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Welfare and job guarantees: 5/15/2016 02:14:50


Жұқтыру
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Frankly, I see no need for it, for there is a much better system wielded in Finland and in Belarus (and probably some other countries): a 100% job (with livable wages) guarantee by the government. This means that if you're ever out of a job and looking for one, you won't have trouble. Now what happens if even the government searches can't find a job? Well, there are several good answers other than "they go on welfare", but my most liked: the government can make a job to fit your needs. That way, you're not just getting money for doing nothing.

Liveable wage = 1.9 (adjusted) $ each day, as said by WHO.

If you have family, make them work, too, unless they're too young or otherwise unable.

What are everyone else's thoughts on this system, though? Seems like an awful no-brains: get the system in every country. Both leftists and rightists should like this system.

Edited 5/15/2016 02:28:40
Welfare and job guarantees: 5/15/2016 02:16:09


adrian waco
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i like it

we should try it out in the usa

less poor ppl are a good thing

and they buy stuff when they got more money

Edited 5/15/2016 02:16:26
Welfare and job guarantees: 5/15/2016 02:17:40


Karl The Kike Killing /k/ommando
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There is no need for it. Communist Jews are just trying to destroy the USA one step at a time and if they can cause inflation they can profit off of it. Just like the Jew Soros did to Greece. We need to abolish the minimum wage it is a communist trick.

Edited 5/15/2016 02:18:57
Welfare and job guarantees: 5/15/2016 02:18:20


adrian waco
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u know nothing about econ so u should refrain from talkin about it
Welfare and job guarantees: 5/15/2016 02:19:08


Karl The Kike Killing /k/ommando
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Stay mad Jew
Welfare and job guarantees: 5/15/2016 02:22:59


adrian waco
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wat if ur the jew...
Welfare and job guarantees: 5/15/2016 02:25:10


Karl The Kike Killing /k/ommando
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Nice try JIDF I'm 100% white.
Welfare and job guarantees: 5/15/2016 02:26:45


karl's subconscious
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White in the flesh... but am I white at the heart?

Yeah, I think so.
Welfare and job guarantees: 5/15/2016 02:30:01


Жұқтыру
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With job guarantees, any justification for the minimal wage would be none: let folk work for whatever price they want, and if they're starving or something, they can get a job with livable wage.

So another +.
Welfare and job guarantees: 5/15/2016 02:38:13

[wolf]japan77
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I actually agree with this idea almost completely. The issue would mostly arise over the argument of what constitutes a living wage, and how to pay for such a system. I like that you are taking WHO's global estimate, but that happens to apply to the world, so probably a better way to measure it is to create a global agency that calculates it for much smaller regions.
Welfare and job guarantees: 5/15/2016 02:39:45


Karl The Kike Killing /k/ommando
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The guaranteed wage is for lazy kikes.
Welfare and job guarantees: 5/15/2016 02:40:18


karl's subconscious
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Isn't that what I am? Hypocrite.
Welfare and job guarantees: 5/15/2016 02:42:32


Karl The Kike Killing /k/ommando
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Jew
Welfare and job guarantees: 5/15/2016 02:42:38


Жұқтыру
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to measure it is to create a global agency that calculates it for much smaller regions.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Mac_Index

But yeah, I did say adjusted 1.9$, adjusted for how much you can buy with 1.9$. Base: so that you're not starving.

Edited 5/15/2016 02:44:27
Welfare and job guarantees: 5/15/2016 02:48:36

[wolf]japan77
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Should work, if the basic wage covers basic needs, that'll encourage people to get employed once higher-paying jobs appear to get a little bonus spending money, allow people to work at whatever wage they want to, and resolve a major part of the minimum wage, welfare, and other arguments over this issue, and you would technically always have all non-retirees employed, or maybe them to a lesser degree, who could produce things.

Interestingly enough, this happens to somewhat align with FDR's great depression policies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_Conservation_Corps

Basically an expansion and rebirth of the CCC to cover everyone
Welfare and job guarantees: 5/15/2016 02:49:39


Karl The Kike Killing /k/ommando
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FDR was a Jew and his policies only made things worse.
Welfare and job guarantees: 5/15/2016 02:51:15


Жұқтыру
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Mm, you talk Roosevelt, but Sanders is actually thoroughly against something like this, "workfare", he calls it.
Welfare and job guarantees: 5/15/2016 02:53:00


Karl The Kike Killing /k/ommando
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Sanders is a jew commie
Welfare and job guarantees: 5/15/2016 02:53:15

[wolf]japan77
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I support Sanders atm, but actually better align with FDR
Welfare and job guarantees: 5/15/2016 02:54:13


Karl The Kike Killing /k/ommando
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I knew you were a jewish communist Japan.
Welfare and job guarantees: 5/15/2016 02:55:40


karl's subconscious
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How can he be a country?

Hey! Stop thinking about the shit that comes out of my mouth. That's not what I do!

Edited 5/15/2016 02:55:52
Welfare and job guarantees: 5/15/2016 12:44:31


GeneralPE
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I am of the view that there should be no minimum wage. Poor people with no skills should be payed accordingly. If you can't find a job, join the army.
Welfare and job guarantees: 5/15/2016 12:50:47


Angry Koala
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Workers, masons and farmers should not be paid at all! Pay them one penny for 12 hours of work for the ones building roads, building houses, building infrastructures, feeding the world, creating real value such as workers in factories! At the meantime, the ones speculating in finance, politicians telling lies and not creating any actual wealth at all should be the ones earning millions! Welcome back to the 19th century!
Welfare and job guarantees: 5/15/2016 12:54:24


Angry Koala
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If you can't find a job, join the army.


PE, the army is responsible of billions of public debts and expenditures> when conservatives and libertarians contradict themselves.
Welfare and job guarantees: 5/15/2016 13:12:06


Major General Smedley Butler
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Panda you seem to confuse paying laborers nothing and letting them get paid what folk want to pay them. You don't need violence for a good wage.
Welfare and job guarantees: 5/15/2016 13:21:12


Angry Koala
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violence is advocated by you not me, not the one defending free guns. I do not believe violence is the best way to achieve things at all.
If there were some social improvements through these last 200 years, it is for some reasons. Advocating that people should not be paid at all is backward because no min wage would ultimately lead to abuses, if there is no labor law defending the poorest/lowest ones. I believe you are quite naive to think no abuses would emerge from it.
Welfare and job guarantees: 5/15/2016 13:23:20


Major General Smedley Butler
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Panda, the minimum wage is the government using force to make folk pay more.

If you're paid nothing, you are going to get another job or, not still do that job.
Welfare and job guarantees: 5/15/2016 13:29:22


Angry Koala
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But anyway people working whereas not paid at all already exist: one example interns or trainees (many abuses are reported each days about companies hiring trainees from college to avoid paying people, I can talk about that matter since I completed two non paid internships and works currently in one low paid student job), I bet you never worked of your life Major so it is perhaps why you are quite naive in people's benevolence in the "world of work". We could discuss about it once you have enough knowledge about it and once you have your first experiences at work.

This is why I do not take really seriously some participations here (waco, you, PE), from people here that have certainly not any experience at all, and judge it quite naively.
Welfare and job guarantees: 5/15/2016 13:33:43


Angry Koala
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If you're paid nothing, you are going to get another job or, not still do that job.


Again a simplistic view of the reality of the work's world. We are no longer in a time of full employment, economic perspective are extremely bad, in some countries you cannot find any other job, even for the lowest jobs you can find, competition is high, and getting higher each year.
Welfare and job guarantees: 5/15/2016 14:33:24


Major General Smedley Butler
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No ones going to pay you nothing, and if they do you won't get that job. Stop being dumb, and saying everything is too complicated to question. The minimum wage is horrible for folk, and keeps them unemployed because no one will pay them for work that produces less than they're being paid.
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