Derived from Fredonia, mangled by 2pac not really knowing the background and trying to just incite forum stupidity

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The name "The United States of America", using conventional logic, does not imply to be the only nation in (North) America, or one thereof that has states and is united. I see no reason to change the name which was adopted over 200 years ago.

"The United States of America", using conventional logic, does not imply to be the only nation in (North) America,"

I think I read somewhere at the very beginning the US was meant to encompass all of America, so at the beginning it was meant to be only one nation all over America.

To respond to the Mexico and Brazil people: we were the only one when we were founded. They just copied us.

THE AMERICAN EMPIRE!!!!

The Divided States of Secular Westernisation.

Knyte, you never present arguments against anything, you just act as if everyone around you is ignorant and childish while yourself refusing to argue with logic.

No I am not referring to the Fredonian revolt in Texas by Anglo settlers trying to secede, I am referring to the initial use of the term by US folk referring to the US as Fredon instead of America.

From 1803

Proposal to the American literati, and to all the citizens of the United States, to employ the following names and epithets for the country and nation to which they belong; which, at the distance of 27 years from the declaration and of 20 years from the acknowledgment of their independence, are to this day destitute of proper geographical and political denominations, whereby they may be aptly distinguished from the other regions and peoples of the earth:

Fredon, the aggregate noun for the whole territory of the United States.

Fredonia, a noun of same import, for rhetorical and poetical use.

Fredonian, a sonorous name for 'a citizen of the United States'.

Frede, a short and colloquial name for 'a citizen of the United States'.

Fredish, an adjective to denote the relations and concerns of the United States

Example. Fredon is probably better supplied with the materials of her own history than Britain, France, or any country in the world, and the reason is obvious, for the attention of the Fredonians was much sooner directed, after their settlement, to the collection and preservations of their facts and records than that of the Dutch and Irish. Hence it will happen that the events of Fredish history will be more minutely known and better understood than those of Russian, Turkish, or Arabic. And thereby the time will be noted carefully when a native of this land, on being asked who he is and whence he came, began to answer in one word that he is a Frede, instead of using the tedious circumlocution that he was "a citizen of the United States of America." And in the like manner notice will be taken of the association of Fredonia and Macedonia and Caledonia as a word equally potent and melodious in sound.

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America is way too diverse to peg under single name. For example:

15.2% of americans are germans
10.8% of americans are irish
8.7% of americans are english
7.2% of americans are "american"
5.6% of americans are italian
4.0% of americans are french
3.2% of americans are polish
1.7% of americans are scottish
1.6% of americans are dutch
1.6% of americans are norwegian
1.4% or americans are swedish

And that's just the white people. More americans:

15% are Hispanic and latino
13% are some kind of black people
6% are asians
3% are some kind of middle eastern
2% are jewish

Thus, the official name of america doesn't attempt to describe all these people generically with one term as most countries do (russia, armenia, britain, france, mexico, etc), but rather is a pretty general description of our government:

"The United States of America"

"The United States" = a whole bunch of states, america is not unitary

"of America" = Pertaining to "America". This doesn't imply that we are the only nation in america, but rather that we are a nation that exists in america.

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1.7% of America are evil defectors ;)

America is way too diverse to peg under single name. For example:

15.2% of americans are germans
10.8% of americans are irish
8.7% of americans are english
7.2% of americans are "american"
5.6% of americans are italian
4.0% of americans are french
3.2% of americans are polish
1.7% of americans are scottish
1.6% of americans are dutch
1.6% of americans are norwegian
1.4% or americans are swedish

Gods, Americans are just'bout the only folk who base diversity on ancestry and skinhue. America is roughly 80% English ethnicity, 15% Spanish, and 5% other.

Brazil is also incredibly diverse but manages to give itself a name. Mexico less so but still.

Gods, Americans are just'bout the only folk who base diversity on ancestry and skinhue. America is roughly 80% English ethnicity, 15% Spanish, and 5% other.

No, america is around 8% english ancestry, and around 0% spanish ancestry. Where are you getting your numbers from?

Brazil is also incredibly diverse but manages to give itself a name. Mexico less so but still.

Brazil is pretty much 50/50 split betwen mixed ancestry and white people with areound 1% others, and the white poeple pretty much break down as Italian, Portuguese, and germans.

So what you have is:

Portuguese
italian
german
any of the above mixed with native

Not exactly diverse in the context of america.

EDIT: There are also around 8% blacks

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You never know Ox, they might be those filthy English pretending to be Scottish who got fed up with haggis and kilts.

1.7% of America are evil defectors ;)

Just an FYI, this number, 5.47 million scottish folks in america, is more than the number of scottish people in scotland, 5.29 million.

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america is around 8% english ancestry, and around 0% spanish ancestry. Where are you getting your numbers from?

This is not bloodline, this is ethnicity. Anyhow, I was doing it based on native tongue estimates.

https://apps.mla.org/cgi-shl/docstudio/docs.pl?map_data_results

Brazil is also incredibly diverse but manages to give itself a name. Mexico less so but still.

Not exactly diverse in the context of america.

Yeah, probably a better example would be India or Nigeria.

This is not bloodline, this is ethnicity. Anyhow, I was doing it based on native tongue estimates.

https://apps.mla.org/cgi-shl/docstudio/docs.pl?map_data_results

Ethnicity isn't based on what language you speak, it's based on your identifying with a group based on National or cultural reasons.

Linguistic groups are all well and good, but they're certainly no identifier of groups. Classifying all indians and americans together due to both groups having significant english speaking populations is simply wrong.

Ethnicity isn't based on what language you speak, it's based on your identifying with a group based on National or cultural reasons.

Right, but it's usually pretty close, and frankly, I overstand the concept of culture.

Linguistic groups are all well and good, but they're certainly no identifier of groups. Classifying all indians and americans together due to both groups having significant english speaking populations is simply wrong.

There's a big difference: most Americans speak English as their native tongue, while a very small minority in India speak English as their native tongue (I think it's less than 1 million).

A better analogy in this case would be the DRC and France. Both have French-speaking majorities but ethnically are vastly apart.