Which is why I said to not trust those people ;)

Edited 4/24/2016 02:55:22

(apparently the forums sometimes save your posts even if you accidentally go to a different page)

I could go and pm the leaders of other clans and ask how their clans rate, or I could look for people who are actually in multiple clans, but obviously there will be some bias. Who will want to go to all that effort to go answer what presumably was a relatively short/simple question? Nobody has kept a running list of the different types of clans and their viability as far as I know.

My evidence before was that everything I had heard about Corp before the 7th clan league, including from members, was that they were mostly a roleplaying clan. I also did not know of very many relatively high level players but it is certainly true that I had not looked at the clan really recently, it appeared to not have changed. From what you (Vitriol) has said this appears to be incorrect so I don't mind editing my earlier posts to reflect this. I did know of some of the other stuff, like Infinity Premier league and the like, but my understanding of those were that they were not clan activity things and more the efforts of specific people - apparently information is patchy. If I am wrong then I don't mind being corrected there. (To give an analogy, if a clan member volunteered to keep score of a Clan League division, it doesn't mean the clan as a whole can be considered to really be involved with Clan League.)

Usually people don't make up stuff about internal ladders or what not so just mentioning that kind of thing should imo be just fine evidence-wise. Aside from the other stuff. Likewise, I was (somehow) not aware of the participation factor, that would certainly help qualify. For whatever reason I seemed to only run into a few CORP guys on the ladders, I must have missed them on my particular stretches. :/

You are right that I should/could provide evidence for my claims, but that applies just as much to any counterarguments. I don't mind being told I'm wrong, but I do like to have more to go on than

"gonna drink bleach

also, learn about clans before recommending them."


At least I'm not chest thumping or only talking about a single clan :/


I'm honestly surprised to hear there was opposition to building a strategic side though, given the enthusiasm which some members had for Clan League 7. O_O

Regardless, I'm happy to hear, (err, read?) that you guys have been taking big steps forward. I doubt the more well known strategical clans would have been able to teach the entire market, so to speak, and more competition is not unwelcome. Glad to have had this conversation with you Vitriol ;)

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Koala has been very helpful. One tip I have learned is that you NEVER want to be the smartest guy in the clan. You should always surround yourself with players above your skill level.

I would be very cautious of listening to the random players. In the beginning they can give you good advice but in general they are bad players. Avoid Diplomacy and Diplomacy based clans. Diplomacy games (aka diplos) are games that drive up your boot rate, get you invested in needless drama that just wastes time that should be spent hammering out your lvl skills in the auto games, and they offer little strategic value or life lessons. Also most diplo players are asshats.

Terms you should know:
GG=good game (its polite to say this at the end of the game but a select few players find it irritating)
BG=Bad game (said by sore losers who don't understand how they lost)
WP=Well played (if you had your skills seriously challenged and still won or if you learned something new from the other player then this is appropriate at the end of the game. Most games are not WP worthy. Only the Epic ones)
GL=Good luck (said at beginning of game as sign of goodwill)
HF=Have Fun (ditto)
Diplo=Diplomacy
RT=Real Time (games or players that operate in real time games)
RT?= real time? (The other player is asking if you would stay online so you can both finish a multiday game at a real time pace)
Loss Delaying=Delaying a game you know you are going to lose in hopes the other person runs out of time he can be online (This is shameful and should be avoided at all costs. If you are 100% certain of a loss then surrender.)
o7=Salute (that thing people do in the military. It is a recognition of respect.)
FTB=First turn Bonus. (A bonus that can be completed in your first turn. It has advantages and disadvantages)
report=report the other player for violating game rules (like cheating, linking to Porn or disturbing videos. These reports are reviewed by Fizzer's super secret police called Mods. If they find that rules have been violated they will forward it to Fizzer with a recommendation for banning.)

Edited 4/24/2016 03:03:17

For clarification, I said I was going to drink bleach in response to OP, not you, if that didn't come across right x)

I'm honestly surprised to hear there was opposition to building a strategic side though, given the enthusiasm which some members had for Clan League 7. O_O

Ironically, the biggest opposition I had (I wouldn't strictly call it opposition as much as concern- I always had to make sure and clarify that I wasn't getting rid of the RP side of the clan) was from one of CORP's best strategic players (actually the only one to crack the 1v1 ladder top 10 so far).


What's interesting is that the other side of Hydra (AWF) was semi-aware/involved with the transition- Benjamin628 was, iirc, the first non-CORP/Olympus (Olympus was a clan we heavily collaborated with when I was running things) player in CSL.

There's actually a whole bit of history to this, but basically CORP is fairly unique among clans right now in that it basically became the clan I needed when I joined (which is another story). xD

You should always surround yourself with players above your skill level.

+1

Good idea Nikolai :D

didn't know the o7 though but thats cool o_o

@Taran - In-game I think you can trust pretty much anyone from Turtles and Masters. Out of game, it probably depends on a variety of factors. I knew Jefferspin will sometimes troll people but didnt know about Buns :p

Also, you must have missed how badly this thread went off topic earlier X'D


(in response to Vitriol's edit -

thats kinda interesting O_O

Well, if you need other sparring partners, I bet some of Hydra would be willing to go at it, not sure if you would need to wait a little or not though depending on the exact format and templates, there is another challenge in progress from 101st and thats still being set up iirc.

:P That's up to Ox. He's basically been running the clan since I quit.

Maybe from the TLW side, although I don't know whether we've got enough players to be worth it right now. Probably going to go through more evenly-matched sparring partners and focus on the fundamentals so we don't get distracted by the more fun stuff.

GDI all them edits in response to eachother. Can't keep up! :'(

(Hope we didn't lose Tsunami in all this)

And now for my own attempt to derail the topic fully, it might be an interesting project for a number of clans to make up a library of their clan histories, it might help solve misconceptions. Great Expanse wrote up one for Illuminati, I think someone in AWF said they had one too though I could be mistaken.

I assume you referred to Angry Koala in your last post? If so thats even more ironic considering he joined Illuminati for a short time.

You should always surround yourself with players above your skill level.

+2 (beat that!)

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it might be an interesting project for a number of clans to make up a library of their clan histories

That's happening, under a 0 hours contract made by myself. Basically I update when I feel like it x)

And if there is enough demand right now we might be able to arrange something inter-clan ;) but don't try and make it look like I do everything, everyone pulls their weight =p

You should always surround yourself with players above your skill level.

My way of life. +3

everyone pulls their weight =p

Hey I'm not saying other people couldn't do a better job of it, if that's what you mean. :P

CORP would be a better strategic clan if they didn't spend all their time fighting with people on the forums.

Someone call the fire marshal- looks like we've got a pretty strong burn over here.

You should always surround yourself with players above your skill level.

+4

But seriously, Tsunami, I think you should learn a bit more about strategic game-play (as you're only new and it's what you prefer) before you seek out any clans to join. Send me a PM and I can invite you to a few 1v1 matches so I can try to help you progress as a player, although you can ask others for 1v1 games too. Once you become more experienced you should come back to this thread and join a clan that suits you.

Asides from joining clans to improve your game-play, there are also leagues that you can join to improve your strategic game-play. Here are two good leagues:
You can join the Small Earth P/R League run by huddyj (https://www.warlight.net/Forum/142469-small-earth-promotionrelegation-league-season-5), that's helpful because if you ever play coin games the template used in this league is based off the coin settings for Small Earth.
You can join the Promotion Regelation League run by Pushover (https://www.warlight.net/Forum/130085-promotionrelegation-league-season-18). This is a league based off the Old 1v1 Ladder settings and a lot of players play it, and they may be willing to give answers to questions if asked. Although you might have run out of time to join it, but ask Pushover anyway, he may let you in.

join the wacos

Ryzys has a good point @Tsunami - you should probbly spend a bit of time and get up to speed with at least some of the basics first, it will make it much easier for clans to accept you if you have an improved baseline of skill. It might also demonstrate an ability to improve, and commitment such that they should bother teaching you in the first place. If you join any outside things like ladders and the like, make sure you try to do some practice games beforehand, so you can at least get your toes wet in the new template.

please, don't be so naïve both of you. Tsunami has been here for plenty time and idek how you haven't noticed it with obvious hints from the getgo from not just him.

naivete ftw!!!!! gullibility is awesome!!! D:<

Reading back on his posts I think I see what you are talking about from Tsunami. that being said, If thats true though I'm starting to think it was a waste of time to type here given that other players dont seem to read the forums very well. https://www.warlight.net/Forum/149001-lookout-clan :/

Yeah it's a pretty obvious alt...

gg fooled me completely :/

unless its an unliked player though I don't see the need for secrecy tbh

Jesus christ guys, the Wacos are probably the ones giving the least naive advice here. How did it take so goddamned long to figure it out with me/ox hinting it? xD

It was even worse before I mailed him to hide his e-mail because he was making it WAY too obvious with that. >.>

unless its an unliked player though I don't see the need for secrecy tbh

As far as I know, he's not unliked; he's pretty chill anyway. But some people just like to play the two personalities, or maybe he's introverted, or maybe he doesn't want his own clanmates to notice this. I don't know, really.

Probably one of the funniest threads so far. I already sent my personal advice to him through PM. :p