To be fair I don't agree with being able to put Kantos in to play for 101st since he wasn't in the clan at the start of the season for as far as I can remember. He basically went from Lynx to 101st to be eligable to play those games since he isn't participating for Lynx in the end.

I'd like to know what the others think about it as well but this is just how I'm looking at it.

......

Yeah, it seems like that after the 101st breakup they are putting a couple more alts into the 101st clan to make it seem competitive. Pretty sure that also a bunch of other 101st members like Unreality have been in Lynx previously. I don't care to much about this season Kantos playing for the 101st clan however with the new 101st clan now being even more something like a B tier division of the Lynx clan I don't like both 101st + Lynx playing in the clan league for the comming seasons. I had to perform some sort of selection when making our M'Hunters lineup and I couldn't just make everyone happy by creating a B tier M'Hunters lineup. Not to mention that our B tier M'Hunters players might have dropped some games if the A tier needed the points.

So tl; dr: If the 101st clan doesn't show up with "true" 101st members like Blowfly or Grickface they shouldn't perform in the clan league at all.

Edited 8/7/2016 10:20:18

To be honest, it's odd to have players not available at the start of the season ._.

To be fair Lynx players were also available to us at the beginning of the season under the previous Lynx/101st system. I doubt anyone could have complained about it at the time, but Plat decided to keep the roster made up by our own players, I know that others in his place wouldnt have hesitated to take out our own players for a more competitive lineup.

Now this happening isnt really our fault, the original players are all Outlaws atm and so is the leader of the lineup. I believe Platinum should have decided both replacements, but to avoid problems we settled in one replacement each. I'm glad that the 101st replacement is at the level of the playing field, but I believe that we could have choosed 2 Outlaws and be as fine.

Anyways, I agree with Norman here. If 101st wants the CL spot, I hope they're not expecting to take it with Lynx players.

Edited 8/7/2016 14:48:20

Wakanari is correct; Kantos was not in 101st at the start of the clan league. I was not under the impression this was against the rules (don't think there were any rules in regards to this). If it is, 101st will field an alternative replacement. I was in 101st with an alt at the start of the clan league, have been in 101st on my main account for a couple weeks during the Clan League, and did not play for any other clan. Therefore, I could replace Kantos if him not being in 101st at the start is an issue.

The way I see it, if player wishes to represent a clan, and that player is not representing any other clan that season, then it should be legal. Perhaps a bigger issue is someone currently not in 101st is filling in a spot for 101st?

Is players switching between 101st and Lynx an issue? Players switch clans all the time. Almosttricky was a WG member, yet played for Sninja this season. There are at least half a dozen similar cases. Without formal rules on this subject, it is tough to decide what is legal, and what is not. Given a set of formal rules, Lynx and 101st will make sure that we are competing legally, as we have done in the past.

To be fair Lynx players were also available to us at the beginning of the season under the previous Lynx/101st system.

Care to name some?


The original players are not all Outlaws at the moment

This is not true. Six players currently are Outlaws. One has left Outlaws. One is in 101st. One is in Masters. So yes, a majority of last season's lineup are Outlaws, but not all of them by any means.


I've said from the beginning that if 101st is close to, or above Outlaws' level, then I will push for 101st to get the spot as I believe that to be fair in that situation. However, if I don't believe 101st is close to Outlaws' level, I will push for Outlaws to get the spot rather than 101st as I believe it is fair in this situation. Both sides have claims to the spot currently. I believe it is still best to wait and see what happens to 101st over the next few months before deciding who gets the spot now. Especially as we don't even know if the spot will be available in A or B.

Just to put it out there, here are some claims for both sides:

Outlaws: A majority of 101st's Clan League team is currently in Outlaws. The 101st lineup was made by someone currently in Outlaws. Outlaws is more likely to be able to compete at a high level than 101st.

101st: There is no reason for the spot to change hands. The Outlaws chose to leave 101st, knowing full well that this would cost them the clan league spot. They were not kicked out of 101st (as is the case of XS/ONE). Neither has 101st died at this point (as is the case of CPU/BIA). The only precedent for this situation was when Lynx left 101st, and 101st kept the clan league spot (even with 101st saying Lynx should have the spot). So the past is on 101st's side on this issue.

Edited 8/8/2016 05:44:23

We weren't actually kicked out of XS, for the record. We left on our own.

But in any case, let's not hash this out on the forum right now. A decision will be made in due time regarding who gets this spot.

Edited 8/8/2016 11:36:06

Update:

T.Map:
MoOoOoOoO (VIW) defeated alexander (ONE)

F.Earth:
Sninja defeated REGL

ME:
Blitz defeated stahl
Sninja defeated REGL

Europe:
101 defeated ONE

classification by points:

  Clan    points   Max points    Wins   Losses   Winrate
1º ONE      101        183        31      16        65.96%
2º VIW       94        180        29      17        63.04%
3º Blitz     88        188        26      16        61.90%
4º SNinja    79        169        22      23        48.89%
5º 101       69        197        20      14        58.82%
6º REGL      48        133        15      31        32.61%
7º Stahl     33        121        10      35        22.22%

Edited 8/9/2016 23:45:50

Europe:
Sninja defeated stahl

While I don't mind additional points, that victory happened last month. :p
You counted it twice, here and on the spreadsheet.

You also forgot to count 101st vs ONE! in EU

My mistake, I changed both games ^^U
I will edit now the last post

Update:

Guiroma: farragut (stahl) defeated kantos (101)

T.Map: awesome (blitz) defeated alexander (ONE)

China: REGL defeated Sninja

ME: ONE defeated Sninja

G.Lakes:
101 defeated VIW
VIW defeated stahl
Blitz defeated sninja

classification by points:

  Clan    points   Max points    Wins   Losses   Winrate
1º ONE      105        180        32      17        65.31%
2º VIW       99        175        30      18        62.50%
3º Blitz     96        188        28      16        63.64%
4º SNinja    79        156        22      26        45.83%
5º 101       74        191        21      16        56.76%
6º REGL      52        133        16      31        34.04%
7º Stahl     36        116        11      36        23.40%

Update:
F.Earth: Stahl defeated VIW

China: VIW defeated Sninja

ME: 101 defeated Blitz

G.lakes: REGL defeated Stahl


classification by points:

  Clan    points   Max points    Wins   Losses   Winrate
1º ONE      105        180        32      17        65.31%
2º VIW      103        171        31      19        62.00%
3º Blitz     96        184        28      17        62.22%
4º SNinja    79        152        22      27        44.90%
5º 101       78        191        22      16        57.89%
6º REGL      57        133        17      31        35.42%
7º Stahl     40        111        12      37        24.49%

thanks for the updates

Putting the "Stall" in Stall-gewittern


https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11411077


https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11411076

lol forevermore this shall be referred to as 'stahling'

Hahaha

"Stahling" it is =)

Plat, can you do anything else other than repeating what others have already said like the stupid mindless Irish parrot that you are?

^At least he didnt make a grammar mistake while repeating something.

Plat, can you do anything else other than repeating what others have already said like the stupid mindless Irish parrot that you are?

I'll +1 that.