You were at the very least aware of the risks and had plenty of information available to understand why spreading MR is a bad decision. Like you've pointed out, this was far from the first time a hijack's happened.

Using words like "spreading" does not help your argument. It is a clear fallacy. I gave MR to ONE PERSON who happened to be the one person who wanted to hijack us. That is chance and is not the fault of the victim.

@ℳℛᐤƬrαńɋℰ✕: And you are?

Edited 5/18/2016 21:18:55

+1 Tranqex

For people who've never seen the "Manage or remove players" module before, here's what it says:



Be sure to only set players as a manager if you trust them 100%. Since they can do anything, they could even remove you from the clan if they wanted to take control.

It literally spells it out for you.

Edited 5/18/2016 21:21:52

Leave Semice alone. You can't blame him because of Royal's stupidity and everything Frizzer did is justified because he gave power back to the guy that bought the fucking clan. Thats life, you pay for something its yours.

Is the clan system perfect? fuck no. Is there a lot more that should be done to improve it? fuck yes,

Think Semice should be banned? fuck you

It's much more effective for the RP clan manager community (let's not pretend they're not consistently where these failures occur) to adopt some basic security practices.

Who's the guy that originally bought the clan, then?

For The Lost Wolves, The Royal Falcons, Bakkah Mekkah, La Grande Armee, CORP, and Royal Entente.

Eh...

Bakkah Mekkah, La Grande Armee

Both of those were by Cacao...

The Lost Wolves

...But Semice did it on the wolves four or so times.

Edited 5/18/2016 21:38:08

The Lost Wolves get hijacked

- Zephyrum, taking over after hijacking the clan from Relm, gives me MR with the expectation that I would remove his MR and take over the clan (and no real objections to the situation)

:D

We both saw that coming, didn't we? kek

But all is fine at the end, since that was the plan.

The best person to handle manager rights to is somebody whose never had manager rights before. They're usually filled with enough morale to handle it and stay loyal to the clan.

The second best is a person you know irl.

Third is a very good friend of yours.

Then the rest is more or less meaningless.

You honestly shouldn't trust anyone with MR you haven't really interacted with. It's not hard for wolves to put on sheep's clothing here.

Edited 5/18/2016 21:47:45

Stupidly gives Manager Rights to over a dozen people whom he absolutely shouldn't be trusting

You like to exaggerate things do you Knyte? I indeed gave MR to too many people and I recognized this was stupid, but it was certainly not a dozen of people, it was actually closer to 6, and I did not make that much mistake about recruitment or people I trusted excepted with The Lone Wolf (Semice's alt). After all Knyte, you were also part of the people whom I gave MR, and you did a good job. If I gave MR to people it was indeed because it was a time when I was more busy and I was desperately looking for new managers, CORP was basically a new clan and we needed to find people willing to help us to grow this clan, hence the reason about why I gave MR to so many people.

I have also to agree with Colonel here, although they were not enough careful when they gave MR to people, all the fault should not be devolved only to RE's managers. You tend to minimize greatly Semice's fault (since he tried to hijack many other clans in the past with some success), and I suppose you minimize it because you are yourself biased as you are helping the Wolves to improve (something that I respect totally) but Semice's action is going to tarnish Wolves reputation even more than before sadly.

And Colonel, Uservoice about one player is useless, as it has nothing to do about improving Warlight as a whole, if you want to complain about him, mail Fizzer directly.

After all Knyte, you were also part of the people whom I gave MR, and you did a good job

Yeah. Just like not everyone Obama's given weapons to ended up joining ISIS.

Even bad policies have non-zero success rates. I still maintain that you had no good reason to trust me at the time you gave me Manager Rights.

Semice's action is going to tarnish Wolves reputation even more than before sadly.

If we lose respect from you and Colonel over keeping someone who hasn't even been confirmed as hijacking RE, that's even less consequential than your concerns about Loli and Kapy.

I will not remove Semice from TLW. And like any other member of TLW, he can expect clan management to stick by him when he needs us. Like any good clan, we defend our members instead of turning on them under external pressure.

Edited 5/18/2016 23:19:55

Let me count the amount of people who had MR right before CORP was first hijacked.

Kazuki, Achilles, Death, Panda, knyte, Des, Tjoex, Hazard, The Lone Wolf, Elroi, Loli.

yeah basically 10. Now tell me that's closer to 6 kek xD

I'm getting drunk off 99% proof from my still and going pigggin' MMMMMM

Kazuki, Achilles, Death, Panda, knyte, Des, Tjoex, Hazard, The Lone Wolf, Elroi, Loli.

but it's okay that's all validated because he gave me MR (even though I only asked for him to invite someone and actually didn't do anything with MR until after the hijack)

Panda/Koala's a great player and obviously contributes to the clan. But his leadership policy had been misguided and ineffective at best.

Edited 5/18/2016 23:29:16

While all man are opportunistic, people you respect and trust and have known are far less likely than most to betray if you give them MR. Not everybody abuses MR or is out to get you, you just have to be thoughtful/mindful.

rates. I still maintain that you had no good reason to trust me at the time you gave me Manager Rights.

And Kazuki had no good reason to trust me at the time he gave me Manager Rights, right? But still none of us had the stupid idea to hijack our clan, and destroy a whole community of people just because "it is so funny" whereas they asked nothing at all.
If Kazuki did not trust me then CORP would have stayed certainly a one member clan, and without you CORP would have not become a successful strategic clan. If we start not trusting anyone then nothing would happen at all.

I am not usually defending Colonel here, but he was quite clear here when he said he did not gave MR that quickly, as it took 4 months as he pointed out. You are a bit too harsh with Colonel, whereas it is like Semice had almost no responsibilities and no faulty behavior at all.

:P If people are that easily able to gain and abuse your trust, maybe you shouldn't be so ready to trust just about everyone for the most tenuous reasons.

@Panda: You had no reason to even take that for granted with me. You also did not benefit in any way for giving me MR, and had no reason to believe you would. If you're willing to spread MR out like that and are now blaming everyone but yourself, I think that perfectly explains the hijack.

I'm not saying you don't trust anyone. Instead, you can acknowledge the reality that MR = full control and ownership.

At any given time, just have MR in the hands of the smallest set of people that are able to effectively handle day-to-day operations- usually 1 person. If that set is going inactive, replace them.

Never hand out MR to anyone that doesn't absolutely need them. Even with "trust," you're setting the bar far too low for a tool that lets someone just destroy the clan.

I mean, I trust most of my friends. Heck, I don't expect them to harm me if I gave them my credit card number, my license, and anything else they would need to steal my identity. That doesn't mean I just hand this stuff to them and then claim I wasn't at fault when things go wrong. There's no need for them to have my credit card, and a really strict standard needs to be applied to the purported benefits of giving them such power.

For some reason, most RP clan leaders just don't grasp that.

Edited 5/18/2016 23:35:03

Kazuki, Achilles, Death, Panda, knyte, Des, Tjoex, Hazard, The Lone Wolf, Elroi, Loli.

Achilles, Kazuki, Hazard and Death were going inactives.

Elroi was removed before that happened I think (needs to be confirmed) and Loli did not have manager rights, although he asked for them many times.

So yes there were only 6 or even less effective managers in that time.


And Knyte, you can criticize me, but during my management (counting also After Dark), only one hijacking happened, and it was during a very particular moment when I needed more people helping me to run this growing clan, it would have never happened in a normal situation, whereas under yours or Ox's 2 hijackings occurred and I wasn't even there at all, so clean your own backyard before starting criticizing others.


But lets stop derail this, explain me again why you minimize Semice's action here? Ok he took advantage of our "poor leadership" but tell me how his action (and supposedly Cacao for Bakkah and Grand Armée but I still need a proof about it Zeph) is not wrong here? It does a great harm to a community that never asked for this, and I do not see how this could be defended or minimized as you tend to do here just because you are currently working for his clan the Wolves... Try to be more objective Knyte.

I have a better idea LET"S KILL HI- on second thought maybe your idea's alright.


Let's ban him.