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A sad day for Austria: 5/23/2016 13:47:57


Angry Koala
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A sad day for Austria: 5/23/2016 13:57:54


Angry Koala
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Btw, congrats to Austria for getting this achievement: It is going to be the first time a European nation elected a far-right president since World War II. Congratulations again!
A sad day for Austria: 5/23/2016 14:02:29


The Lord
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The only sad thing is that liars call anything they don't agree with far-right. In reality, FPÖ policies are to the left of the Democrats.
A sad day for Austria: 5/23/2016 14:02:34


Paugers
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*Doesn't read the articles since it compares Donald Trump to far right candidates*

Read what Trump's policies are and you'd see he's fairly liberal.
A sad day for Austria: 5/23/2016 14:03:02


Major General Smedley Butler
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*drinks Cata tears*
A sad day for Austria: 5/23/2016 14:04:58


OxTheAutist 
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David Cameron is far right, yet he somehow got elected.
A sad day for Austria: 5/23/2016 14:35:10


Zephyrum 
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The true "far right" and "far left" are never elected, Cata; they just take power by force.

During his campaign, Hofer was compared to Donald Trump for his anti-immigration stance, carried a 9mm glock with him everywhere he goes, and has claimed increases in gun ownership in Austria are linked to immigration.


Anti-immigration, in the current state of Europe, is a great thing. If I were european, above anything I'd classify myself as "EUROPEAN", not "AUSTRIAN", "FRENCH", "POLISH" or whatever. And as it is Europe is going under a severe loss of cultural influence and value; you no longer see an estabilished german, french, british or polish culture. You see "a bunch of westerners". In this situation, letting in people overly nationalistic and that value their culture far too much (arabs and berbers) leads to cultural assimilation.

And I don't see how "carrying a gun with him everywhere he goes" is a bad thing. Self-defense. Specially important if you are a well-known person with a fair amount of haters.

Hofer's key message was one of immigration control. Last year, roughly 90,000 migrants settled in Austria, a number Hofer sees as far too high. He promised to try and curb further migration from outside of Europe and also reportedly vowed to carry out the deportation of Muslims.


Deportation is a bad idea for a multitude of reasons, but a closed border, in modern Europe, definetely is not.

Hofer also advocated repatriating the Italian territory of South Tyrol, which was once part of the Austro-Hungarian empire. Hofer proposed the idea in a speech in 2015 and has since said that one way of achieving this could be to give people in the area dual Italian and Austrian nationality.


This idea is actually quite interesting, since Trentino/Südtirol has a large population of both nations. And the two have no border conflict, great relations and are part of the EU and Schengen, so there's no real backdraw from this other than a potential loss of territory for Italy, but considering that region has nearly nothing too valuable for either country, a dual nationality region would be a win for Austria, a win for the people living there and cause no negative effects on Italy.

By the way, if he were truly in the far right, he'd just drop in armies in the location and call it a day. The extremes don't really care about diplomacy.

Hofer is a huge advocate for guns, carrying a 9mm Glock pistol around with him on the campaign trail.


As I mentioned before, this is no big deal in any way.

He has said that he understands the increase in gun ownership in Austria, "given current uncertainties," and says that gun ownership is a "natural consequence" of immigration. It is reported that Hofer has previously posted images on social media of him at a firing range with his family. Business Insider was unable to find these pictures.


...Why can't the poor guy have a goddamn gun around? Jesus, he gets called far-right in Europe for bearing arms? Holy hell. 90% of the article is the guy being bashed for having weapons. If you like comparing him to Hitler, just sayin', Hitler was an advocate of disarmment.

Hofer has been described by some commentators as the "Austrian Donald Trump" for his strong stance on immigration, populist politics, and promises to put "Austria First," a slogan that it has been suggested, draws inspiration from Trump's famous "Make America Great Again" battle cry.


Nationalism in a global scale would be better off if non-existant. But in a world where nationalism isn't easily abandoned, it's better for the sake of you and all those under you that you have a hint of it. The president of Austria musn't govern for the best of the hungarians, italians, germans, swiss or slovenes, but to the best of austrians. Can't he like his country just because of it's past?

Speaking of which; populism, nationalism, and basically everything mentioned insofar goes against the basic rule about the right wing: NO GOVERNMENTAL INVOLVEMENT IN ECONOMICS! Right-wing =/= Authoritatian. Much like Left-wing =/= Liberal.

And "populism", here, is a very notably centrist characteristic with a small lean towards the left *cough Dilma cough Lula cough Vargas cough*. I don't know where the hell Europe got it that it's a right-wing characteristic.

While there are big comparisons to be seen between Hofer and Trump, the Austrian is nowhere near as fiery in his rhetoric. He is famously soft spoken, speaking quietly and thoughtfully.


Which is great. As funny as Trump is, that's not quite how you handle diplomacy. And the first and most important thing the heads of state must do is diplomacy/speeches.

He also denies that he is a right-wing politician. According to the Guardian, Hofer said in a recent interview that he is "to the left of the US Democrats."


He might as well be. What I've seen so far indicates authoritarianism. I have not seen any economic policy; which is what defines the side he's on.

Hofer has portrayed himself as the "Stimme der Vernunft" or the "Voice of reason."


Beautiful name, but too arrogant, bruh.

Austria's presidency is a ceremonial role, and the most important power held by the president is the ability to dissolve Austria's parliament. But Hofer had said he would try to extend his powers.


Very suggestive.

Hofer said he would also refuse to sign the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership deal, as he believes it would infringe on Austria's sovereignty.


Well? Didn't you hate the TTIP? There he goes, actively giving the finger to it.

One of the biggest concerns in some circles about Hofer's near success is that it could help to galvanise other far-right parties across Europe. Marine Le Pen, the leader of France's Front National is expected to reach the second round of next year's presidential election, while in Germany, Alternative for Deutschland — an anti-Islamic party — has also experienced a gain in popularity.


Naturally, every time a country has turmoil on the horizon, authoritarianism gains power. From both sides.

The Netherlands has also seen a rise in the popularity of the Party of Freedom, which now tops the polls. The party is headed by Geert Wilders, who was banned from entering the UK for his role in creating anti-Islamic film Fitna.


>"Democratic" nation
>Banning people for expressing their opinion

Democracy works like that. It's everyone's right to be stupid at any given time without interference. The really questionable authoritarianism in all of this history is the UK, which issues bans to international leaders after claiming to be defenders of democracy for so long.
A sad day for Austria: 5/23/2016 14:35:53


Zephyrum 
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In short: I have yet to see his policies in-depth, specially his economic ones. But insofar what I have seen of him is mostly positive.
A sad day for Austria: 5/23/2016 14:47:37


Tristan
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We all are descendants of Adam and Eve peace and blessings be upon them both.


If we're all descended from the same couple then we're all inbred.
A sad day for Austria: 5/23/2016 14:48:23


Lolicon love 
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Well humanity is full of retards.
A sad day for Austria: 5/23/2016 14:50:30


Tristan
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Well that's true...


Back on topic though, why are people making such a fuss over Austria? Pretty much every world leader is an idiot. Austria just happens to be no exception.
A sad day for Austria: 5/23/2016 14:51:51


Жұқтыру
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As I said before, Austria is not nearly as bad as it is in Poland or Hungary. If real fascism begins in EU again, it'd start in Poland.
A sad day for Austria: 5/23/2016 15:10:31


Zephyrum 
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+1 Juq. Poland and Hungary have considerably more authoritarian governments.

Muslims are not nationalists


Arabs, berbers and turks are.

I'm not a nationalist, I'm not a racist and I love all my muslim brothers and sisters, I don't look at their race, whether they're Chinese or African or Turkish etc.


Much like Koala doesn't represent all basques, Juq doens't represents all belarussians or I do not represent all brazilians, you do not represent all muslims. Arabs as a whole are quit proud of their nationalities, despite their national borders only existing because Europe wanted so. Syrians, Saudis, Egyptians, Jordanians and Palestianians are, all in all, the same goddamn thing ethnically. And the difference between those and lybians, lebanese and the persian gulf are quite minimal because the Rashidun sure did a great job in their attempts of cultural assimilation, using the most effective method of doing so. Genghis Khan sure could've learned something from him, maybe that way his empire would have left a bigger legacy other than a bunch of corpses and half of their territory being annexed by China.

The only difference between them is who took the clay they live on after dismantling the last caliphate (the Ottoman one). Despite this, nationalist disputes are still quite frequent in the region; the sole reason they don't get much spotlight is because the region has so many conflicts they don't even have time to mention half of them.

The rest of your post literally has nothing to do with the topic.
A sad day for Austria: 5/23/2016 15:13:23


Empire of Kilos
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I don't see what's so bad about him, claiming he'll "Try to expand his powers" is a little suspicious, but the anti immigration stance is exactly what Europe needs right now, this limitless immigration has proven disastrous in places like Sweden. I'm sure that rich Arab Countries would be more than honored to take the rest in, since they keep lecturing us to do more. Looking at you Saudi Arabia with your 100,000 empty Air Conditioned tents, those alone could house up to 3 million migrants...


And the Firearm thing, well... It's quite easy to guess how I feel about that.
A sad day for Austria: 5/23/2016 15:42:47


DesertFox
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No, it's not sad, actualy is a good one, we narowly escaped from an austrian new fascist state
Cause Alexander Van der Bellen is the new President of Austria (independent, and leader of the Green Party in 1997-2008 )
A sad day for Austria: 5/23/2016 16:02:16


GeneralPE
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fml why do the lefties always steal elections. How many criminals and refugees voted, do you think? Maybe 110% turnout in some places?

Edited 5/23/2016 16:23:20
A sad day for Austria: 5/23/2016 16:25:47


Yukiteru Amano
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World War 2 is because of a SERBIAN TEACHER, not Austria.

Don't be racist Panda.

Blaming the Austrians for WW1 is as idiotic as blaming the Jews for WW2, and you'd have to be either racist or ignorant to say either.

Edited 5/23/2016 16:26:29
A sad day for Austria: 5/23/2016 16:40:39


Cata Cauda 
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Haha, Koala starts a thread in assumption Hofer would win.
Etsch betsch, you have failed, Koala.
No fascist Austria for ya.
A sad day for Austria: 5/23/2016 16:52:18


The Lord
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Wow. Election day calculations said Hofer would win with 51.7% of the vote, but he ended up losing with 49.7%. You cannot miscount so badly. The probability of that would be below 0.0001. Math Wolf can confirm.
A sad day for Austria: 5/23/2016 16:53:26


GeneralPE
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I am sure there was at least some tampering. No way predictions could be that wrong
A sad day for Austria: 5/23/2016 16:53:32


Angry Koala
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well, it was only some thousand votes, nothing to be proud of dear Cata. It basically means half of Austrians are fascists, tbh, I hope you will stop bashing America arrogantly saying how Austria is great, since they were going to do worse than what America could ever do with Trump.
A sad day for Austria: 5/23/2016 17:13:13


Angry Koala
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and TYRION, the death of the Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria is definitely what caused the first world war.
Instead of wasting your time here you should learn more what you teacher taught you in your history class kid.
A sad day for Austria: 5/23/2016 18:06:44


Yukiteru Amano
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HOW IS IT AUSTRIAS FAULT THAT FRANZ FERDINAND WAS SHOT BY A S-E-R-B-I-A-N????

DO YOU THINK THEY ASKED FOR THE HEIR TO THE EMPIRE TO GET ASSASSINATED???????

Really, the stupidity of some people....
A sad day for Austria: 5/23/2016 18:11:37


Angry Koala
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stop being childish (rather hard for you Tyrion I know)
A sad day for Austria: 5/23/2016 18:16:28


Cata Cauda 
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Austria was looking for a Casus Belli to attack Serbia. They would have done it sooner or later anyway. However it was not the Monarchy's intention to drag in the entire continent.
So I wouldnt technically blame the KK Monarchy for WW1.
A sad day for Austria: 5/23/2016 18:18:35


Major General Smedley Butler
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Casus Belli

Did I hear a Roman? Probably not, they're all dead.
A sad day for Austria: 5/23/2016 18:19:09


Angry Koala
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It is definitely the official event that caused the first world war. And Austria was the first nation to declare war and start that domino effect that quickly spread in other nations to a world war. So why minimizing it Catalina?
A sad day for Austria: 5/23/2016 18:28:53


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Wow. Election day calculations said Hofer would win with 51.7% of the vote, but he ended up losing with 49.7%. You cannot miscount so badly. The probability of that would be below 0.0001. Math Wolf can confirm.


The probability of that is 1 because it happened and it is correct. The green party candidate won the mail-in votes (from expats etc.) by far.
A sad day for Austria: 5/23/2016 19:11:29


adrian waco
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there was a austrian general by the name of hot en dorf or whatever the fuck it is

he was a warmonger

always looking excuse for war

the assassination of the archduke was a perfect opportunity for that
A sad day for Austria: 5/23/2016 19:32:07


The Lord
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Mail-in votes... what a sad day for Austria indeed. OP was right about that.
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