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Mashreq Map - A mostly unrecognised Arabic region: 6/19/2016 12:07:55


҈ TeeMee123 ҈
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Mashreq Map - A mostly unrecognised Arabic region: 6/19/2016 13:15:00

General Amoora
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I like this map, its something that isn't on warlight and looks like it could be fun, I would just say that fully zoomed out, the lebanon borders look slightly jagged, perhaps having less nodes would get rid of that issue. Sign me up for testing if you need a tester as well.
Mashreq Map - A mostly unrecognised Arabic region: 6/19/2016 13:31:16


Richard Sharpe 
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I like that the post title and the link spell it Mashreq but the image in the link spells it Mashriq. I think wiki might be a bit confused...
Mashreq Map - A mostly unrecognised Arabic region: 6/19/2016 14:27:43


҈ TeeMee123 ҈
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Thanks amooora, if it ends up having a lot of territories I might make a test game, in which case you would be invited. I will try and simplify the lebanon borders, but I'll also make the land-sea borders more jagged to make it stand out less.
Richard, the wikipedia page on it says it can be spelt 'Mashreq', 'Mashriq' or 'Mashrek', and I agree it is quite strange that it has no standard name.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mashriq

Edited 6/19/2016 14:29:08
Mashreq Map - A mostly unrecognised Arabic region: 6/19/2016 14:35:29


Richard Sharpe 
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I saw. Still amusing that the same site would use two different spellings. I would assume it's an issue of translating from Arabic to English
Mashreq Map - A mostly unrecognised Arabic region: 6/19/2016 14:58:23


(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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The usual transliteration issues.

Also do different dialects of Arabic even pronounce the same word differently? Especially since short vowels are NOT written down in Arabic.

Edited 6/19/2016 14:59:45
Mashreq Map - A mostly unrecognised Arabic region: 6/19/2016 16:25:18


zxctycxz 
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I think the Gaza Strip should be part of the Palestine bonus.
Mashreq Map - A mostly unrecognised Arabic region: 6/19/2016 16:39:31


҈ TeeMee123 ҈
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Mashreq Map - A mostly unrecognised Arabic region: 6/19/2016 17:47:34


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I saw. Still amusing that the same site would use two different spellings. I would assume it's an issue of translating from Arabic to English


I could be wrong about this, but iirc arabic words don't actually use vowels, so the transliteration would be "Mshrq" and you have to just kind of add vowels in. This could be why there are two different versions, especially since "Mashriq" and "Mashreq" are pretty much pronounced identically.

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Mashreq Map - A mostly unrecognised Arabic region: 6/19/2016 17:52:48


҈ TeeMee123 ҈
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I think they might all be pronounced the same

Edited 6/19/2016 17:52:57
Mashreq Map - A mostly unrecognised Arabic region: 6/19/2016 18:03:49


Жұқтыру
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arabic words don't actually use vowels


Um, what? I think you're confusing with roots, not words.

Anyhow, Mashreeq is how it's said in the local Arabic, I think.
Mashreq Map - A mostly unrecognised Arabic region: 6/19/2016 18:09:24

General Amoora
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Speaking as an Arab, I would say Mashriq, but then again my dialect is Egyptian which is quite a bit different to the dialects in the Mashriq area.
Mashreq Map - A mostly unrecognised Arabic region: 6/19/2016 18:12:45


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Um, what? I think you're confusing with roots, not words.


I may be, I haven't really looked at this stuff for a while.
Mashreq Map - A mostly unrecognised Arabic region: 6/19/2016 18:16:46


(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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@Amoora Interesting! :-) Salam/Shalom/Shlama! (The last one is Aramaic)

Yeah I have a bit of knowledge about how Semitic languages work. I wonder how foreign loanwords work in these languages though when you can not distinguish certain vowels in writing.

BTW Hebrew and Arabic do have vowels...they are just frequently omitted in writing. That's what abjad is about.

Edited 6/19/2016 18:17:02
Mashreq Map - A mostly unrecognised Arabic region: 6/19/2016 18:16:50


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Actually, it turns out I'm not making this up, although I may be misinterpreting it. It is actually a real thing that exists though:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abjad

(Arabic is an abjad script)

Edited 6/19/2016 18:17:37
Mashreq Map - A mostly unrecognised Arabic region: 6/19/2016 18:17:47


(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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@Imperator Arabic has long vowels written which is better than having no vowels written. Paleo-Hebrew probably had no vowels written. That's why Shin-Lamed-Mem can also mean the name Shlomo, which for weird reasons is now known as Solomon and Suleyman. (Not sure why translators add that weird n)

Edited 6/19/2016 18:19:38
Mashreq Map - A mostly unrecognised Arabic region: 6/19/2016 18:18:50


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Well, you probably know better than I do if you're an arabic speaker.
Mashreq Map - A mostly unrecognised Arabic region: 6/19/2016 18:21:20


(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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I'm not, Imperator. I do know Hebrew alephbet and some phrases though. My knowledge of how Arabic works come from Wikipedia and other sources since I wonder how Semitic languages work with the fact that few vowels get written down. It should be even worse for Farsi/Persian since it is an Indo-European language that adapts an abjad which may be inherently unnatural. There are inherent grammatical reasons why Semitic languages can get away from not writing enough vowels. In other languages this can be harder.

Let's see the following English sentence and try to complete it..;) That's what English (or 'nglsh) will look like if we use abjad.

'll cts rl. 'll dgs drl.

or something worse:

Tm dd g t th lnd rgstr t chck hs dd.

't 's frbddn t ct ' ct.

What do you think "Tm" is? "Tim", "Tom", "team" or something else?

Edited 6/19/2016 18:28:47
Mashreq Map - A mostly unrecognised Arabic region: 6/19/2016 18:29:15


(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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@anonym I know. This is good for clarity.:-)
Mashreq Map - A mostly unrecognised Arabic region: 6/19/2016 18:30:14


Жұқтыру
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No, it's the worst tongue of them all.
Mashreq Map - A mostly unrecognised Arabic region: 6/19/2016 18:30:44


(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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I'm not saying that Arabic is a bad language. Just foreign loanwords are hard..Probably the language is hard for kids too when you need to learn so many alphabets that look alike(just easier than Chinese and Japanese).

Edited 6/19/2016 18:31:43
Mashreq Map - A mostly unrecognised Arabic region: 6/19/2016 18:32:17


(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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@anonym Slavic people are fine..:-) Arabs as well. Even from a pro-Jewish person like me.

How do you guys transliterate foreign words? Like "Barack Obama"? I have heard that Israelis have the same problem as you guys. There is no inherent reason why Obama is not pronounced as Ovama if they look the same..

Edited 6/19/2016 18:35:46
Mashreq Map - A mostly unrecognised Arabic region: 6/19/2016 18:32:38


Жұқтыру
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Learn Russian! It is greatest tongue! And Polish and Serbian!

(/j)

Edited 6/19/2016 18:34:50
Mashreq Map - A mostly unrecognised Arabic region: 6/19/2016 18:33:32


(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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I may learn Russian. I have heard it being spoken and it sounds cool.:-)

Edited 6/19/2016 18:40:13
Mashreq Map - A mostly unrecognised Arabic region: 6/19/2016 18:36:23


Жұқтыру
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Spanish clinks the best to me, and it's way easier than Russian.
Mashreq Map - A mostly unrecognised Arabic region: 6/19/2016 18:37:05

General Amoora
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Anonym, Arabic is not an easy language to understand for a foreign learner whatsoever. It's one of the most difficult languages to understand out there, and if you think that the grammar is easy, you're either extremely well learned or you just don't know what you're talking about.
Mashreq Map - A mostly unrecognised Arabic region: 6/19/2016 18:41:54

General Amoora
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Fantastic for you Anonym, no one is insulting your linguistic talents, all I said was that Arabic grammar is a very hard concept to grasp and understand well.
Mashreq Map - A mostly unrecognised Arabic region: 6/19/2016 18:46:24


(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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You mean for someone that have no idea about Semitic languages? Is Arabic grammar very complicated, may I ask? I know that qat means cat.

Edited 6/19/2016 18:47:19
Mashreq Map - A mostly unrecognised Arabic region: 6/19/2016 18:53:11


(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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I need to at least know how to recognize and separate Arabic letters in Arabic script. I do not even know how to do that.. I believe this is the minimal amount of Arabic a non-Arab should know so that he/she can at least recognize signs on the road if they happen to go to an Arabic-speaking place one day. Being able to type Arabic based on existing Arabic to google it also depends on this skill.

Edited 6/19/2016 18:54:19
Mashreq Map - A mostly unrecognised Arabic region: 6/19/2016 18:53:32

General Amoora
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Yes Tabby the written grammar is quite difficult, so writing and reading wouldn't come easy, but general speech just falls into place quite fast with vocabulary and the basic grammar.

And as for letters, that might be difficult for a a new learner as their are multiple different ways a letter can be shown depending on their placement in the word and depending on the writer.

Edited 6/19/2016 18:54:35
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