: 4/22/2016 12:38:42


QueefBalls
Level 59
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Alliances are for diplo games, not normal team games. I should also point out that Davidian's response to me saying this was to call me "autistic," and I don't value the opinion of anyone who uses mental illness as an insult.

Have a good weekend everyone! Poon on!
Temp alliances/NAPs in team games: 4/22/2016 12:38:57


Pooncrew 
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It's a team game not an FFA or a diplo. You play with your team. I'm sorry you chose poor teammates, but that isn't the other player's fault. Everyone else is playing with their team.
Temp alliances/NAPs in team games: 4/22/2016 12:52:21


Davidian
Level 54
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Where does it say alliances aren't for normal games?

And when you start your initial statement by calling someone a bozo, I think you give up the high ground on insults. Whatever you feel about my insult being in bad taste, it was no better or worse than yours.

Online, the use the word of 'autistic' is not literal. If you believe it is, then calling someone dumb/idiot/bozo is just as bad, because it's insulting them for an innate lack of intelligence or mental capacity.

You have been unable to back up any of your claims about how the game should be played. My recommendation? If you want something to be against the rules, stipulate it in the description when you first make it.

And no, it's no one's fault, which is why I made my own decisions. Nice try tho.
Temp alliances/NAPs in team games: 4/22/2016 12:58:39


Davidian
Level 54
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I would add that you self-admit to being a troll on your team page, but it looks like everyone already knows you are.
Temp alliances/NAPs in team games: 4/22/2016 13:00:36


QueefBalls
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I didn't realize I would have to specify that a game without "diplo" in the title would be playing by non-diplo rules. My recommendation? Next time take the steps to make sure your teammates don't get booted. For example, I texted Pooncrew "don't get booted" and then he took his turn.

Being a bozo is just a synonym for being a jabroni. Nothing to do with mental capacity.
Temp alliances/NAPs in team games: 4/22/2016 13:01:07


QueefBalls
Level 59
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Where do we "self admit to being a troll?" We're not trolls and everyone here knows that.
Temp alliances/NAPs in team games: 4/22/2016 13:09:26


Davidian
Level 54
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Actually, if you look up the word it does refer to intelligence. You can't just decide words mean something else no matter what you want, otherwise you have to recognize the non-literal definition for 'autistic'.

And that sounds like it was your mistake, maybe you should get more experience with regular games without any rules, where temp alliances/NAPs are plentiful. I'll let it go that you didn't realize it though.

I would also suggest you learn some professionalism as the host of a game and not insult someone simply for doing something you 'expect' them to follow without saying it anywhere.

The only difference between diplo games and non diplo games is what is enforceable. It never said anywhere that you can't make temp agreements in regular games.
Temp alliances/NAPs in team games: 4/22/2016 14:02:12


Judeburger 
Level 58
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If there are more than two teams of players it's perfectly natural for teams to agree to focus on the team that is a bigger threat to them, and unless the game creator specified that this was not allowed it's very childish to get salty about it. A game with more than two teams is a "team free for all" as in each team looks out for their best interest, which may include forming alliances and NAPs.
Temp alliances/NAPs in team games: 4/22/2016 14:44:14


Pooncrew 
Level 59
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@davidian the person who's played 25 games of warlight is going to lecture me on how warlight is normally played? You claim we have no experience? Also we don't self admit to being trolls because we aren't
Temp alliances/NAPs in team games: 4/22/2016 14:51:57

Krzysztof 
Level 65
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the person who's played 25 games of warlight is going to lecture me on how warlight is normally played

well, looks like i could do it, but it's not worth time.

@Davidian - it's exactly like judeburger wrote;)
Temp alliances/NAPs in team games: 4/22/2016 15:10:39


Davidian
Level 54
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This reminds me of the insult about my level. I was here in 2010 but forgot my old account info so there you go.

When you have no argument, resort to attacking the supposed credentials. nicely done.

@Kryzchu, gotcha, That's what I thought but a lot has changed since I was last here, so I wasn't sure. thank you dude :)
Temp alliances/NAPs in team games: 4/22/2016 15:47:57


Angry Frog
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The Poon squad members are hypocrites. As they've cheated many times in the past.
Temp alliances/NAPs in team games: 4/22/2016 17:17:20


Pooncrew 
Level 59
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We have? Thats news to me.
Temp alliances/NAPs in team games: 4/22/2016 17:19:56


Pooncrew 
Level 59
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Also @davidian you haven't provided any "evidence" either.
Temp alliances/NAPs in team games: 4/22/2016 17:39:12


MightySpeck (a Koala) 
Level 57
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I can only think of the Rules of Risk 2250 (or something like that)

Alliances, Peace, BackStabs, and Betrayal are allowed.
Temp alliances/NAPs in team games: 4/22/2016 17:40:28


OxTheAutist 
Level 58
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one two three fawr i sense a flame wawr
Temp alliances/NAPs in team games: 4/22/2016 17:48:39

M. Poireau
Level 53
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Oh, when will people understand that this is one of those topics which needs to be, you know, discussed?

Some people want a gameplay style where alliances and non-aggression pacts are part of the changing strategic landscape.

Some people want a "clean" game which is purely strategic.

Both are correct.

You just need to talk to the people you're playing with and get on the same page.

The best way, if you don't know? Ask.

I'm playing in a 3-team game right now, and we're organizing an alliance against the third team. I've asked the third team if they're OK with this, for the sake of making the game more interesting. Why not?

If you're setting up a game, you might want to specify your preference, as well. It makes a big difference - those are almost two entirely different types of games.
Temp alliances/NAPs in team games: 4/22/2016 17:49:10


TeamGuns 
Level 58
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Krzychu took davidian side, the conversation is over.
Temp alliances/NAPs in team games: 4/22/2016 18:44:19


tomjh
Level 55
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1. I'd like to point out that not one of the many well-used templates out there are for FFAs, if there was such a thing there'd be a ladder for it ('cause that's how everything works round here).

2. There was a 40 player FFA on edgeless square recently, nobody gave a speck of shit about people making alliances.

3. I thought you were going to make reference to the uservoice for peace treaty cards.
Temp alliances/NAPs in team games: 4/26/2016 17:10:23


Pooncrew 
Level 59
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We won
Temp alliances/NAPs in team games: 4/26/2016 21:48:32

Mike
Level 57
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Can we have the link of the game ?

Anyway why was vote not offered (and accepted) if boots happenned at turn 0 ? Or wasnt it at turn 0 ?

And alliances should not be allowed and regarded as cheats in FFA (or team games of more than 2 teams) unless clearly specified in the description. Otherwise it is just as unfair as a player having a secret alt in the FFA game. But thats just my 2c ;).
Temp alliances/NAPs in team games: 4/26/2016 22:01:14


Pooncrew 
Level 59
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Agreed Mike
Temp alliances/NAPs in team games: 4/27/2016 00:36:03


QueefBalls
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In this case it was a special edition game created to celebrate Patriot's Day so it wouldn't be right to end by vote. But even if it was a normal game I don't think vote to end is a good idea just cause someone got booted. It's not fair to the players that want to play and who take their turns in time
Temp alliances/NAPs in team games: 4/27/2016 12:35:50


Pooncrew 
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Plus its a 39 player team FFA, there is no way you are gonna get that many people to vote
Temp alliances/NAPs in team games: 4/27/2016 16:32:16

Mike
Level 57
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Are you sure because in the OP he says his teammates got booted. In a 39 FFA for sure vote makes no sense.
Temp alliances/NAPs in team games: 4/27/2016 19:21:54


Pooncrew 
Level 59
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Sure about what mike? The game was 13 teams of 3. His two teammates got booted pretty early i believe.
Temp alliances/NAPs in team games: 4/28/2016 15:47:10


Pooncrew 
Level 59
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Well in true bozo fashion I challenged Davidian to a 3 vs 3. With Queefballs, Jamrod, and I vs. Davidian and two open seats (pre reqs on for people above level 13 and boot% below 20) with 3 day boots because he said we can't win a game without booting. Davidian declined so he is a wuss. The End. We Win. BOOM
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