Well in this case let me clarify the things for you, as this is the place where i'm born and where i still live right now.

The Movimento degli indipendenti Insubrici is not a thing, it was created by doctor Nussbaumer, but disappeared when he got arrested. Furthermore if you look at all the politcal parties that compose the Parlament of Canton Ticino none of them would ever even think about an indepence from Switzerland, nor even a single rational thinking citizen.

You can't consider 10-50 peoples saying stuff about indipendce as a real, consistent and pragmatic will of indipendence. (Sorry if I maybe seem to be aggressive, but I want only to demostrate reality and that all this stuff about "Movimento degli Indipendenti Insubrici" are not a proof that Ticino wants to be independent or join the "future indipendet nation of Insubria")

Neither Castilians, Cantabrians (they are Castilians aswell, but that's another topic), Leonese, Asturian or Aragonese for example in Spain want independence, yet they are in the map. That's why I say it should be changed "independence" for "nationalism", even if it's low, I guess.

it is not planned to put Castillans, Leonese or Cantabrians in that map anyway.

Well, it depends on what is him looking for. If he just wants independentism, he would have to remove half from those movements, I guess

Loads of these independence movements are jokes, like "Insubria", but I think that's part of the point.

I don't see Ingrian freedom fighters in Petrograd.

U forgetted da WACO independens movemont we r wanting all of da europe 2 b WACO cuntry

@[ESP] Pablo García:
@Angry Koala:
That map shows only a half of Silesia (Upper Silesia) and it doesn't show Kashubians at all. I don't know about other regions, but Poland is pretty inaccurate on this map.

as i said that the independence movements arent big doesnt mean they dont exist and as i said again i was going to use that map pablo but it doesnt have regions, if you find a better map with regions ill be more than glad to use it.

Edited 5/24/2016 05:53:56

ive drawn the map outline and started to do the dviding of the bonuses but whenever i did my first bonus divide it splits the map outline in 3 with lines running through the middle of the map where the 3 parts are

That map shows only a half of Silesia (Upper Silesia) and it doesn't show Kashubians at all. I don't know about other regions, but Poland is pretty inaccurate on this map.

Um, no... it is accurate. It's only Upper Silesians that have silesian identity (culture/language), and Kashubs don't want to separate.

@Onoma94:

Um, no... it is accurate. It's only Upper Silesians that have silesian identity (culture/language), and Kashubs don't want to separate.

You are wrong and here's why:
1. Lower Silesia is a part of Silesia and the capital of the entire Silesia is Breslau / Wrocław, which is also the capital of Lower Silesia.
2. The fact that Poles were forced to migrate to Lower Silesia doesn't make it non-Silesian. There are still plenty of Silesians in Lower Silesia, who speak Silesian.
3. Officially there is no organization, which wants to "separate". RAŚ only wants autonomy for the Polish part of Upper Silesia and only because it was historically given to Upper Silesia by Poles and then illegally taken away.
4. Both Silesians and Kashubians are trying to be recognized as a nation. Over 800,000 people officially declared Silesian nationality in the Polish census of 2011 (this includes Silesians from Lower Silesia). 228,000 people declared Kashubian nationality.

Edited 5/25/2016 03:40:44

we will take all your rectifications and points in count guys :)

Sai, you clearly misread what I wrote. :P None of what you wrote actually contradict my main point, which is that the map is not incorrect if it comes to Poland.
This about map of independence movements. Do Kashubs demand independence/autonomy? No. Therefore, they should not be in such map. If this was a map of ethnic minorities / nations without own state then yes they should be on it.

Lower Silesia is a part of Silesia

It is, I haven't said it's not. However:

RAŚ only wants autonomy for the Polish part of Upper Silesia and only because it was historically given to Upper Silesia by Poles and then illegally taken away.

Yes. And this is denoted on the map.

Both Silesians and Kashubians are trying to be recognized as nations.

Yes. I haven't said they don't.

The only active independentist movements I know of in Spain are indeed Galicia, the Basque Country and Catalonia. And even in case that you included regionalists the OPs map is random at best.

On regard of the second map, I doubt Asturias, Cantabria and León are independentists and I can't imagine what sources have they used. And Cartagena, what the heck, they may be using the cantonalist insurrection of 1873 to place it in the map. Grayed-out Extremadura itself has a more active regionalist scene than many of the places portrayed there.

Well, whatever the result, let's hope Chuck Norris manages to balance it for the sake of gameplay.

^there ar definitely independist movements in asturias( ive been there) but idk about cantabria and leon

@Onoma94: Autonomy is not even close to independence. The American states or even German lands have more independence than the non-existent Upper Silesian autonomy. By your definition there shouldn't be any independence movements on this map. And it doesn't even show the territory of the proposed Upper Silesian autonomy, since it includes Czech Silesia... The map is supposed to show movements, not legally registered organizations and the Polish law (or at least Polish courts, I'm not sure about the law) reject registering any separatist organizations.

It's all about politics. Poland doesn't even recognize the existence of Silesian language. Well, go argue with the International Organization for Standardization then, because they gave us the ISO 639-3 "szl" code. I assume you do speak Polish, can you understand this?

We antryju na byfyju stoi szŏlka tyju. Zarŏ wyfurgōm bez te ôkno skuli tygo fandzolyniŏ, abo siy klupna ô gardinsztanga jak niy trefia bo żech je ôżarty jak pierōn.

Polish point of view on this problem is obviously biased because of politics.

I'm tired of explaining it over and over again... Since this tread is for map making and none of us can help the OP more, I think it's good to just end the discussion about Silesia / Kashubia here.

Edited 5/26/2016 04:28:48