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M'Hunters approves of ladder cheating: 5/17/2016 19:00:16


Hell
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As evidenced by the fact that they have elected to keep AI in the clan, despite the fact that by now it is provable that M'Hunters leadership knows about the incident -- see their comments on https://www.warlight.net/Forum/152349-cheating-1v1-ladder?Offset=0 -- it can only be assumed that they have chosen to ignore the incident and not fire the player.

With that in mind, I request that M'Hunters be removed from the clan league until they demonstrate that they do not condone such actions.
M'Hunters approves of ladder cheating: 5/17/2016 19:04:36


OxTheAutist 
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you can't force Chris to remove anyone from CL

and please, type with your main account. You know you're starting a flame war here so at least have the integrity to show your face while you do it.
M'Hunters approves of ladder cheating: 5/17/2016 19:08:45


Hell
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you can't force Chris to remove anyone from CL


Of course. That's why I specifically asked. I am quite aware of semantics, you do realize?




and please, type with your main account. You know you're starting a flame war here so at least have the integrity to show your face while you do it.


I am the alt that takes down cheaters. This isn't my first rodeo, and it's what the alt is for.
M'Hunters approves of ladder cheating: 5/17/2016 19:11:45


wakanarai 
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Gnuffone who is in WG nowadays has been cheating on ladders in the past as well and that has been proven. Why should Chris ban M'Hunters for that fact and not his own clan as well then.
M'Hunters approves of ladder cheating: 5/17/2016 19:13:28


kynte
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Whoa. M'Hunters aren't responsible for enforcing ladder rules, and they shouldn't be forced/expected to kick out a player on their CL roster for unethical behavior that has zero impact on CL8.

This sort of expectation would set a very bad precedent.

Edited 5/17/2016 19:15:08
M'Hunters approves of ladder cheating: 5/17/2016 19:14:55


Hell
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If you're a competitive clan and think you deserve the title, you should act like it. If your players aren't playing by the rules, you don't deserve to compete. Simple as that.
M'Hunters approves of ladder cheating: 5/17/2016 19:22:53


Master Farah♦
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see their comments on https://www.warlight.net/Forum/152349-cheating-1v1-ladder?Offset=0 -- it can only be assumed that they have chosen to ignore the incident and not fire the player.
Those were my comments, not those of M'Hunters.
Edit: talking about last page of that thread, there might have been other MH players on that, not sure.

Edited 5/17/2016 19:23:53
M'Hunters approves of ladder cheating: 5/17/2016 19:28:33


Min34 
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I am the alt that takes down cheaters. This isn't my first rodeo, and it's what the alt is for.


Doesn`t matter, post this kind of shit with your main or don`t post it at all.
M'Hunters approves of ladder cheating: 5/17/2016 19:32:52


Catus Cauda
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and please, type with your main account. You know you're starting a flame war here so at least have the integrity to show your face while you do it.

I agree here. Post with your main and dont hide behind the wall called "Alt-anonymity".
M'Hunters approves of ladder cheating: 5/17/2016 19:34:12


Hell
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Very amusing, you attempt to attack the messenger instead of dealing with the problem. My identity isn't the issue here. Quit distracting yourself and the people around you.
M'Hunters approves of ladder cheating: 5/17/2016 19:34:47


master of desaster 
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Troll
M'Hunters approves of ladder cheating: 5/17/2016 19:35:47


Angry Koala
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^^^(to Catus) Saying the Alt.

Edited 5/17/2016 19:36:45
M'Hunters approves of ladder cheating: 5/17/2016 19:36:37


Onoma94
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Go away.
M'Hunters approves of ladder cheating: 5/17/2016 19:37:15


Norman 
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Hehe, let's see if a moderator IP check of Hell gives some result...

You are trying to hunt down the master hunters, prepare to get hunted down yourself.
M'Hunters approves of ladder cheating: 5/17/2016 19:38:55


Angry Koala
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Yes, I would be curious to know who is behind it, his profile says he is located in France and I only know 2 people excepted me regularly participating in this forum, any mod could give us some info?
M'Hunters approves of ladder cheating: 5/17/2016 19:40:26


Platinum
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All this drama over one guy stalling and trying to be a Gnuffone is now pouring here?
M'Hunters approves of ladder cheating: 5/17/2016 19:43:11


Dogberry
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Maybe I'm new here and don't "get" this community. However, I support the original poster, whether or not it is an alt.

Cheating begets cheating. It should not be tolerated by this community. Period.
M'Hunters approves of ladder cheating: 5/17/2016 19:50:58

MisterT
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i dont understand why m hunter tolerates a cheater in their clan
M'Hunters approves of ladder cheating: 5/17/2016 19:51:12


ChrisCMU 
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If they cheat on CL, the player will be banned there. Ladder cheating should be adressed by Fizzer.

Why target CL and not ALL leagues?
M'Hunters approves of ladder cheating: 5/17/2016 19:51:38


master of desaster 
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Mister T are you serious?
M'Hunters approves of ladder cheating: 5/17/2016 19:51:41


kynte
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It's not about tolerance but about enforcement responsibility.

Multi-accounting + stalling on the 1v1 ladder is a Warlight-level issue- it's a violation of Fizzer's community rules, and it's ultimately Fizzer's responsibility to enforce them (either directly or through his moderation system). A report was made through the system, and it's been verified that it was received, reviewed, and some actions were recommended or taken. Niklas has also withdrawn both accounts from the ladder. The people who needed to be aware of the issue to take care of it are all aware of the issue, and now it's entirely within their system.

It's not every driver's responsibility to chase down fugitives. There's an established system in place here, and there's no good reason to try and work outside it.

Clan League does not have a responsibility to make sure people play properly on the ladder. Clan League has- and enforces- its own rules, and its obligations end there. M'Hunters should not be compelled to remove a player from their own roster (unless that player's banned- if your presidential candidate gets arrested by the FBI, then it's not really in your hands anymore).

This would set a very dangerous precedent and undermine the current reporting/moderation system. Let Fizzer + his mods enforce the rules, Clan League run their own league, and M'Hunters run their own clan; there's a separation of responsibilities in place, and it's there for a good set of reasons.
M'Hunters approves of ladder cheating: 5/17/2016 19:55:37


Platinum
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@MoD

If someone was stalling/cheating on the 1v1 Ladder and acknowledge that they are doing it but refuse to stop their action even to get the rank for one day, I would kick him/her out of my clan on most situations with her/him the player.

Fair play is good play

Edited 5/17/2016 19:56:16
M'Hunters approves of ladder cheating: 5/17/2016 19:58:38


Hell
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Multi-accounting + stalling on the 1v1 ladder is a Warlight-level issue- it's a violation of Fizzer's community rules, and it's ultimately Fizzer's responsibility to enforce them (either directly or through his moderation system). A report was made through the system, and it's been verified that it was received, reviewed, and some actions were recommended or taken. Niklas has also withdrawn both accounts from the ladder. The people who needed to be aware of the issue to take care of it are all aware of the issue, and now it's entirely within their system.

It's not every driver's responsibility to chase down fugitives. There's an established system in place here, and there's no good reason to try and work outside it.

Clan League does not have a responsibility to make sure people play properly on the ladder. Clan League has- and enforces- its own rules, and its obligations end there. M'Hunters should not be compelled to remove a player from their own roster (unless that player's banned- if your presidential candidate gets arrested by the FBI, then it's not really in your hands anymore).


This is not an acceptable answer. If our community is to have rules, it needs to be enforced by every level of institution if you want to be taken seriously. Fizzer has only sporadically, at best, enforced the ladder rules. Do you want to tolerate sporadic enforcement? No. I refused to back down in the last time we had a major cheating incident, in which a member of GG was multi-accounting coin tournaments and getting away with it. We as the whole community should not tolerate cheating.

If you think cheating is unacceptable, you're either with me on this or you condone cheating yourself and you're just trying to deflect the issue. There is no grey area.
M'Hunters approves of ladder cheating: 5/17/2016 20:01:59


TeamGuns 
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I have to say it's also a matter of integrity. A clan has the right to choose wether to kick cheater or not, ppl shouldn't push the clan to decide on that matter, but the same clan won't have the right to complain if ppl start spreading that they're a safe heaven for cheaters and criticizing it for that.

As for the complain here, don't hide yourself behind an alt, try and have the balls to do it with your main.

Edited 5/17/2016 20:02:46
M'Hunters approves of ladder cheating: 5/17/2016 20:08:29


Norman 
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@Platinum:
Looking at your clan page 101st seems to have higher prerequisites than Lynx nowadays. Lynx doesn't have a history of kicking stallers:
https://www.warlight.net/Forum/52416-congrats-dwoogee

Edited 5/17/2016 20:17:24
M'Hunters approves of ladder cheating: 5/17/2016 20:09:01


ChrisCMU 
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If you want to advocate public shunning of a cheater, fine. But then do it %100. Dont single out my league. Tell everyone to blacklist the player instead.

Whether or not I agree with that action is irrelevant. I just want consistency from you


Also, i do applaud those who find cheaters. I asked for a ban from ladders in that thread. So my comments here do not change that.

Edited 5/17/2016 20:10:42
M'Hunters approves of ladder cheating: 5/17/2016 20:17:52

Ollie 
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No. I refused to back down in the last time we had a major cheating incident, in which a member of GG was multi-accounting coin tournaments and getting away with it.


Get your facts right... As soon as we heard he cheated we gave him the opportunity to defend himself. When he couldn't we kicked him out right away. Shortly after that he got banned for life on both accounts by fizzer. Cheating on coin games is a legal issue for fizzer so he can't even ignore such situations
M'Hunters approves of ladder cheating: 5/17/2016 20:32:20


ChrisCMU 
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Edit, sorry it was Gambler, got my names mixed up

Edited 5/17/2016 20:40:48
M'Hunters approves of ladder cheating: 5/17/2016 20:34:37


Hell
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Also, i do applaud those who find cheaters.


Found one! https://www.warlight.net/Profile?p=907472903

Huh, Gnuffone is in your clan right now. When did WG kick him out?
M'Hunters approves of ladder cheating: 5/17/2016 20:37:24


ChrisCMU 
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When did I say we kicked him out (he was in WM then)? Everyone knows Gnuff cheated on a season. It was discussed before he joined WG. He said he learned from his mistake.

Why are we rehashing old news?

Edited 5/17/2016 20:38:09
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