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Diplomacy Huge development thread: 6/4/2016 19:33:35


Belgian Gentleman
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( as of 11 august this post is outdated. for new version click here: https://www.warlight.net/SinglePlayer?PreviewMap=59428 )

Countries of the world diplomacy huge map (as of: https://www.warlight.net/play?PreviewMap=48289) and their total value: (includes all teritorial belongings) note that I'm currently still working on this map. Each number represents the number of total armies the country is rewarded.

Maybe someone can help me out? Which specific countries need to have their value (total income) redistributed? Perhaps a public opinion need to be made. Feel free to make your own ranking of which countries you think should recieve the biggest income in a diplomacy game the size of this map.

e.g.

1. United States of America
2. China
3. Russia
4. India
5. Canada
6. ...

and so on... and so on..

Your judgement can be based on different factors like personal preferences, population, resources, GDP and urban population but please choose in the most realistical way and don't make it too unbalanced so that it can quite ressemble the World Nations 2012 map.

I'll listen to everyone's advice and adjust the numbers if possible. Don't forget that your voice on this thread can contribute to one of the biggest diplomacy maps on Warlight!

Goodluck!

Edited 8/25/2016 18:55:17
Diplomacy Huge development thread: 6/4/2016 19:36:51


Leibstandarte (Vengeance)
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India should be around 600, no more no less.
Diplomacy Huge development thread: 6/4/2016 19:44:22


Belgian Gentleman
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Note that those numbers will no longer make sense anymore after this poll is done. Bonusses are going to experience an increase in numbers. To to this day the bonus numbers are [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,15,20] but that's going to change to [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,25,30]
Diplomacy Huge development thread: 6/4/2016 20:00:23


Leibstandarte (Vengeance)
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Isn't this a bit too colossal for warlight to handle?
Diplomacy Huge development thread: 6/4/2016 20:09:50


DerWyyy
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for diplomacy no. on phone probably ya
Diplomacy Huge development thread: 6/4/2016 20:12:39


Fan the Apostle
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WL only handles 3.4k map territories. I count bothrr to count but Fizzer is persistent to increase
Diplomacy Huge development thread: 6/4/2016 20:16:43


Belgian Gentleman
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3200 territories is the territory limit and this map is 845 territories ahead of that limit so I shouldn't be worried.
Diplomacy Huge development thread: 6/4/2016 20:31:05


Жұқтыру
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Based on economy, population, and stability/wellbeing/patriotism:

1. China
2. America
3. India
---(Japan is way less powerful than India)
4. Japan
5. Brazil
6. Russia
7. Germany
8. Britain
9. Indonesia
10. France
11. Mexico
12. Nigeria
13. Italy
14. Hanguk
15. Turkey
16. Spain
17. Canada
18. Iran
19. Arabia
20. Tagalog
Diplomacy Huge development thread: 6/4/2016 20:32:17


Fan the Apostle
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Well then i will be looking forward to play

Edited 6/4/2016 20:32:31
Diplomacy Huge development thread: 6/4/2016 20:35:26


Cata Cauda 
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I personally have a hard time with the bonus-links. Could you make them a lil' bit more readable?
Diplomacy Huge development thread: 6/4/2016 20:36:27


Fan the Apostle
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I feel sorry for colorblind people playing this map. 40 player games would be a nightmare on no fog
Diplomacy Huge development thread: 6/4/2016 20:37:19


OxTheAutist 
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+1 Juq, mostly, but I think you overrated Mexico, Spain & Philippines and underrated Iran, Turkey and Israel.
Diplomacy Huge development thread: 6/4/2016 20:47:39


Belgian Gentleman
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Consider gdp and poltical influence and I would put USA on number 1. China still hasn't beaten the USA yet. Maybe in the future but not for this year.

Secondly the bonus links were the issue why this map didn't got published. That's why I'm working to remove them all and replace them by a better and a more efficient system. http://m.imgur.com/a/AqnDK as I revealed in an earlier thread.
Diplomacy Huge development thread: 6/4/2016 20:49:32


Christ the Redeemer
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One thing that bothers me is on the map you say developped by Belgian when it should be spelled developed
Diplomacy Huge development thread: 6/4/2016 20:53:23


Belgian Gentleman
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Oh haha how did I never noticed that? Thanks for telling.
Diplomacy Huge development thread: 6/4/2016 20:59:09


Жұқтыру
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Consider gdp and poltical influence and I would put USA on number 1.


I did think about money (roughly the same). And politic influence (SCO/EAU > NATO/EU ; China is number 1 exporter). And in all other meausrings, China beats America by quite a bit - 3x the population, more patriotism, more industry, so on.
Diplomacy Huge development thread: 6/4/2016 21:09:27


Belgian Gentleman
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Roughly? Hm...

Gdp says otherwise

According to CIA world factbook 2015
USA: 17,970,000
China: 11,380,000

"Roughly"

Political influence because USA puts huge pressure on foreign countries outside their territories. This includes also diplomatic pressure. South America,Pacific,Carribean, Western Europe. All are influenced by USA politics or diplomacy. China has this less.
Diplomacy Huge development thread: 6/4/2016 21:16:35


Жұқтыру
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The CIA is not a believable source. They're a government intelligence agency, they'll do anything for patriotism.

IMF (many NATO agencies at first launched a great campaign to say that this info was wrong, but they were wrong, in 2015 when China's economy overtook America).
China 19 392 357
America: 17 947 000

World Bank (not too believable, but better than the CIA):
China 18 017
America 17 419
Diplomacy Huge development thread: 6/4/2016 21:18:35


{Canidae} Kretoma
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PPP is more accurate.

from CIA factbook, because you seem to like that source:
China 19,510
United States 17,970

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29

Edited 6/4/2016 21:19:31
Diplomacy Huge development thread: 6/4/2016 21:23:30


Belgian Gentleman
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CIA Factbook is an actual trustworthy source.

Also I was talking about the nominal gdp. Don't let that confuse you.
since you like IMF more:

USA: 17,947,000
China: 10,982,829

Compare that with the CIA factbook of the same year:

USA: 17,970,000
China: 11,380,000

he CIA is not a believable source. They're a government intelligence agency, they'll do anything for patriotism

Well shit...

Edited 6/4/2016 21:59:24
Diplomacy Huge development thread: 6/4/2016 21:26:50


Imperator
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Both Nominal and PPP GDP are pretty irrelevant when comparing the US and china. As Juq has pointed out, china has over three times as many people as america.

The Relevant statistic is GDP per capita, in which the US is around 7x as rich as China, with $56K compared to around $8K.
Diplomacy Huge development thread: 6/4/2016 21:30:32


Belgian Gentleman
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That's another factor sure
Diplomacy Huge development thread: 6/4/2016 21:30:36


{Canidae} Kretoma
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Per capita is useless. A rich populace actually is worse at fighting wars and has to rely on mercenaries (see Qatar as an example).

Industries usable in wartime is what we are searching (heavy industry, IT, Chemistry, etc). The great mass of US secretary workers is totally useless for a war effort compared to the workers in Chinas insanely huge steel industry. But they earn a lot of money, well great....

Edited 6/4/2016 21:34:56
Diplomacy Huge development thread: 6/4/2016 21:34:51


Belgian Gentleman
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Technological advancement
Diplomacy Huge development thread: 6/4/2016 21:35:44


Imperator
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Yeah, except the US is really the exception here since we spend more on our military than the next fourteen countries combined. There is no "reliance on mercenaries" going on here.

Edited 6/4/2016 21:36:01
Diplomacy Huge development thread: 6/4/2016 21:35:47


{Canidae} Kretoma
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@ Belgian Where we do not have any data (military is classified for obvious reasons). :(

Edited 6/4/2016 21:37:03
Diplomacy Huge development thread: 6/4/2016 21:43:16


Belgian Gentleman
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Global Presence Index is the best index I could find. It measures how powerfull a nation is.
Diplomacy Huge development thread: 6/4/2016 22:04:06


Жұқтыру
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The Relevant statistic is GDP per capita, in which the US is around 7x as rich as China, with $56K compared to around $8K.


I don't see how this would be relevant at all. Measuring GHP each head just shows how well-off the country is - is it a good country to live in? Which doesn't affect much the powers of the country.

Where we do not have any data (military is classified for obvious reasons). :(


Yeah, many folk think information (I mean, seriously, using the CIA as a source?) is much more open and frank than it really is. Know from who you get knowledge from.

Global Presence Index is the best index I could find.


Yeah, I think you showed us one time, and we all agreed it was pretty bad...I mean, Canada is more powerful than India? Get real.

Edited 6/4/2016 22:06:20
Diplomacy Huge development thread: 6/4/2016 22:12:45


Belgian Gentleman
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Nothing bad here. GBI is based on globalisation (meaning global presence) and economy. It would be a good indicator for political influence around the world.

Edited 6/4/2016 22:24:38
Diplomacy Huge development thread: 6/4/2016 22:35:51


Belgian Gentleman
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)

Compare IMF data (since you like that more) with the CIA factbook data. See who's more patriotic now.


Yeah, many folk think information (I mean, seriously, using the CIA as a source?) is much more open and frank than it really is. Know from who you get knowledge from.


So just because a gouverment makes such lists the lists lose all their credibility?
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