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Abraham Lincoln | The Great Deceiver: 5/25/2016 01:50:14


Paugers
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Abraham Lincoln. A man who went down in history as one who cherished freedom and defended the rights of all men and women, regardless of their color and fought to keep the United States as one. Right? That's what all the history books say at the least.

WRONG.

Abraham Lincoln was a racist, placed in power by "sympathizers" of the slaves but who would literally revolt against the thought of having to fight for black rights and the leader of an army that would refuse to go to battle with black soldiers simply because of their skin color.

He would go on to limit the income for black soldiers who risked their lives in the Civil War, giving them less than half the earnings of a white soldier doing far less dangerous work and found a colony in Haiti with the intention of sending the entire black population of America to the small nation. He even sent around 500 to test the plan out, 300 of which died of disease and starvation thanks to his mismanagement and a lack of supplies (what a hero right?).

This is a man who claimed that the Confederacy was a violent, hateful nation but for a long time refused to give the orders to allow his armies to release slaves in conquered territories (the goal of the War?)

A man who would cause the death of 750,000 American men and women and a man who's weakness was unmatched and shown by his inability to unite the nation and as a result would cause the greatest depression in Southern history after the great depression.

He molded hate and gave way to the rise of the Klu Klux Klan, segregation and the death of hundreds of black Americans.

This, is America's greatest deceiver.
Abraham Lincoln | The Great Deceiver: 5/25/2016 01:56:29


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Lincoln's goal was never Abolition, only Unity. He knew the Northern industry and economy would crumble without raw supplies from the South.

"If I could save the Union without freeing a single slave I would, and if I could save the Union by freeing all the slaves I would do that."
~Abraham Lincoln

It's not his fault the South jumped the gun because they were scared of a single Republican who never wanted slavery gone.
Abraham Lincoln | The Great Deceiver: 5/25/2016 01:56:37


Major General Smedley Butler
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One: Both America and the confederacy were slave holding, and the confederacy fought to keep this (though the Union didn't really fight to abolish it).

Two: The Union army freed thousands of blacks when going through Confederate territory.

Three: The confederacy started the civil war, by attacking first.

Four: The Klu Klux Klan was founded by Kucks like you who were butthurt over losing their stupid pseudo-nationalistic war.
Abraham Lincoln | The Great Deceiver: 5/25/2016 01:58:58


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The goal of the war shifted towards freeing slaves only after the Emancipation Proclamation in 1863. Before that, the vast majority of Union soldiers signed up to keep Unity.

And history books will tell you this. It is society, not history, that tells us Lincoln wanted to free the slaves.
Abraham Lincoln | The Great Deceiver: 5/25/2016 02:00:40


Major General Smedley Butler
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Yeah and I said the union didn't really fight to free slaves. Keeping it was the primary reason for the confederates though.
Abraham Lincoln | The Great Deceiver: 5/25/2016 02:01:12


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Most Confederate soldiers were fighting to protect their families and their Independence from the Union, but the States that seceded specified slavery as a determining factor in breaking away. Ironically, as I have stated before, Lincoln wasn't going to take their slaves away.

Edit: I'm still replying to Paugers, just throwing info out there. I don't mean to be debating with you, MGSB.

Edited 5/25/2016 02:02:18
Abraham Lincoln | The Great Deceiver: 5/25/2016 02:02:22


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Three: The confederacy started the civil war, by attacking first.

The Union started the Civil War by provoking the Confederacy when they refused to leave Charleston Harbor. Charleston was one of the largest ports in the South and it was a constant threat to Southern infrastructure for their base to be there, in addition to this just disrespectful. If we held a base in the port of St. Petersburg Russia would declare too.
Abraham Lincoln | The Great Deceiver: 5/25/2016 02:04:43


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The confederacy had no right to secede, especially when they refused to even talk to the Union. The union is not in the wrong for refusing to leave a port to you idiotic nationalists.
Abraham Lincoln | The Great Deceiver: 5/25/2016 02:05:23


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The Union didn't start jack. The South got its panties in a wad about a big bad Republican. The South got defensive about their uncalled for secessions. The South got trigger-happy at Fort Sumter.
Abraham Lincoln | The Great Deceiver: 5/25/2016 02:05:30


Major General Smedley Butler
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And it's not a America in Russia situation, it's a America in America situation.
Abraham Lincoln | The Great Deceiver: 5/25/2016 02:08:35


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America wasn't in America. One of the defining factors of the American Revolution was secededing when it wasn't allowed and when it was for the greater good. The Confederacy was an independent nation and the Union stepped all over those rights.

Edited 5/25/2016 02:08:48
Abraham Lincoln | The Great Deceiver: 5/25/2016 02:13:54


Major General Smedley Butler
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The confederacy was NOT a independent nation, and had no rights. America was most definitely in America. And secession was not for some greater good, it was for anti-capitalist slavers with a cancerous mindset that had been retarding the progress of the south for years.

Edited 5/25/2016 02:15:09
Abraham Lincoln | The Great Deceiver: 5/25/2016 02:17:47


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Abraham Lincoln | The Great Deceiver: 5/25/2016 02:17:56


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So Palestine isn't an independent nation? And Kosovo can go f*** themselves? NO. The residents of the Confederacy considered their nation independent and were willing to give up their life for it. In this respect, it was an independent nation and should still be one.
Abraham Lincoln | The Great Deceiver: 5/25/2016 02:22:31


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Kosova can go fuck themselves, Palestine was invaded by Israel.

There is what, a dozen folk willing to die for the confederacy? There is not some guerrilla war in the south right now, the most you get is some Klu Klux Kuck with a Virginia Battle flag. And having dumb nationalistic folk doesn't make you a nation.
Abraham Lincoln | The Great Deceiver: 5/25/2016 02:27:56

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yep, you gather together enough of these people, and out pops Hitler, Mussolini or Franco.
Abraham Lincoln | The Great Deceiver: 5/25/2016 02:30:17


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Kosova can go fuck themselves, Palestine was invaded by Israel.

There is what, a dozen folk willing to die for the confederacy? There is not some guerrilla war in the south right now, the most you get is some Klu Klux Kuck with a Virginia Battle flag. And having dumb nationalistic folk doesn't make you a nation.


You misunderstood me, I meant die for the CSA back then (when it was around).

This is idiotic. The Virginia battle flag is the defacto flag of the Confederate States of America and was accepted by almost every civilian as the flag at the end of the war. IT IS THE FLAG. Not some ugly design by politicians.
Abraham Lincoln | The Great Deceiver: 5/25/2016 02:30:48


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The Civil War never happened, it was all a conspiracy by the Illuminati
Abraham Lincoln | The Great Deceiver: 5/25/2016 02:34:37


Major General Smedley Butler
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No, it was not the flag. It was a battle flag , used to distinguish Confederate flags from Union flags during battle.
Abraham Lincoln | The Great Deceiver: 5/25/2016 02:36:21


Darth Darth Binks
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It's the Naval Jack and the pattern of the Virginian Army. It was never the flag for the CSA.

America seceded from the British Empire because of France, not for the greater good. Successful Southern secession would have killed the Southern economy, so that wasn't for the greater good, either. No industrialized country was willing to do business with the CSA when it "existed."
Abraham Lincoln | The Great Deceiver: 5/25/2016 04:28:18


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So Palestine isn't an independent nation? And Kosovo can go f*** themselves? NO.


Answer me this. Is Pridnestrovia, and Mashriq?
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