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Having trouble with World War 2320, the "boss"?: 5/25/2016 16:27:21

M. Poireau
Level 53
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I've heard a lot of people are struggling with this level.

If that's you, there's a simple solution - give it a thought! Here it is:

* The "boss" isn't your enemy! He's your *friend*.

Think of it that way, and I think you'll have more success. ;)

(Of course, you'll have to turn on him at the end... but that's just the nature of the game.)
Having trouble with World War 2320, the "boss"?: 5/25/2016 16:36:37


master of desaster 
Level 64
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I don't think you can influence the AI to move into europe. Maybe you glt lucky there, but the 2 times i played it he stayed all the time in NA
Having trouble with World War 2320, the "boss"?: 5/25/2016 16:39:20


DanWL
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At first I thought AIs 2 and 3 were the 'friends' and the boss was the 'enemy' xD
Having trouble with World War 2320, the "boss"?: 5/25/2016 16:39:22

M. Poireau
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Sure, you don't have *perfect* control of his movements, but you can try to judge what he's doing and then stay out of his way. That's second best, and should still win you the scenario.
Having trouble with World War 2320, the "boss"?: 5/25/2016 16:42:28


Dogberry
Level 54
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I won it on the first attempt in large part because the boss made a direct bee line for Japan and Asia. I found this level to be rather simple as a result.

This might indicate a significant problem with the construction of the level, if the vagaries of the AI's random decisions significantly affect the level's difficulty.
Having trouble with World War 2320, the "boss"?: 5/25/2016 16:49:20


master of desaster 
Level 64
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^ wait to try the last level :D it seemed impossible to me. I needed 37 attempts
Having trouble with World War 2320, the "boss"?: 5/25/2016 16:52:40


Fan the Apostle
Level 56
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I have never seen a guide thresd with such detail on the Forums in a long time
Having trouble with World War 2320, the "boss"?: 5/25/2016 17:07:20


Richard Sharpe 
Level 59
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My two attempts saw me trying to expand in all directions, but as soon as I met the boss's forces around Tennessee, he changed directions from Mexico back to US. I was hoping to prevent him from getting some bonuses there but couldn't also hold off the other two AIs.

I figure I want the AIs to fight each other, I just have to figure out how to make that a reality while also not letting any of them get too overpowered. Doesn't help that I am still adjusting to leaving no armies behind
Having trouble with World War 2320, the "boss"?: 5/25/2016 17:14:16

M. Poireau
Level 53
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Richard,

The "boss" will always attack, every turn. This means that you need to stay out of his way, and then mop up the swath of destruction he leaves behind him for easy bonuses.
Having trouble with World War 2320, the "boss"?: 5/25/2016 17:16:40

M. Poireau
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I've now played the scenario a handful of times. Sometimes the "boss" just heads to Asia on his own, and then the scenario is very easy.

However, it's certainly possible to win when that doesn't happen, as long as you apply the same logic:

The boss is your friend.

Don't fight him. Just follow in his footsteps.
Having trouble with World War 2320, the "boss"?: 5/25/2016 17:33:22


Perrin3088 
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put 1 army in all territs around the boss, then as last moves attack the boss territory to prevent the boss from owning anything besides where he stands..

I had to do it twice, first time he came straight at me, and I had difficulty keeping him contained while likewise fighting off the other two ai.. second time, he went up the NA west coast, and although he never left NA, the couple turns extra I had gave me enough income that I had very little resistance from the other two AI's, then just started putting bigger armies around him until I had a big enough stack behind him to make his assault my first turn move.

same way I handled the real bosses later on

I even had one of the boss clones show up right on an army that would of been big enough to have killed him.. -_-
Having trouble with World War 2320, the "boss"?: 5/25/2016 17:50:00


DanWL
Level 61
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It's a medium challenge once the Boss is helping you :)
Having trouble with World War 2320, the "boss"?: 5/25/2016 18:41:56


Jefferspin 
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Yes first time he came at me when I expanded south. Next time I didn't expand south very much and by time I met his troops he was on his way to Spain. Boss helped me very much. Thanks Boss!
Having trouble with World War 2320, the "boss"?: 5/25/2016 18:55:09


Richard Sharpe 
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Thanks for the info and insight... will have to play with it some more. Oddly enough, I'd rather play people than the AI... I can predict their movements better. The AI is too random/stupid sometimes. I'm also frankly a 1v1 player so the FFAs are always problematic for me.
Having trouble with World War 2320, the "boss"?: 5/25/2016 19:05:12

M. Poireau
Level 53
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Exactly right.

You can't use normal 1v1 tactics in a scenario like this.

I'm playing it through one more time, just out of curiosity, and, indeed, this time the "boss" refuses to leave North America.

I'm still winning, though - at most he takes one or two territories per turn, which I can often reclaim immediately. Meanwhile I'm taking out Europe and putting a dent into Asia. So it's definitely doable even under the "worst case" scenario.
Having trouble with World War 2320, the "boss"?: 5/25/2016 19:05:43

Master of the Dead 
Level 62
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World War 2320
You won in 15 turns


Like a boss!
Having trouble with World War 2320, the "boss"?: 5/25/2016 19:09:38

M. Poireau
Level 53
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That's very impressive! I think my run was 21 turns.

Another way to think about it:

* When the boss is fighting your enemies, he is your friend. Try to keep it at that!

* When the boss is fighting you, he's an enemy who is *crippled by a no-split requirement*.

That mindset should help, as well.
Having trouble with World War 2320, the "boss"?: 5/25/2016 19:34:58


Okabe Rintarou ( AKA Hououin Kyouma)
Level 56
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what is World War 2320
Having trouble with World War 2320, the "boss"?: 5/25/2016 19:35:25


Lolicon love 
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^
Having trouble with World War 2320, the "boss"?: 5/25/2016 20:07:00

M. Poireau
Level 53
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World War 2320 is one of the new single-player levels.

Go to "Single Player", then "Preview Levels".

Just for fun, here are screenshots from my most disastrous attempt (I couldn't get the boss to be friend, or even to leave North America). Still quite doable.

http://imgur.com/a/ul5zB

I believe the shots are turn 5, turn 10, turn 19, and turn 23.

As you can see, just about everything went wrong, including my failure to contain the boss towards the end.

Of course, at that point I had enough income that I finished him off pretty quickly thereafter.

Does anyone know how the boss's "spawn armies" ability works? Is it a secondary Reinforcement card that the other players don't have access to? Pretty intriguing.

Edited 5/25/2016 20:08:38
Having trouble with World War 2320, the "boss"?: 5/26/2016 21:01:29

Padre
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Ok, I have now read all of these and I'm still obviously missing something. Here are my problems...

1. Following the Boss is nice, except that typically, he has as good income or more than me by the time we actually meet up. (EVERY scenario I have played has had him working the western part of the US getting those big bonuses with ease).

2. Following the boss leaves Greenland vulnerable as the other two AI's have unabated access to more resources than I. (So even if they're fighting each other, they're doing so at +20 or more income.

3. Canada is not much help, in that by turn 4-5 the asian AI AND the boss have both established footholds in western canada leaving me with no viable options to grow and compete.

4. All times where I have moved into either Europe or Asia have been met with disaster because no one will leave me alone long enough to get a foothold or bonus. Typically by the time I have moved onto another continent, I either no longer have resources back in North America, or they have grown so monstrous that it's pointless, and I'm just running for my life.
Having trouble with World War 2320, the "boss"?: 5/26/2016 21:07:54

M. Poireau
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...and you don't have those issues in other levels? It sounds like you're struggling with basic Warlight strategy, not anything specific to the Boss.

Thinking of this scenario, specifically, I typically expand aggressively in all possible directions, but try not to ever be adjacent to the Boss.

I also like moving North as much as possible and then Blockading Iceland and Svalbard (iirc), leaving me in control of Greenland and North America separated from Europe.

The key to controlling the Boss is to realize that he will never move to a territory he already controls if he has options to attack instead. So, if you want him to move East, let him keep all the territory he has to the West, and then take one territory just to the East of him. He will then move that way. Rinse and repeat. You can even create a "chain" for him to follow if you attack through his current territory.

Edited 5/26/2016 21:09:01
Having trouble with World War 2320, the "boss"?: 5/26/2016 21:36:08

Padre
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I think my bigger problem is that by the time I've lured him away, the Other AI's are knocking.
Having trouble with World War 2320, the "boss"?: 5/26/2016 22:17:17


Carlos
Level 58
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It seems to me that the boss always chose the enemy territory with less armies in it to attack. If the boss have 4 territories, with 6, 3, 8 and 0 armies in it, it will attack the one with 0, even if you deploy all there. If they have 4 territories and all with 0, they seem to attack randonly (or the neutrals with 2).

So if you know where the boss will go you can deploy a few armies at the territories you dont want him to go at the next turn, and then you clean the territory you want (or better, you can attack with a lot the next territory you want him to go).

You can also predict were he will attack and blockade to kill him.
Having trouble with World War 2320, the "boss"?: 5/26/2016 22:49:21

why_amihere
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I've completed it twice now, on my 5th and 6th attempts.

The second time I won was easy, the boss went into Asia so I could expand almost unhindered in all directions.

The first time I did it the hard way - he stayed in North America, and the Europe AI came in through Greenland. With my inital 4 failures, I came up with the following strategy (numbers are more about importance than order):

1. Make a beeline for Novaya Zemlya, use that as a back door to Asia, then use an Emergency Blockade on it when you leave
2. Make a second beeline for Alaska/Hawaii to attack Asia on a second front. Asian AI will also be fighting with Europe at the same time, so he's an easy target
3. Expand as much as you can in North America, don't have any armies larger than about a 6 when you're near the boss, mop up behind him and restrict his income as much as possible
4. Once you have about 25 income from Asia alone you can neglect North America if you're really sandwiched (the first time I won I had 0 income in North America at one point)
5. Eventually you'll need to kill the boss. I've never seen the World War 2320 boss move onto his own territory, so you will eventually have a chance to put a blockade in his way to kill him

When the boss moved into Asia it was really easy using those same tactics, I haven't tried again without the blockade in Novaya Zemlya, and I never won before doing that.
Having trouble with World War 2320, the "boss"?: 5/26/2016 23:02:21

Padre
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SO the victory I just got was easily the most satisfying/depressing victory I've had here, even vs. Humans. Satisfying because I did it. Depressed because I feel like I got lucky. He went straight for Japan, and never looked back. By the time I encountered him again, I was getting 100 income.
Having trouble with World War 2320, the "boss"?: 5/28/2016 20:29:24


Richard Sharpe 
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Success! 4th try, 22 turns overall. The bugger hung around Mexico/Southwest until turn 11 when he finally decided to make for Hawaii for some reason. NA was conquered two turns later then it was just a matter of mopping up.

One big difference was that I was far more aggressive with the boss faction. Previous attempts, I focused expansion on Canada and then Europe so the boss got too strong. It helped that Europe never grew too strong due to Asia and I invading, then the boss helped break up Asia, along with my getting one stack in through NW Siberia.
Having trouble with World War 2320, the "boss"?: 6/2/2016 14:08:08


Sannita
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13 attempts and no results still... I tried to stay out of his way and not to engage him, it always ended in him turning on me immediately, or him going to Asia while his armies stab my back in NA, while I'm fighting against the other two AIs in Europe. Being aggressive with him didn't pay too, I always end up owned.

Sure, I'm a noob and all, I tried to follow your suggestions, but still no progresses. And most of all, what do you mean by "clean after him"? I tried to capture his territories, with the only result of getting his armies on me.

I'm not asking about a solution, I managed to solve other scenarios by keep trying, but I felt like I needed to rant about it a bit. :D
Having trouble with World War 2320, the "boss"?: 6/2/2016 15:14:23

why_amihere
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If the boss or his armies are taking a lot of your attention in North America, don't fight in Europe at all. Asia yes, but not Europe.
Having trouble with World War 2320, the "boss"?: 6/2/2016 15:36:46

M. Poireau
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Keep in mind that if you ever own territory immediately adjacent to the "boss", he will attack. You want to make sure that either a) only other AIs own territory adjacent to him, or b) the territory adjacent to him that you own is where you want him to go.

Usually, this means not attacking any territories he could be adjacent to within the next turn - expand in other directions instead. However, if he is attacking you, you need to "gobble up" territories BEHIND him, so that he has an incentive to turn around and go back.

When he is isolated, deploying 1 army in every territory around him and then attacking him with each 1-army unit late in the turn works very well (you'll be able to keep him isolated). But you may also prepare a "course" for him to run this way through his own territory.

Some people are expecting this to work without actually playing the level - i.e. maximizing your production and breaking others' bonuses. Of course you still have to play well and get your production above that of your enemies'!

If the boss is kicking your butt because AI 1 has more production than you... well, that would be happening even without the boss. You're losing anyway. Fight hard and make sure you're in the winning position, with the best production!
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