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Racist black people?: 5/12/2016 13:18:57


Paugers
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Yesterday, I got into a heated political debate with one of my neighbors who have become family friends and practically family. The argument began with police violence towards African-Americans (mind you, she's black and I'm a white male so I had to tread lightly) with her making the argument that police should be rational when making arrests and not draw upon emotions, stereotypes, etc. and me making the argument that police have to call on these human emotions because the positions their jobs put them into require them to be able to evaluate the dangers surrounding both the nearby citizens and them, unlike a soldier who is ordered that their target is there, fire (most of the time).

Anyway, the debate sprang from one topic to another, finally arriving on capitalism (which I believe is the most beautiful economic policy (if it can be called that? Not sure of the correct term) of any out there) and how she believed capitalism had corrupted humanity, specifically the people of Africa. Then she began going on to state that people of European origin are the root cause, then Anglo-Saxon!

This blatant racism would never have been appropriate had it been me referring to say, Rwandans as the root to genocide or something to that effect (which they are not, just as Anglo-Saxons are not the cause of capitalism).

In short, I am now on a mission to prove to her that life for Africans was not a perfect world as she believes prior to European influence on the continent and that in all reality, the world Europe has created is the best world.

I need sources, does anyone have a source for where trade began, the first empires and life for Africans without European interaction?
Racist black people?: 5/12/2016 13:33:00


Major General Smedley Butler
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Dude you're a anti-capitalist. Well anti-free market capitalism.

Anyways, tell her that the kingdoms in West Africa were founded on trade, and that the expansion of ideas through North Africa from Asia inadvertently saved North Africa by giving the Egyptian Mamluks firearms to defend against the Mongols with.
Racist black people?: 5/12/2016 14:18:32


Epicular
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"Allah" didn't create shit
Racist black people?: 5/12/2016 14:20:13


Paugers
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^
God did tho
Racist black people?: 5/12/2016 14:31:54


Epicular
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Cool story bro

I'm pretty sure "allah" didn't do all that but ok
Racist black people?: 5/12/2016 15:06:39


Lolicon love 
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Yeah it seems black people of african descent are going against capitalism saying it destroyed the country and are turning to marxism.
Racist black people?: 5/12/2016 15:25:26


Imperator
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God did tho


"Allah" is just the Arabic word for God. Sure most arabs are muslims, but for the ones who are christian or Jewish, They use this same word to refer to God.

A lot of muslims insist on saying "Allah" when speaking English because it sounds cooler. Take for example the shahada with "Allah" and "God":

There is no god but God, Muhammad is the messenger of God

There is no God but Allah, Muhammad is the messenger of Allah

^ See the difference?
Racist black people?: 5/12/2016 16:20:31


Okabe Rintarou ( AKA Hououin Kyouma)
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Please dont bomb netherlands , i love that nation.
Racist black people?: 5/12/2016 17:02:43


[AOE]Akeion
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As a black person,There are black racists and who you're arguing with is very misinformed. Also WEST IS THE BEST,ANONYM SUCK IT AND GET REKT.
Racist black people?: 5/12/2016 18:42:00


BUFFALO
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i hayt u all
Racist black people?: 5/12/2016 18:42:13


BUFFALO
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kill mankind
Racist black people?: 5/12/2016 19:17:35


OxTheAutist 
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Black racists do exist, but she is simply smart in some things, and stupid in 1 or 2 in this context.

Capitalism corrupts. Anglo-Saxons were horrible. Both valid points.

But Anglo-Saxons did not create capitalism.
Racist black people?: 5/12/2016 19:36:00


Darth Darth Binks
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Everyone forgets the Jutes.
Racist black people?: 5/12/2016 19:37:26


OxTheAutist 
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Lmao, is that a direct reference or am I just confusing it with something? :p :D
Racist black people?: 5/12/2016 19:37:40


Major General Smedley Butler
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So capitalism corrupts while socialism was implemented in most countries after decolonization, and somehow the stagnation and rampant corruption shown throughout socialist countries in Africa is still capitalism's problem?
Racist black people?: 5/12/2016 19:44:06


Belgian Gentleman
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There is no god but BELGIUM and Belgian Gentleman is his messenger.
Racist black people?: 5/12/2016 19:49:25

madking321
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I'm not to fond of capitalism since it will create a scenario where there are homeless people. Since capitalism is simply a clusterfuck with people only out to make money for themselves which is the whole premise of capitalism. What you get is a one percent holding onto billions of dollars, about say 30% working office jobs, and the rest divided up between various labor based jobs and of course the homeless.

So, all in all, i'm a socialist.
Racist black people?: 5/12/2016 19:57:12


Major General Smedley Butler
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So you like contradicting yourself?

Before you say the US has capitalism, no. It doesn't.

Homelessness increased under socialist policies done by LBJ.

Capitalism is folk looking out for themselves by meeting the needs of others as efficiently as possible to get more money for yourself.
Racist black people?: 5/12/2016 20:03:55


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I'm not to fond of capitalism since it will create a scenario where there are homeless people. Since capitalism is simply a clusterfuck with people only out to make money for themselves which is the whole premise of capitalism. What you get is a one percent holding onto billions of dollars, about say 30% working office jobs, and the rest divided up between various labor based jobs and of course the homeless.

So, all in all, i'm a socialist.


Actually, the premise of capitalism is that business owners have to pout the needs of their customers before their own needs; For example, if you sell shoes made out of cardboard because they are cheaper for you to make, nobody will buy them since nobody wants cardboard shoes; They will go to a shoe maker who makes real shoes, and you will go out of business.

Also, capitalism creates such an abundance that in a country such as america, even though there are homeless people, they can literally live forever just going around picking food out of dumpsters. This is contrasted with the Socialism of the USSR in which 8.5 Million people starved to death in a single year (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1932%E2%80%9333).

There is no god but BELGIUM and Belgian Gentleman is his messenger.


So is belgium like some dude now?

Edited 5/12/2016 20:07:26
Racist black people?: 5/12/2016 20:10:33

madking321
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Actually most nations including the U.S base their economy off of capitalism. Da fuq?!

"Homelessness increased under socialist policies done by LBJ." The problems with this argument? What you'r giving is a raw statistic which is hardly ever accurate.


"Capitalism is folk looking out for themselves by meeting the needs of others as efficiently as possible to get more money for yourself."

Did i not agree with that? The problem is(I have stated it before, so i will point it out again) that you end up with a few highly wealthy individuals who have successfully gathered a lot of money. What you get is this scenario where a large pool of money ends jamming a political cog as it were. Thus meaning that the money said person accumulated does not circulate. This leads to inflation and ultimately a far more poor middle and lower class.

@Major General Smedley Butler

Edited 5/12/2016 20:11:24
Racist black people?: 5/12/2016 20:12:58

madking321
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@emperator


IT's indeed true that the producer would have to meet the needs of the consumer, but this is again only to further their own wealth, so once again the customers are not coming first.

Also Communism and socialism are two entirely diferent things.
Racist black people?: 5/12/2016 20:18:21


Imperator
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IT's indeed true that the producer would have to meet the needs of the consumer, but this is again only to further their own wealth, so once again the customers are not coming first.


I don't understand what you have against people being rewarded for providing top-notch service to others. Why should everything have to be a charity?

Also Communism and socialism are two entirely diferent things.


Indeed they are.

There has never been a truly communist state, since communism entails two very fundamental differences from socialism:

1. In A communist country, there is no money

2. There is also no state, as it devolves eventually as it is no longer needed

The USSR was obviously not a communist country, as they had their own currency (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_ruble) as well as their own government. Indeed, the full name of the USSR is "The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics".

Edited 5/12/2016 20:18:32
Racist black people?: 5/12/2016 20:23:40


Major General Smedley Butler
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The US is not capitalist, it is economically fascist. There are tens of thousands of regulations, there is welfare, and while the goverent does not officially own all of the country, it acts like it does.


A raw statistic is what happened. The rate in which homelessness decreased went down under LBJ's policies, how do you misconstrue this?


The problem is(I have stated it before, so i will point it out again) that you end up with a few highly wealthy individuals who have successfully gathered a lot of money.

This has happened in America because the government cuts down competition in the markets and makes it incredibly hard for poor folk to excel in the market.

This leads to inflation and ultimately a far more poor middle and lower class.

Inflation in America was caused by abandoning the gold standard and the federal reserve printing off insane amounts of money. The middle class and lower class are incredibly rich in America and have great living standards, they aren't suffering.

Edited 5/12/2016 20:24:16
Racist black people?: 5/12/2016 20:25:19

madking321
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@emperator

"I don't understand what you have against people being rewarded for providing top-notch service to others. Why should everything have to be a charity?"

You were saying before that the consumer would come before the producer, i was stating that that was incorrect.


"Indeed they are.

There has never been a truly communist state, since communism entails two very fundamental differences from socialism:

1. In A communist country, there is no money

2. There is also no state, as it devolves eventually as it is no longer needed

The USSR was obviously not a communist country, as they had their own currency (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_ruble) as well as their own government. Indeed, the full name of the USSR is "The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics". "

Regardless, the country was controlled by power hungry leader starting with the Tzars, also why was the country referred to as communist?

On another note, usually socialism is a democracy.

Edited 5/12/2016 20:25:37
Racist black people?: 5/12/2016 20:31:58

madking321
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@Major General

"The US is not capitalist, it is economically fascist. There are tens of thousands of regulations, there is welfare, and while the goverent does not officially own all of the country, it acts like it does."

Your joking right?! A capitalist society is where MOST of the economy is privately owned.


"A raw statistic is what happened. The rate in which homelessness decreased went down under LBJ's policies, how do you misconstrue this?"

Let me put it this way, most customers would rather go to hotel B instead of A. This is a raw statistic, it's a fallacy to assume that it was the waffles that drove them away.

"This has happened in America because the government cuts down competition in the markets and makes it incredibly hard for poor folk to excel in the market."

The problem is that once people have money they do not spend it and thus fail to bring it back into circulation.

And your right it's the mass printing the money that causes inflation, but the mass production of money only happens when money pools and more money needs to be circulated.

Edited 5/12/2016 20:32:41
Racist black people?: 5/12/2016 20:39:09


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You were saying before that the consumer would come before the producer, i was stating that that was incorrect.


It is not untrue. It doesn't matter what the producers incentive is, the result is that they are aiming to produce the best product that they can.

Regardless, the country was controlled by power hungry leader starting with the Tzars, also why was the country referred to as communist?


It's not referred to as Communist anywhere, you're the only one doing that. Here is the part of soviet constitution that defines the soviet state:

Article 1. The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics is a socialist state of the whole people, expressing the will and interests of the workers, peasants, and intelligentsia, the working people of all the nations and nationalities of the country.

Article 2. All power in the USSR belongs to the people. The people exercise state power through Councils of People's Deputies, which constitute the political foundation of the USSR. All other state bodies are under the control of, and accountable to, the Councils of People's Deputies.


(https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_Soviet_Union_(1977)#Chapter_1._The_Political_System)


On another note, usually socialism is a democracy.


Which socialist states are you talking about? Practically all socialist states are one-party dictatorships, Such as:

Vietnam
North Korea
Cuba
China

Edited 5/12/2016 20:39:59
Racist black people?: 5/12/2016 20:44:41

madking321
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"It is not untrue. It doesn't matter what the producers incentive is, the result is that they are aiming to produce the best product that they can."

Nonetheless this system is still a greed based mosh pit. Which is what i stated before.

"It's not referred to as Communist anywhere, you're the only one doing that. Here is the part of soviet constitution that defines the soviet state:"

Actually, most of the U.S referred to them as communist Russia at some point. Did you not read the propaganda?


"Which socialist states are you talking about? Practically all socialist states are one-party dictatorships, Such as:

Vietnam
North Korea
Cuba
China"

I'm talking about what socialism was originally supposed to be. I'm talking about the definition of socialism. Those countries are not socialists because they say they are. They are in fact quite diferent from the main brand of socialism.
Racist black people?: 5/12/2016 20:50:37

madking321
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I would prefer it if we discontinue this argument.
Racist black people?: 5/12/2016 20:55:47


Imperator
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Nonetheless this system is still a greed based mosh pit. Which is what i stated before.


Having an incentive to help people does not constitute greed. There is absolutely no reason why people should have to help someone out of the goodness of their heart.

Actually, most of the U.S referred to them as communist Russia at some point. Did you not read the propaganda?


It's a sort of shorthand, since the name of the ruling party was the communist party, and russia was the largest of the fifteen republics, but it's rather unhelpful as the USSR was neither communist nor consisting solely of russia.

I'm talking about what socialism was originally supposed to be. I'm talking about the definition of socialism. Those countries are not socialists because they say they are. They are in fact quite diferent from the main brand of socialism.


This is mainstream socialism. This is what has been implemented in dozens of countries, and practically no other form of socialism has had as much success as marxism.

It's not valid to say that they are "Just not socialists". Do you have any reason to suspect that the Soviet union or any of the other socialist countries I've mentioned are not or may not have been socialist countries?

I would prefer it if we discontinue this argument.


Then stop posting.

Edited 5/12/2016 21:00:34
Racist black people?: 5/12/2016 21:06:58

madking321
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"Having an incentive to help people does not constitute greed. There is absolutely no reason why people should have to help someone out of the goodness of their heart."

But that's just it. Your helping someone because you want money and the power it could bring.

"It's a sort of shorthand, since the name of the ruling party was the communist party, and russia was the largest of the fifteen republics, but it's rather unhelpful as the USSR was neither communist nor consisting solely of russia."

Indubitably.

"This is mainstream socialism. This is what has been implemented in dozens of countries, and practically no other form of socialism has had as much success as marxism.

It's not valid to say that they are "Just not socialists". Do you have any reason to suspect that the Soviet union or any of the other socialist countries I've mentioned are not or may not have been socialist countries?"

I never said anything about them not being socialists. I merely said they were not main stream socialists.

More marxist than anything else.


"Then stop posting. You look rather foolish right now, so it is appropriate."

I think we both know that's not going to happen you pompous ass.
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