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I am looking for a clan :): 4/23/2016 23:36:55


Apollo[2]
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Hello All!

I just joined this game yesterday and I must say that I am very amazed at how warlight works. Great idea and game play. I love it!

I joined an 1v1 Real Time Auto Game and saw there was some fancy icon next to my opponents name. At first I thought it was because he was a member but when I asked him about it he said he was in a clan.

SO I was wondering, how do I join a a clan and does anyone have any recommendations for any clans.

Thank you for all your help

Tsunami
I am looking for a clan :): 4/23/2016 23:56:31


Zephyrum 
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AOE will definetely like you. You should ask someone to get in. Try Apollo?

https://www.warlight.net/Profile?p=5755701451
I am looking for a clan :): 4/24/2016 00:06:23


The Hysterical Koala
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Before we rush to recommend clans, its worth noting that there are many different kinds of clans. Before we can give you better recommendations it would be best of you told us what you are looking for from a clan. A social group? A bunch of players from your country? People who can be sparring partners and teachers? People to do diplomacy (role playing) games? Fellow Trolls?

These are not mutually exclusive but we do need to know what your priorities are first.

Edited 4/24/2016 00:06:35
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BUFFALO
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joyn da wacos mm
I am looking for a clan :): 4/24/2016 00:09:37


Apollo[2]
Level 47
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I do enjoy playing some diplomacy games, however I prefer more of strategic game play,

@Zephyrum

Is AOE a good clan for strategy? Are they a fun group?
I am looking for a clan :): 4/24/2016 00:15:47


Trixie Lulamoon
Level 54
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I wouldn't say we are the best at strategy but I can say the few of us that are active are enjoyable people especially Apollo
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Trixie Lulamoon
Level 54
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We are slowly developing a strategic group but I will admit that there is other RP Clans who are far more ahead in strategy. However though I would say it be a AOE would be a good start
I am looking for a clan :): 4/24/2016 00:18:34


Trixie Lulamoon
Level 54
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Also don't join the Wacos I'm positive that they are a troll clan
I am looking for a clan :): 4/24/2016 00:38:16


The Hysterical Koala
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If your focus is on groups that can help you learn more strategic play, then there are a number of viable candidates.

I would never suggest joining a clan that does not have some players with high rankings on the ladders (most ranked 1-100 on 1v1 ladder can give you a fair amount of useful advice, starting out), or that have a lot of members. If they lack the former then you can't be sure that you will get very good advice, period. If they have a lot of members, then you should think carefully before you join, maybe ask around to see what people genuinely think of them, and be biased to listen to better players. They tend to be more mature and knowledgable. Likewise, clans with only a few members, are usually a tad unreliable, even if active.

Anyone who recommends/mentions a single clan, well, I would be wary of them. They may not know that much about other clans at all, or might not have the same interests to say the least.


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You can see the full list of clans here:
https://www.warlight.net/Clans/List

(going from the top for the most part - My focus is on clans that can teach strategically, since that seems more important to you if you build a network of friends you can still have decent roleplay games. I am skipping anyone who is not to my knowledge a clan that would be good for teaching newer players. This includes skipping trolls, elites, non-standouts, and other clans that AFAIK are not organized for a purpose you would be looking for)

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Edit: Corp has been quietly working on improving their strategical focus despite their reputation. As a clan they are not top tier yet but it appears many lesser knowns are gunning for the top. Definitely worth a shot.

M'Hunters would be not bad though I think they have a minimum skill level required. The guide they linked at the top of their page is pretty helpful though :3

Hydra is also pretty decent for teaching newer players. In Hydra you do need to be a bit proactive about learning - usually if you want to learn from somebody you make a game with them. I'm somewhat obligated to toot our horn here given my membership but there are alternatives for sure.

One! has some good players, I don't know all of them, so they might or might not be open to teaching newbies. You would need to ask.

101st is also a teaching clan afaik. I don't know much about their inner works but from what I'e heard they are linked to the elite clan Lynx.

ACME Co is also a teaching clan from the looks of their clan page. ACL Tears is a good player for certain, I don't know very many others though.

[BR Fudew] is another teaching clan. I don't know of any elites in the clan but they seem reasonably friendly.

New World Order same as above but not Brazilian. :p

AOE ^ same as above but more RP focused afaik.

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In my honest opinion, Hydra and M'Hunters are your best shots for teaching strategical play though you might need to practice a bit first before applying for the latter.

Now, you don't HAVE to go to a clan to learn from other players but it helps a lot. Try to read some early bit of https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NyhCpIQKShAbWGXicO_ph9whV_UyMS-3a7_re0C7R8Y/edit#heading=h.g1s8mzy7wor0

or GG's strategy guide as well - https://www.warlight.net/Forum/34678-gg-warlight-strategy-guide

Once you have an idea of what you are doing with the basics, and are getting a decent win rate on auto games, I've heard that some higher ranked ladder players are willing to play games with others and teach them a little afterwards. (You seem to be a nice guy, I might be able to help you out a little too)

Edited 4/24/2016 02:58:11
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Apollo[2]
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whao!

this has really helped me a lot. Thank you a lot hysterical koala, I really do appreciate it :)

just a questions, is everyone here so nice? or are there some people i should be careful of?

Edited 4/24/2016 00:49:05
I am looking for a clan :): 4/24/2016 01:05:38


Taran
Level 55
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are there some people i should be careful of?

Quick list:
Anyone who says (and just some clans to avoid joining)

  • waco inc- troll clan
  • darklords- huge clan, probably no help to you at all
  • Icelandic Turtles- way too skilled, probably not into teaching
  • MASTER Clan- ditto
  • Warlight Staff- are you WL staff?

    Only a quick list of some clans off the top of my head. There are probably more things out there. I hope this helps you a little bit, though. And to answer the question of if everyone here is nice: no


  • Edited 4/24/2016 01:15:10
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    The Hysterical Koala
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    NP, you are a nice guy so far so I don't mind much at all ;)

    This place is a little wierd, its quite polarized really. On the one hand there are a lot of people who are pretty nice and willing to help others, etc. to varying degrees.

    There are a few normal people. Not sure where, but they are here somewhere.

    Then there are the trolls, and arrogant jerks who typically lack understanding of the game and don't know it. These guys are pretty common in open seat team games, sadly, making it much harder for any decent player who wants to improve, or wants a viable chance of winning. When you are new you won't notice much, but team games are a very different dynamic from 1v1 games so while you are learning I think you should either find a partner who you can trust, or try to learn from 1v1s. When you lose, go to the history and click back through the game, from the beginning, and try to understand where you messed up, and what the opponent did/shouldn't have done. If you are really serious, try to do this with the top ladder games from the top 25 or so players. You will get a sense of what picks will work and the like, when to stack (make large concentrations) of troops and attack the opponent, and the like. Even the losers of those games are good, so study both sides!


    Level means nothing. Ladder rankings and community reputation however, will, with regards to judging whether a player is good. Somewhat ironically players with win-rates in the 60s-high 70s are usually better than players with 80%+, because the latter often farm their wins on unsuspecting noobs.


    The basic tips I can give you that should help you everywhere you go -

    Use your history in and out of game - study your opponent, avoid wasteland bonuses, etc.

    If you are losing by a lot, surrender. Its not required but it is considered basic etiquette by decent/higher level players. Any decent player will not think worse of you.

    ABSOLUTELY AVOID BEING BOOTED. Many players and clans reject players who get booted too often. Consider whether you want multiday or RT games. 5 min with no autoboot is usually good for RT (real time) games. In mutliday settings, go through

    Single player games will be a bit helpful for grasping the basics. Autogames are fine for learning the basics too. I would avoid other games for a whiel until you at least understand autogames decently.

    Always, always read settings before you join games. Even Autogames at first.

    (in almost every common setting) - expand into safe areas, try to break opponents bonuses, protect your own, never assume your opponent will leave your bonuses, etc. alone. A good one will not. Defend choke points to avoid double/triple bordering (when an opponent controls one territory that reaches many of your spots at once. Really hard to defend.)

    Any player who is genuinely trying to help will probably see that you are new, and will not (should not) begrudge a bit of an explanation for why they want you to do a different move. If they can't explain it very well, then they likely are not very good themselves. If they tell you in a game with few players and a lot of big bonuses to concentrate your picks in one area, they don't know what they are talking about. In almost every template, Bottleneck's post takes precedence - https://www.warlight.net/Forum/68452-warlight-masters-spread-out

    Edited 4/24/2016 01:08:39
    I am looking for a clan :): 4/24/2016 01:07:17


    OxTheAutist 
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    gonna drink bleach

    also, learn about clans before recommending them.

    Edited 4/24/2016 01:09:57
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    crazypotato9
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    You should join the USSR clan. We have a good community going.
    I am looking for a clan :): 4/24/2016 01:13:08


    TBest 
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    I am not sure what Taran means? DARKLORDS is better then it reputation, Turtles and Masters are a bunch of friendly guys (who btw, is not really more skilled then MH.)

    and the WL Staff clan is the official WL workers. SO why avoid them? I mean, you won't get into the clan, but that is a given.

    Now for the real talk, DO you, Tsunami, play chess? Your profile pic is dope :D If yes, and also if you are any good please state your interest in a chess game.
    I am looking for a clan :): 4/24/2016 01:26:17


    The Hysterical Koala
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    Who are you talking to ox? :p

    Masters and Turtles I have found to be very strong players overall, and they are usually open to teaching in games, but joining the clans is another matter.

    I'm with TBest, you better be a chess fan D:<
    I am looking for a clan :): 4/24/2016 01:36:35


    kynte
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    From what I know about management and activity levels, it seems like Hydra would be better for most people who also have a shot at M'Hunters.
    I am looking for a clan :): 4/24/2016 01:36:38


    TheRiverStyxie 
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    MASTER Clan- ditto


    Actually the Masters are quite the opposite. Master of the Dead, Master of desaster and Sephiroth amongst other masters, have actually spent quite a bit of time helping me to improve personally. I do know they have spent quite a bit of time helping other players too. As long as you are a player with a genuine interest in improving, they're very noob friendly believe it or not :P

    They have set up a teaching clan here: https://www.warlight.net/Clans/?ID=245 which seems to work in the same way as Lynx and my clan 101st.
    I am looking for a clan :): 4/24/2016 01:37:11


    OxTheAutist 
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    what I mean is that there will be an "upset" in a particular division if what you say is really how you perceive clans ;)
    I am looking for a clan :): 4/24/2016 01:53:24


    The Hysterical Koala
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    edit: Vitriol has given me more than enough reasoning to revise my opinion of CORP. :3

    @Taran - the Turtles and Masters are usually pretty open to teaching you if you ask them decent questions after a game. (Unless you are me and bugged certain members far too much. lol!) Its more that they are stricter about who actually gets into the clan.

    Edited 4/24/2016 02:59:07
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    adrian waco
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    ya listen 2 the other noobs

    dont join us!!!
    I am looking for a clan :): 4/24/2016 02:12:41


    kynte
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    Sounds like you are unhappy that I didn't rate your clan higher Ox. I am stating an opinion based on relatively objective criteria


    CORP isn't primarily an RP clan at this point, so there are definite limitations to your knowledge and Ox is right to correct you since you are (to some extent) making the same offhand assumptions as a lot of other people.

    That said, other large clans have stronger top rosters (based on ladder performance) than CORP does.

    Specifically addressing your three points:

    1. part of Hydra (former Illuminati) ranked a little higher than Corp last clan league


    CORP's made some fairly massive strides since Clan League 7 as far as its player roster (and internal Clan League management) goes. Most of its current very top players weren't in CORP early enough to compete, iirc- and their top player from CL7 (mm3100) is also semi-retired now, replaced by a newer generation.

    CORP also had a lead in 1v1 but fell apart in 2v2 and 3v3. There's lot of nuances to this story, and I don't think a solid assessment can be made without having some head-to-head clan wars between CORP, Hydra, M'Hunters, and {101st} using recent rosters. (Regardless of their need, I think these should happen anyway.)

    2. that you guys are more focused on roleplay/diplomacy as a whole (from almost everything I have heard so far)


    This is the only reason I'm bothering to comment, since it's rather blatantly false.

    There's a bit of history to this, but basically- back when I was essentially running CORP (last summer, it's been a while), we quietly shifted toward a "crossover clan" and tbh I haven't really noticed much attention paid to diplo in CORP. Haven't received any diplo invites, and at least based on the top players + the forum activity, there's a much stronger focus on strat than diplo. The dominant subgroup within CORP is basically Scorpio (their strategic side) and a chunk of their diplo side (Ox, oljo, etc.) that's very heavy on just strat games. I haven't noticed any serious effort by clan management to do (inter-)clan diplos on the scale we had 5-6 months ago, but there's a lot of attention paid to ladders, tournaments, and internal/external leagues. CORP definitely takes the trophy for participation in public ladders (although they're behind on things like WGL, imho).

    That said, their strat focus isn't anything like what you'd see from an elite clan or the big strat clans; I think CORP is still weak on across-the-board skill- not as competitive outside the most common templates and definitely gets weaker outside 1v1.

    If you reiterate your call for concrete evidence, I think it's worthwhile to point out:

    a) I don't really have much of a stake here; I'm just contesting your points because- based on my experience with CORP- I think your assessment of its limitations is a bit off and potentially unhelpful to newer players.

    b) Traditionally, it's the responsibility of the person making the claims to actually evidence them- instead of demanding that they be believed until someone comes around to rebut them.

    c) I honestly don't know what sort of evidence would suffice to demonstrate that CORP is relatively weak on its RP focus. It's hard to prove a negative, after all; all I could show would be links to strat events with heavy CORP participation- but that's already public (e.g., tinyurl.com/infinity-premier and obviously the 1v1 Ladder and Season Ladder). It's already public knowledge that CORP is huge on strat participation/activity.

    Edited 4/24/2016 02:23:16
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    adrian waco
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    rememer not 2 join us ok
    I am looking for a clan :): 4/24/2016 02:20:27


    The Hysterical Koala
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    edit: was posted before Vitriol updated his post so out of date :p

    Edited 4/24/2016 02:29:33
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    OxTheAutist 
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    Basically I'm saying that you're calling something subjective objective, which is wrong.

    Also, personally i'd rather not be looked down upon by somebody who wastes time typing 20-30 paragraphs to someone when they do not realise the most basic thing about the person they are talking to x) . pure dense
    I am looking for a clan :): 4/24/2016 02:22:36


    OxTheAutist 
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    don't get me wrong, it's good intentions, like. Thing is the way you executed it was so thick like xD
    I am looking for a clan :): 4/24/2016 02:27:24


    kynte
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    Is this starting from around/after the previous Clan League? IIRC up until then everything I heard was that you guys were mostly roleplay/diplo, and not much aside from... silly posts outside of that afterwards, so my assumption was that the clan had stayed largely the same.


    That's kind of the issue. Partly owing to the name and partly to the reality that no one's really well-informed about every clan (after all, very few people are even active in multiple clans- and information is just very fragmented in this community, hence the influx of "which clan should I join" posts because you really can't tell just from the goddamn page what a clan's going to be like) and partly because there was a lot of opposition to building a strategic side to CORP, the image of CORP hadn't really caught up. It came up back when I cared about stuff and tried to recruit people- no one believes you when you say your activity is actually mostly strat and Fizztler just doesn't let you change your goddamn name.

    :P It's also why CORP always refers to itself by a specific initialism and never uses its full name.

    Since at least last May, CORP's had a lot of non-RP stuff going on. I mean, there's the obvious example of the precursor to IPL- https://tinyurl.com/csldata.

    If your claim is that- as of right before Clan League 7, CORP had not much beyond roleplay/diplo, then it's very demonstrably false and there's an intense amount of public information to the contrary.

    That said- and I want to reiterate this because I think CORP's done a poor job of fixing the issue- CORP's (ime) far behind M'Hunters/Hydra/{101st} in that most of its strat players' template preferences are fairly vanilla. I also think that CORP's been largely left out of the hidden layer of intermediate-to-elite strat competition (mainly tournaments) on WL.

    It's still in this weird limbo where it's able to easily crush any "RP" clan but not quite as strategically diversified/solid as Hydra.


    Actually, just to sum up the decline of diplo within CORP:

    8 months ago, I was setting up diplos on behalf of CORP between CORP and The Lost Wolves. The easy part was finding the 20 CORP players to put in, and everyone accepted. Wolves were a pain.

    Two days ago, I set up a diplo between CORP and TLW on behalf of TLW. Wolves were still a bit of pain, but the hard part now was finding 20 CORP players that would accept. Everyone I found in CORP that was a solid RP player was also much more likely to accept a strat invite from me (based on actual data, since I'd just invited about half the clan to strat games the week before).

    Edited 4/24/2016 02:33:34
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    Taran
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    @Hysterical, Styxie, and Tbest
    What I meant was people posting things like below to non-troll clan seekers on the forum

    Masters/Turtles
    https://www.warlight.net/Forum/144206-clan (nox)
    https://www.warlight.net/Forum/143804-market-clan-best-clan (nox)

    Darklords
    https://www.warlight.net/Forum/144194-looking-clan (buns)
    https://www.warlight.net/Forum/142374-looking-clan (buns) (and yes I realize people classify bayern as a troll)
    https://www.warlight.net/Forum/132852-best-clan-join?Offset=40 (Lord Jayoko)

    Hmm... maybe just Nox tells people to join those two clans... Also another thing I've noticed is that these threads get off topic easily, which might happen very soon if it hasn't started in this thread.
    I am looking for a clan :): 4/24/2016 02:42:42


    Bane 
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    Start from the bottom of the list and try each one till you find one that sticks.
    I am looking for a clan :): 4/24/2016 02:52:26


    OxTheAutist 
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    Buns and Nox are trolling afaik and I wouldn't be surprised about Jayko too ;)
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