Freedom of speech is indeed a privilege that comes with the modern democratic state. In an Anarcho-Capitalist society, you have freedom of speech as in the constitution of the Soviet Union, but you don't have freedom from consequences, like the big guy next to you killing you after you offended him with your speech.

It's very cheap of you to say that freedom of speech is a right but not tell how you guarantee that right if somebody tries to take it away. Freedom of speech is an entitlement just as much "free" healthcare is free.

Also I don't understand why you dislike taxpayer-sponsored healthcare and education so much. It just doesn't make sense, from a pragmatic point of view, to leave those without money to die of the common cold and without the ability to read and write. You were alarmed that 14% of US citizens cannot read. How high do you think that number will go if there is nobody to force you to learn and give you the necessary support?

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If a bloke wants to kill you for offending him, point a gun at him and tell him to screw off. And no he's not going to get a bigger gun, no ones going to invest in stuff to make it easier to kill after an argument.

Freedom of speech isn't an entitlement, no one can provide it to you or give it to you.

Also I don't understand why you dislike taxpayer-sponsored healthcare and education so much. It just doesn't make sense, from a pragmatic point of view, to leave those without money to die of the common cold and without the ability to read and write

Currently, no one is going to die of the common cold, nor the flu. If they have a dangerous disease, 99 times out of 100, they'll be able to afford treatment. And the government isn't needed to teach how to read and write, folk were more literate in America before public schooling than after.

You were alarmed that 14% of US citizens cannot read. How high do you think that number will go if there is nobody to force you to learn and give you the necessary support?

Probably lower. Literacy dropped in Massachusetts from 97% to 90% over the course of about a hundred years because of public schooling. And the support you need to teach is a book and a literate person, you don't need extortion funded camps.

If a bloke wants to kill you for offending him, point a gun at him and tell him to screw off. And no he's not going to get a bigger gun, no ones going to invest in stuff to make it easier to kill after an argument.

What if he doesn't give me a warning? If he's rich, he will probably be able to buy enough support so he can get away with murder.

If they have a dangerous disease, 99 times out of 100, they'll be able to afford treatment.

Where did you get that number from? Stefan Molyneux' AnCap infomercial? Sounds extremely deluded.

folk were more literate in America before public schooling than after.

Source? I'm not a big fan of formal education, but this sounds highly unlikely.

@The hysterical koala
I'm just here to troll

nope, changed my mind, won't participate in this

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^ Finally, a smart communist ;)

In response to the OP, as this has clearly gotten derailed
Here's my stance: Trump will start wwIII, he's literally claimed he is willing to nuke the middle East and Europe.

Clinton is probably going to start some stupid anti-terrorist war in the Middle East, which is going to waste huge amounts of money.

End Result: I pick clinton cause I want to survive for the next 4 years.

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he's literally claimed he is going to nuke the middle East and Europe.

Hmmmm...someone doesn't have a clear handle on what "literally" means now, does he?

Sorry, grammar error, I meant willing instead of going.

You can't seriously believe a) that he would nuke Europe (I could maybe sorta see the ME, but Europe? WTF?) and b) that he isn't using this as a negotiating position? Seriously, why would a sane, nonviolent person like Trump resort to nukes? He wouldn't. He just uses this to go down from?. "Oh, we can't nuke them? Fine, I'll settle with ground troops."

See how that works? It's the same thing with all his positions - he starts high, so if he has to compromise, he is still satisfied. Anyone who thinks he will actually implement every policy he puts out is willfully stupid.

Is there any actual proof that he is sane? I'm frankly not so certain on that point...

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/fireworks

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Well, considering pretty much everyone who knows him considers him a nice person and very reasonable, I would say there is no reason to doubt his sanity. Everything extreme he says can be explained by looking at negotiation techniques. Also, why not doubt Hillary's sanity, given what people who knew her have said?

Considering that He has claimed that he will introduce extra limits on Muslim immigration(Violation of First amendment), claimed Many Mexicans crossing the border are rapists, Criminals, or Drug dealers (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/06/16/trump_mexico_not_sending_us_their_best_criminals_drug_dealers_and_rapists_are_crossing_border.html), and has suggested building a wall, which would be expensive as hell, and totally useless on the US-Mexico border, I am not sure he wouldn't make such actions.

Considering that He has claimed that he will introduce extra limits on Muslim immigration(Violation of First amendment), claimed Many Mexicans crossing the border are rapists, Criminals, or Drug dealers (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/06/16/trump_mexico_not_sending_us_their_best_criminals_drug_dealers_and_rapists_are_crossing_border.html), and has suggested building a wall, which would be expensive as hell, and totally useless on the US-Mexico border, I am not sure he wouldn't make such actions.

This is what you sound like: "This guy just told me Trump uses extreme positions to negotiate. But you know what, he has a lot of extreme positions, so I bet he isn't going to use them to negotiate". Seriously, stop being so stupid.

Now, moving on:

Muslim immigrant ban - the 1st Amendment applies to Americans. The government can do what it wants on immigration. I understand being opposed to it, but saying it violates the 1st Amendment is incredibly ignorant.

Rapist/murderer comment - many of them are. Saying it isn't so is ignorant.

The wall - it would be about as costly as 15/20 websites. $20 billion is nothing in today's world. And why would it not work? Razor wire worked well enough in Hungary. You may not like the idea, but saying it won't work is, again, ignorant.



Since every one of your points has been ignorant, I am going to stop debating you at this point. Have a nice day, and try to educate yourself.

clinton for sure

trump's foreign policy is rly good for u doves out there

Well, considering pretty much everyone who knows him considers him a nice person and very reasonable, I would say there is no reason to doubt his sanity.

He has the best charisma of the presidents, I like his charisma the best myself, but this says nothing about his sanity. Psycopaths can do the same.

The problem is, I know Trump, so my optimism has been squashed like a baby bird...I really like him because of his absence of filters...I'm feeling so, so, so guilty, because I feel like, along with millions of other people, I played right into this. The cynicism of the Clintons, the careful, tightrope walk of all politicians, forced me, as an atheist, to get down on my knees and pray that someone would come along with some kind of authenticity. Well, someone called my bluff, goddamn it. ... The stuff he is saying on immigration, the stuff he saying on torture, the stuff he is saying on war, is absolutely unforgivable...He is coming out directly against the Statue of Liberty. I'm a pure and utter peacenik. I want a president who sings the praises of people, sings the praises of peace and sings the praises of working together for a great country...Abraham Lincoln wouldn't have laughed about waterboarding...I want a president that is kinder, smarter and more measured than me. ... I disagree with Hillary Clinton on just about everything there is to disagree with a person about. If it comes down to Trump and Hillary, I will put a Hillary Clinton sticker on my fucking car.

- Penn Jilette

waterboarding suspected TERRORISTS isnt a threat to peace.........

I think we're forgetting that he wants to totally ban Muslim immigration, not just limit it.

He is coming out directly against the Statue of Liberty.

She lost any shred of credibility at this point.

Reporters Without Borders issued a warning that press freedom would be "further in harm" if Trump does what he says he will.

He's for uncurbed government surveillance in the homeland, against letting chronically ill folk kill themselves, against gay marriage, against decriminalising drugs, even.

He is not freedom man. Tell me how Clinton or Sanders would take away more freedoms from Americans.