Here's a subset of the things you've said on WarLight in the past week:

"we all know you're a fat little shit eating cunt fagboy"
"you're a fucking faggot"
"David is probably an edgy little fat faggot kid with a 3 inch dick"

Fizzas Getting Real

One thing I have to say; can we all agree that personal attacks, if not involving highly offensive language, can only be considered grounds for a ban if the person attacked reports?

JUST CONTROL YOURSELF and you wont be banned.
It is pretty easy to avoid. Parsing the ban rules is just a way of getting around them.
Fizzer doesn't want to spend his time managing a matrix of ban rules.
Just be cool and you can be done with it.

if you are beeing toxic to the game, you don't deserve to be anywhere. allowing you entry to one place and not the other would just increase more whinning when warnings and bans are set.

If you are being toxic on the forums, you get banned there. If you are being toxic on the game, you get banned on the game. No it wouldn't increase more whining, if someone were to get banned on the forums and then do ban-worthy behavior in the game, they would be banned in the game. What is 'deserved' is irrelevant as bans are only intended to stop destructive behavior.

Separate bans on the forum and game itself? If you get banned from one for trolling, there's a high probability you'll start complaining on the other one. There's no point doing that. Much easier to ban someone for good. I agree that bans should be given out carefully, though.

A "high probability?" If you troll both, you'll get banned on both. Players can ignore complain-y threads it just takes some willpower to not respond. The game and the forum are completely separate. What harmful act was taken against the forums if I, say, rigged a coin game? I shouldn't be banned there.

I'll say this in addition: every report and thread you are creating to whine your sorrows over being a disrespectful person who keeps getting warned and banned without learning anything from it, intoxicating this community with your lack of respect for others. All this effort of yours to prove that you're a bad person, is draining development time from things that would be far more interesting to have improved on warlight. I blame you for slower update times and response times from Fizzer. You suck. If you don't like the warlight ban system go away and don't come back.

Kek. You (and Fizzer) must see me as some kind of enemy. I'm laying out ideas that I feel would improve WarLight. This response proves that you're not taking this seriously. You probably think I'm another troll.

And about the ban appeals: many gaming sites have these. They are great for the reasons I laid out in the OP. Opinions change, new evidence comes. The ban appeals should ideally have a separate section on the forums. I would rather have a ban appeal section full of whiny posts than the lack of one, because at least users would get a chance to petition an unfair ban. And it would not be beneficial to be whiny if one truly wanted a ban repealed, it would benefit them to be sensible and respectful.

On Fizzer's response: Fizzer hasn't given a follow-up because he has nothing to say regarding the arguments in the post. I assume he didn't like the argument, for whatever unexplained reason and brought up some things I said. His entire post was irrelevant, I would expect more from a site admin. I would at least expect him to explain his reasoning against the arguments, but it's possible he knew his blind emotional following would rather jump on a character attack. Ad hominem attacks are laughable.

If you want to be disrespectful, there are other places to do that. If the other person doesn't mind, just settle it in private mail. As you post offensive stuff on the forum, other people might get offended too. If you want to talk this way to a certain person (or group of people), just start a private conversation or go to another site where it's allowed. Is it that hard?

Offense is very subjective, but I think we can all agree Genghis shouldn't have been banned for "I will drug your mother." Light-hearted suggestive comments need to be left alone. I don't think we need to limit WarLight to daycare language.

I agree with some points from both sides, maybe a compromise is needed ? Fizzer is never going to change it if you force him to, stuff it in his face. Sure some rules are unfair but can we not come to a polite and peaceful resolution?

I agree with some points from both sides, maybe a compromise is needed ? Fizzer is never going to change it if you force him to, stuff it in his face. Sure some rules are unfair but can we not come to a polite and peaceful resolution?

^Hard for us to 'fix' something when only Fizzer knows hows things work. One of the resone I think a more transparent triage system is what players actully want. AT least I think that is the place to start.

Edited 6/6/2016 18:40:52

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A "high probability?" If you troll both, you'll get banned on both. Players can ignore complain-y threads it just takes some willpower to not respond.

Why should respectful people be forced to ignore your thread posting idiocy when you get banned? They are not here to read or ignore your whinning, they are here to play and have fun. You're in the way. If you can't behave get out.

Kek. You (and Fizzer) must see me as some kind of enemy. I'm laying out ideas that I feel would improve WarLight. This response proves that you're not taking this seriously. You probably think I'm another troll.

kek yourself. Your ideas are clearly a whine over a system that you disagree with. And the only reason you disagree with it is because it affects you negatively. The only people negatively affected by this system are people with free insults and trolls. Yes i believe you are another troll. I would like to see you perm banned from this site to stop wasting mine (and Fizzer's) time with your idiocy.

And about the ban appeals: many gaming sites have these. They are great for the reasons I laid out in the OP. Opinions change, new evidence comes. The ban appeals should ideally have a separate section on the forums. I would rather have a ban appeal section full of whiny posts than the lack of one, because at least users would get a chance to petition an unfair ban. And it would not be beneficial to be whiny if one truly wanted a ban repealed, it would benefit them to be sensible and respectful.

Sites who handle ban appeals are multimillion projects with dozens of developers and a much larger community than warlights'. They have to manage ban systems more effectively or risk community outcry and loss of revenue. Warlight does not have that structure, it has 1 developer. Every minute he spends reading your crap about why calling someone "a fucking faggot" might be acceptable in your neanderthalian, un-enducated and disrespectful little brain of yours; which clearly is against the rules and any common sense; just proving you lack any proper human decency or adequate education; is a minute he could be improving the site.

If you want to keep randomly sending insults filled with prejudice to random people and then whine about why you get banned, go do it somewhere else. It is not welcome here.

On Fizzer's response: Fizzer hasn't given a follow-up because he has nothing to say regarding the arguments in the post. I assume he didn't like the argument, for whatever unexplained reason and brought up some things I said. His entire post was irrelevant, I would expect more from a site admin. I would at least expect him to explain his reasoning against the arguments, but it's possible he knew his blind emotional following would rather jump on a character attack. Ad hominem attacks are laughable.

There is no follow-up required, you're just an idiot and your suggestions are of a troll. Thank goodness Fizzer doesn't waste as much time responding to the likes of you any longer than i already have.

Edited 6/6/2016 18:48:35

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There should be a separate ban from the game and on the forums.

Fizzer owning him with his history aside, he is 100% right on this one. Playing and using the forum are completely separate and should be treated as such with bans. If you say something offensive on the forum, there is no reason you shouldn't be able to play the game.

Forum ban could come with a chat ban, as people who say offensive things on the forum are probably more likely to say offensive things in chat, but again gameplay has nothing to do with either of them.

If you get banned from one for trolling, there's a high probability you'll start complaining on the other one.

I disagree there is any connection at all, but even if there were, what does 'complaining' even mean? If you get banned from the forum, who are you going to do this 'complaining' to about the game, Fizzer? Banning people just to reduce complaint emails about the game? That makes little logical sense. If they do indeed send those unwanted complaint emails, it wouldn't be hard to then ban them from the game, too.

Some people just are on the forum to troll right? So they don't care if they are banned from that, its only punishment if they are off the game for awhile. Not sure thats just what it sounds like to me :)

Edited 6/8/2016 12:25:53

You could phrase it that way but more accurate would be that some people are more likely than others to say something on the forum that gets them banned, and they know it, and don't want to get banned from the game.

"Trolling" doesn't appear to get anybody banned on the forum.

Edited 6/8/2016 13:20:38

Trolling is bad for you. That's why I'm changing my ways of Fizzer will let me.

I mean seriously, just be respectful. I have literally never gotten banned or suspended, and I post on the forums all the time.

And I think it's a bit much to say that there should be no favoritism. If you have some troll who's been on warlight for two weeks and is constantly getting suspended, why should they receive the same treatment as someone who has played thousands of games, or someone who has released several maps and are being considered for their first suspension?

Edited 6/8/2016 14:53:07

Trolling is bad for you.

luls no.

Hard for us to 'fix' something when only Fizzer knows hows things work - TBest

How do 'things work'?

Well, here's a go at it.

1) Someone i) hurts someones feelings and/or ii) gets their feelings hurt.

2) A report button is clicked, and the person that got their feelings hurt selects text from a drop down.

3) They hit submit report, and an automatic message comes up saying that the reason they got their feelings hurt is not against the rules. Perhaps you should read the rules and not be so sensative.

4) Steps 2 and 3 are repeated until they find a reason that lets them complain.

5) Someone, a first level reviewer, get the reason they complained in a report. They i) recommend a suspension/ban/warning, or ii) simply ignore. The reports have information regarding a link the the game, excerpted text (think nasty key words) from team chat/private messages, how many previous warnings, reports, suspensions, accounts with same/similar IP's, etc. Sometimes the first level reviewer leaves a note or further explanation, such as, Google Translate says it means.... They can also enter in the text that a warning/suspension will read out for the player, so that they know what they did wrong.

6) For reports that go the path of 5i, a second level reviewer reviews the report, The level 2 report is very similar to the level 1 report, but maybe 1 or two more bits of information that are private from the level 1 reviewer. Similar to step 5, the second level reviewer takes a look at the level 1 recommendation, the report, the history, etc. in order to decide on the warning/suspension/ban, or simply to ignore.

7) Reports ignored in either 5 or 6 simply tick up the number of "times reported" counter, which is different than a warning. If this gets extremely high (more than double digits) its cause for further investigation into past behavior when deciding on a warning or a suspension.

8) Occasionally, there are tough calls. The second level reviewer either lets those reports languish for a week or two to see if it pops up again via the report system, sometimes Fizzer is brought into the system, or sometimes the second level reviewer simply ignores the behavior. Other times, the second level reviewer decides a suspension/ban/warning is appropriate, and issues such action, then hears about it in the forums on how Fizzer is a Nazi, knowing full well that it wasn't Fizzer that was the Nazi, just some Joe Schmo that does this for free on the side, 20-100 times a day, reading comments made by some of the best and smartest people on the Internet.

9) There's some feedback from Fizzer to the Level 2 and from the Level 2 to the Level 1, but only in about 1-5% of the reports.

TBest? Any bits of advice now that this may have shed some light onto the system?

reading comments made by some of the best and smartest people on the Internet.

I nearly choked on that one. You trying to kill people Pooh?!