Would this also apply to men? Would the men involved in these pregnancies be sterilized? What about all the fathers that don't provide for their children?

Anyhow, as I see abortion.

A painless, quick, unknown death to you, you shouldn't care about it if it's only affecting you. You won't be able to care about it, in truth, since you're dead. However, death affects others to. Suicide is a very selfish thing to do, since it affects your family members and friends, too.

But unborn folk whose mothers don't care about them, they don't have any such caring folk. So go ahead, abortion is fine just as long as it's still inside. I know this is a fringe and unliked thought, but I don't see any grounds against it.

Except for the fact you could apply the same argument to a deep sleeping sibling........yeah, totally.. ..unlikable

Life is a funny thing. 50%-70% of pregnancies end in miscarriage, most of which happen in the 1st trimester, but no one talks about that. No one holds funerals, most of the time women don't get time off of work. An abortion within the 1st trimester is cause for outrage but these miscarriages don't even get acknowledged. It's like Schrödinger's baby.

Except for the fact you could apply the same argument to a deep sleeping sibling........yeah, totally.. ..unlikable

If noone wants to see this fellow alive, who cares?

Oh my gosh....your kidding right?. No seriously, I'm not being sarcastic or superior or condescending.......

@ japan

I believe people should be allowed to have an abortion until the baby is well developed enough to have a functional brain, before that I would not call it a living person, and as such, I would have no issues with killing it.

Exactly what i was trying to explain.

Life is a funny thing. 50%-70% of pregnancies end in miscarriage, most of which happen in the 1st trimester, but no one talks about that. No one holds funerals, most of the time women don't get time off of work. An abortion within the 1st trimester is cause for outrage but these miscarriages don't even get acknowledged. It's like Schrödinger's baby.

This statistic is erroneous. The real number is in between 10 and 20%.

The heartbeat begins around 21 days, which is pretty close to when most people find out they're pregnant. Thoughts on that? IF we're trying to decide when a fetus is alive, that's gotta be a pretty good place to start?

should be legal if

-Mother's life is in danger

-Rape

-Chance of genetic Diseases

-Financial problems/Under the poverty line

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Oh my gosh....your kidding right?

Are you kidding? What is the difference between death and dreamless sleep?

Well, you don't know what happens when you die. He could know his brother killed him for nothing, and that could bring untold anger and sadness to him. Or maybe as you die, you feel your body steadily degrading until you're nothing.

Anyways, your brother doesn't need to die, X. So please don't kill him.

Well, you don't know what happens when you die. He could know his brother killed him for nothing, and that could bring untold anger and sadness to him. Or maybe as you die, you feel your body steadily degrading until you're nothing.

This is more theologic than anything, but even if it is like you said - there's nothing for him to do on Earth, nothing he literally can do on Earth, so who cares? It's just saving some resources.

What is the difference between being in favor of Abortion and being in favor of Death penalty/openly carrying a firearm in public that is the direct cause of thousands of innocent deaths? Both results in the deaths of actual people.

What is the difference between being in favor of Abortion and being in favor of Death penalty/openly carrying a firearm in public that is the direct cause of thousands of innocent deaths? Both results in the deaths of actual people.

The statistics aren't even comparable. In 2012 Gun homicides caused around 11 thousand deaths, capital punishment caused around 40 deaths, and abortions caused around 700 thousand deaths.

In fact, Abortion is a bigger killer than a lot of things. For example:

Heart disease: 614,348
Cancer: 591,699
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 147,101
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 136,053
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 133,103
Alzheimer's disease: 93,541
Diabetes: 76,488
Influenza and Pneumonia: 55,227
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis: 48,146
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 42,773

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And both results in the deaths of actual people. Stats or not, my statement is valid.

and some correction about your stats: these stats are only showing US figures not Worldwide figures.

I perfectly understand people against abortion, mainly because they are defended by people of religious background, and I respect all religions (not sure it is everyone's case here again), and what I find hypocritical here is that some people here are against abortion but still in favor of death penalty/generalization of firearms that also causes many deaths. If you want to be consistent in your views, you should be in favor/against any of them.

we shood jus forc every1 to hav aborshin. problm solvd !! dee end

And both results in the deaths of actual people. Stats or not, my statement is valid.

Your statement is incorrect. You said:

that is the direct cause of thousands of innocent deaths

Abortion is the cause of hundreds of thousands of deaths, not thousands like gun homicide.

and some correction about your stats: these stats are only showing US figures not Worldwide figures.

Practically every single country has stricter gun laws than the US, so it's pretty moot to discuss having tighter restrictions in these countries; They already exist.

Yes, I did forget to mention that the figures were specifically for the US, but let's face it, when we're discussing gun control and abortion as hot button topics we're talking about the US. Practically every other country has already implemented stricter gun laws and either banned or allowed abortion.

I perfectly understand people against abortion, mainly because they are defended by people of religious background, and I respect all religions (not sure it is everyone's case here again), and what I find hypocritical here is that some people here are against abortion but still in favor of death penalty/generalization of firearms that also causes many deaths. If you want to be consistent in your views, you should be in favor/against any of them.

It is a theological position in part stemming from the belief that since God created people they are inherently superior to beasts, but for the most part people realize this long before they have any sort of theological convictions. For instance, when I was younger, I loved digging up anthills with the aim of killing every single ant inside, and I was totally okay with this.

Guns actually have practical uses, for example self defense or hunting; They just happen to be good at killing people too. Abortion has no practical uses, and its only aim is to kill humans. This is why it's so easy to accept guns and reject abortion, and it's not inconsistent at all.

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Open carry is not directly causing the deaths of thousands of folk.

Abortion is the cause of hundreds of thousands of deaths, not thousands like gun homicide.

If we consider all abortion as the direct cause of thousands of deaths yes, but there is no universal consensus about it, contrary of death penalty and/deaths by guns. See the nuance.

Practically every single country has stricter gun laws than the US, so it's pretty moot to discuss having tighter restrictions in these countries; They already exist.

Yes, I did forget to mention that the figures were specifically for the US, but let's face it, when we're discussing gun control and abortion as hot button topics we're talking about the US. Practically every other country has already implemented stricter gun laws and either banned or allowed abortion.

Well for a pernickety person correcting me about those "thousands", you are very imprecise and inexact here: The least when you are giving some stats and details is to explain what exactly are they dealing about and which population is concerned.

Also let's face it, abortion is not universally recognized as "killing a person". So let's compare things that are comparable and stay accurate.

It is a theological position in part stemming from the belief that since God created people they are inherently superior to beasts, but for the most part people realize this long before they have any sort of theological convictions. For instance, I personally loved digging up anthills with the aim of killing every single ant inside of them when I was younger, and I was totally okay with this.

Killing anthills is not something condemnable by (at least) the Abrahamic religions, you are mixing religions here, Buddhism and sometimes Hinduism (some sects) are condemning the killing of any living being indeed. Same can't be said about Abrahamic religions (religious animal sacrifices as an example).

Some funny anecdote: I worked in a hotel during one summer, the funny story is that the governess was Buddhist and could not kill any ants nor spiders in rooms while cleaning them because of her religion forbidding it...

Guns actually have practical uses, for example self defense or hunting; They just happen to be good at killing people too. Abortion has no practical uses, and its only aim is to kill humans. This is why it's so easy to accept guns and reject abortion, and it's not inconsistent at all.

Indeed guns have practical uses, as you may have noticed I also said my Grandpa and uncles had rifles in their houses, it is tolerated in France as long as it is for hunting or if you are part of a shooting club.

Abortion has no practical uses? For you on religious grounds certainly there is no practical uses at all, but without abortion and uncontrolled births what would happen? Hundred of thousands of unwanted babies = potential orphans (knowing how the US system is wrecked about orphanages, see Disposable Children or rehoming unwanted children at will), potential children raised without love because unwanted. What about the ones discovering they would have babies that would have a horrible life (congenital deseases which make life unbearable).

And "this is why it's so easy to accept guns and reject abortion": frankly let me doubt about that, guns are not universally accepted in most of the developed nations (excepted the US and few others), whereas abortion is widely accepted in those developed nations (with the exception of very few country, the only country I heard where it is indeed illegal is Ireland for religious reasons, but I heard that many debates started lately about it even there).