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Why the US will lose the war on terror: 5/19/2016 02:23:03


Major General Smedley Butler
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In 1978, communists took over in Afghanistan. Islamic militants, radicalized and trained by the US supported Pakistan government , began a militant uprising against the communist government. In 1979, President Carter sent aid to the Mujahadeen to hopefully make the Soviets intervene in the war. Why? To get the Soviets into a long-prolonged conflict costing huge amounts of wealth, to greatly weaken the economy of the Soviet Union and bring about a collapse of the Soviet ability to intervene militarily in the rest of the world. This worked , and over the years during the war, Soviet manpower, resources and money were sapped by poorly trained, poor farmers and ranchers with old rifles, shotguns, I.E.Ds and the occasional RPG.

In 2001, with the intention of drawing the US into a invasion of a country, most likely Afghanistan, to sap the resources of the US government and eventually cause a withdrawal of the US from the Middle East. This was the stated goal of Al-Qaeda from the beginning. The US launched a invasion of Afghanistan (Which had been in civil war since 1978), despite multiple offers by the Taliban to extradite Bin Laden to the US if evidence was offered. What continues to the day was America, it's allies and a Afghan puppet government waging war against farmers and ranchers who possessed little more than small arms and some explosives, and the training given to them by the US itself. Right now , the Afghan government is waging war against the Taliban insurgency with US support. The US and it's allies has poured trillions, and has potentially lost trillions (if not, billions) in worth to this conflict alone, let alone in Iraq, Libya, Somalia, and Syria.

This has had significant detrimental effects on the US, for example , inflation caused by the US government printing money , and the housing bubble caused by the Fed keeping interest rates down to compensate for said inflation. With a possible economic collapse coming soon, the outcome of this is coming to the present, and the US government will not be able to keep up it's sustained occupations and wars.

In this way, the ultimate backfire on the US government will occur, with a old strategy used by the US coming back and finishing the US Empire.
Why the US will lose the war on terror: 5/19/2016 02:26:19


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lol
Why the US will lose the war on terror: 5/19/2016 02:47:46


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Hmmmm, I highly doubt that the fed policy for interest rates was to fight the inflation, lowering rates do the opposit: they put fuel into the inflation rates, just like printing money, but in a smaller scale.

Also, the bubble that made the crash was caused by illegal behaviour from the banks, helped by a huge credit offer for a "safe market" and the stupid gvt policy of the "too big to fail", with billionaire helps injected to the banks in order to "save the economy".


For the rest I think it's all right, I'm looking forward to see the american empire fall. Wether it's a violent fall or a soft one (made by non-interventionists politicians), one thing is for sure: the world will be a better place.

Edited 5/19/2016 02:48:45
Why the US will lose the war on terror: 5/19/2016 02:50:35


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Would it really? Empires fall, but power stays, new "heroes" are raised, new dominances are made.

China and India are already overpowered, although they don't do so many military things - there's enough violence at home.

Edited 5/19/2016 02:52:09
Why the US will lose the war on terror: 5/19/2016 02:52:36


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Why the US will lose the war on terror: 5/19/2016 02:53:48


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Would it really? Empires fall, but power stays, new "heroes" are raised, new dominances are made.

The opening of MW2 really made a impression on you didn't it?
Why the US will lose the war on terror: 5/19/2016 03:06:40


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I don't dismiss that the fed helped cause the housing bubble, I think it is one of the big actors there. But I don't agree that low inflation rates have the objective of lowering the inflation... The objective is to create inflation and put more money into the economy with a goal of growing the GDP.

Other than that, I kindda dislike the misses library for informative purposes, bc I believe they aren't as neutral as they should be. I can't access the other link, but I also don't like too much the AEI.


For the misses institute, I'll leave this quote from your link:

Ironically, just as many mainstream analysts are seeing the wisdom of the Austrian view
Why the US will lose the war on terror: 5/19/2016 03:09:02


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Well yeah it's biased, but so is all news and especially ideology sites. If I get a article from something called RedStarNewspaper, you're inclined to believe a bias is there. Same with CNN.
Why the US will lose the war on terror: 5/19/2016 03:09:24


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Yep, played it all through in French in a week, some pretty good writing in some parts. The bit I was thinking of:

« Plus les choses changent, moins elles évoluent. Les frontières bougent, de nouveaux acteurs apparaissent, mais le pouvoir se trouve toujours un maitre...Mais quand on abat un ennemi, un autre pire encore vient le remplacer. Les lieux changent, commes les raisons et les objectifs. Les ennemis d'autres fois deviennent nos alliés. On les forme pour lutter à nos côtés en espérant qu'ils ne se retourneront pas contre nous. »

The more things change, the less they change. Borders shift, new doers come, but power always finds a king...But when a foe has lost, a worse one comes to take his stead. Battlefields change, and so do the grounds and the goals. Old foes become allies. They fight for our side, but we can only hope that they will always be on our side.

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Why the US will lose the war on terror: 5/19/2016 03:19:48


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Nice quote. And yea, power is a weird thing. I see it as a commodity, the only one created by men:


- You can buy power, if you have money.
- The more people listen to you, more power you will have, and you can use them to raise your power by using these people.
- The more you have, the more you feel well; power, as much as gold, is addictive.


That's one big reason why anarchy can't exist, and why it will always fail. As long as men exist, they will try to seize power. Cut down the gvt today, and tomorrow a corporation will become the new gvt. You can't take down an evil and expect the powerful to become good.

Ancap can't work, just like communism can't, that's inherent to the human kind. Give men a utopian world, and you're sure some day someone will start working to ruin it.
Why the US will lose the war on terror: 5/19/2016 03:26:27


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Cut down the gvt today, and tomorrow a corporation will become the new gvt

Corporations were created by government regulation

Give men a utopian world, and you're sure some day someone will start working to ruin it

Mankind and womankind have been working at making the world better since day one, it is because of human ingenuity and long term intelligence that we are not foraging in the forests for nuts and berries.
Why the US will lose the war on terror: 5/19/2016 03:29:08


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Ancap can't work, just like communism can't, that's inherent to the human kind.


It's not inherent. We humans have rid some things that used to be inherently of our specie, that's how we evolved from apes that "inherently" throw poop at each other as a mating rite. A human of today will have lost many "inherent" traits of a human of 200,000 years ago. A man today doesn't think that a woman is available to him for sex whenever he wants, I'd say this is a far bigger thing to break evolutionarily than just upgrading the selflessness for the tribe/family that we had/have.

One bad apple will spoil the rest, that's why we're far from it still, but over many years, we lose "inherent" traits.

Edited 5/19/2016 03:32:30
Why the US will lose the war on terror: 5/19/2016 03:40:11

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US already last, its a default clause called invading Afghanistan.
Why the US will lose the war on terror: 5/19/2016 03:42:28


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@MGSB

Again, a liberal bad assessment of the economy (economic-liberal); the actual gvt's role in the economy is to fight monopolies (or at least it was?).

I see capitalism as a darwinist system: the best fitted evolve and the rest just "die". Which isn't a bad thing, as it is needed for improvement of products and services. But the problem comes when a corporation is so performant, that it just kills out the concurrence or just merges with it. When there's a monopoly, the society as a hole suffers. An ancap or very libertarian gvt will do nothing but accelerate this processus, and the "laissez-faire" will end up with a lone corporation controlling all the economy.

And if you think that by some magic way, a concurrent corporation will rise to fight off the evil one bc of a supply-demand rule, you ignore the human factor, the powerful corporation will just take down the concurrence by any means, and there goes your savior.


@Жұқтыру

Yea, the society evolved, but hardly humans did. I'm talking about the human species, not another one, or the one our descendents may be. But the actual homo sapiens.

If society evolved, men did not. Break apart the current society, and we'll see the most terrible human behaviour comming back. We can see that every day with terrible crimes commited in war zones: rape, summary executions and warcrimes are a common thing in our days, go to Syria and you'll see.
Why the US will lose the war on terror: 5/19/2016 03:43:56


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Mankind and womankind have been working at making the world better since day one, it is because of human ingenuity and long term intelligence that we are not foraging in the forests for nuts and berries.


There is one thing that really noone really owns - it's a communist thing. The air.

And some businesses and folk are choosing to ruin it since they're selfish, and only interested in short-time. It's ruining it for innocent good doers, in ways of smog, for example. These businesses don't care a toe about "human ingenuity and progress", but just about making money.
Why the US will lose the war on terror: 5/19/2016 03:48:17


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The government is the only thing that can effectively establish a large monopoly. It does this through use of force upon companies that disobey standards, and the US and the socialists did this in the thirties, going so far to go building to building with guns rounding up folk working too much, or working for less money.
Why the US will lose the war on terror: 5/19/2016 03:51:23


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Yea, the society evolved, but hardly humans did. I'm talking about the human species, not another one, or the one our descendents may be. But the actual homo sapiens.

If society evolved, men did not. Break apart the current society, and we'll see the most terrible human behaviour comming back. We can see that every day with terrible crimes commited in war zones: rape, summary executions and warcrimes are a common thing in our days, go to Syria and you'll see.


Ok, society evolved. And it can evolve again. It's as easy as that.

As for war - 99% wars and bloody conflits are brought about by some patriotism or nationalism, which all governments support. Some evil, toxic pride of something they have no right to be proud of, this is what starts war.

If you've ever killed anybody, unless you have a big mental illness, if you see them die, their life leave them, leaving an empty shell of rotting nonlife, it's not something you want to do again. Humans killing other humans - this is very much not in "inherent" humanship.

Unluckily, now we can kill at distances, through the development of such wonderful weapons like ILBMs, but even common guns. You don't see the face, and way back when, it was very bad for humans to kill their fellow species - they work together.
Why the US will lose the war on terror: 5/19/2016 03:51:38


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We must eliminate air! It is dirty and socialist!

Anyways, industrialization in the long run has given life to billions of folk that would have not existed otherwise, and continues to do so.
Why the US will lose the war on terror: 5/19/2016 03:52:15


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The government is the only thing that can effectively establish a large monopoly. It does this through use of force upon companies that disobey standards, and the US and the socialists did this in the thirties, going so far to go building to building with guns rounding up folk working too much, or working for less money.


I didn't say a word about government, but air is truly communist-owned. See how it's dealt with.
Why the US will lose the war on terror: 5/19/2016 03:52:27


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lol at ppl who dont like the us hegemony

when its gone ull all beg for the good ol days
Why the US will lose the war on terror: 5/19/2016 03:53:30


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Drone operators tend to have almost as much guilt as other kinds of soldiers, so even long range killing is occasionally as bad.
Why the US will lose the war on terror: 5/19/2016 03:54:35


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The government is the only thing that can effectively establish a large monopoly. It does this through use of force upon companies that disobey standards, and the US and the socialists did this in the thirties, going so far to go building to building with guns rounding up folk working too much, or working for less money.


I didn't say a word about government, but air is truly communist-owned. See how it's dealt with.


I was talking to Teamguns.
Why the US will lose the war on terror: 5/19/2016 03:59:11


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We must eliminate air! It is dirty and socialist!

Anyways, industrialization in the long run has given life to billions of folk that would have not existed otherwise, and continues to do so.


Not at all talking about the history of it.

Business owners that are fouling the air are not caring a drop about humanity's progress, and hurt folk - it's estimated that CO2 in the air kills more for each joule than all the other kinds of manmade energy combined.
Why the US will lose the war on terror: 5/19/2016 04:00:04


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lol at ppl who dont like the us hegemony

when its gone ull all beg for the good ol days


ya, your hedges are the best.

can i buy? before theyre out of stock? pls?

Edited 5/19/2016 04:00:25
Why the US will lose the war on terror: 5/19/2016 04:01:18


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How does Co2 kill? If anything, it's given the earth more time to live, the earth was most likely going to lose life in two million years if humans hadn't rereleased more Co2 into the atmosphere.
Why the US will lose the war on terror: 5/19/2016 04:03:35

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@MSGB go read up on global warming.
Why the US will lose the war on terror: 5/19/2016 04:05:31


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Go read up on how global warming isn't some insane badness that will wipe out all life.
Why the US will lose the war on terror: 5/19/2016 04:07:56


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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/Main_symptoms_of_carbon_dioxide_toxicity.svg;
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/CO_toxicity_symptoms_%28en%29.jpg

In the early days of the Shoa, they killed Jews by locking them up in a lorry and left it running.

Earth will lose life in 15,000 years, and all the CO2 and global warming won't really touch a toe of it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_monoxide_poisoning;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercapnia

CO is way more poisonous, though.

0.32% air concentration: death in 30 minutes.
1.28% air concentration: unconciousness in 2-3 breaths, death in 3> minutes.

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Why the US will lose the war on terror: 5/19/2016 04:12:31


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Ok, society evolved. And it can evolve again. It's as easy as that.


That's the thing, society can keep evolving, but if someone breaks it apart, the human terrible part can still come back.


Anyways, industrialization in the long run has given life to billions of folk that would have not existed otherwise, and continues to do so.


Industrialization and capitalism aren't bad things by themselves, the bad is in the unintended consequences of each.


The government is the only thing that can effectively establish a large monopoly.


The gvt can establish a monopoly, and it does. Most gvt have the monopoly of justice, security and armed forces. But it isn't the only power that can create monopolies.

Go and read about standart oil and rockefeller. In 1904, Standard controlled 91 percent of production and 85 percent of final sales.

And then this: The evidence is, in fact, absolutely conclusive that the Standard Oil Co. charges altogether excessive prices where it meets no competition, and particularly where there is little likelihood of competitors entering the field, and that, on the other hand, where competition is active, it frequently cuts prices to a point which leaves even the Standard little or no profit, and which more often leaves no profit to the competitor, whose costs are ordinarily somewhat higher.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Oil


Also for the CO2 saving life thing, that's a non-sense. Darwinist views of evolution proves that somewhat life will survive, millions of species might go extinct bc of a mass extinction era, but some species will always survive. Mars was once a planet full of life, most of it is gone now, but there's still bacteria and monocelular life in Mars, waiting for something to happen so it can flourish again.
Why the US will lose the war on terror: 5/19/2016 04:13:23


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If a factory produces so much Co2 that folk start getting sick and dying in the area, so do the workers and that makes it unprofitable to the owner, since the factory is permanently shut down when it's running.
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