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EU Referendum: 6/23/2016 23:46:52


Muten Rōshi
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There is seriously no thread on this?
Possibly the issue with -potentially- the biggest impact that I may be part of in my entire lifetime!

Less than 5.5 hours to the results apparently.
Let's hear some thoughts!

Who thinks we should remain in the European Union?
Who thinks we should stay?
How do you think the EU would cope without the UK?
What do you see as the pro and contra to each side?
What is the view of people from your own countries, is there bias in the media towards one side or the other?
EU Referendum: 6/23/2016 23:47:43


ayy lmao
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-leave ofc
-the eu would kill itself in shame
-refugees are dumb, close the border
-what cons?
-everyone heres a liberal that would probably say remain

Edited 6/23/2016 23:49:14
EU Referendum: 6/23/2016 23:49:54


Paugers
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Stay.

EU will fall apart without the UK.

I see pros to leaving in that they can stop the mass flood of Muslims into the British Isles.
Cons are that they cannot reform the EU without a seat in it, and it needs reform but also needs to remain existing for economic and societal purposes.

In America, no one gives a shit about the UK.
EU Referendum: 6/23/2016 23:51:43


Richard Sharpe 
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EU Referendum: 6/23/2016 23:52:48


zażółć gęślą jaźń
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UK will stay in EU just like Scotland stays in UK.
EU Referendum: 6/23/2016 23:53:49


OxTheAutist 
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>_< Onny... back to the dungeon.
EU Referendum: 6/23/2016 23:55:29


Muten Rōshi
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Thanks Richard. I tried searching 'EU' and 'Referendum', but nada :P

I generally agree with that, Paugers
EU Referendum: 6/23/2016 23:58:58


knyte 
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Not sure what the outcome's going to be (betting markets seem to think it's very likely Remain, but polls are much less certain), but leaving will create a bunch of complications- economic decline, having to keep free movement of labor anyway to be part of the common market, the inter-Irish border suddenly becoming an EU/non-EU border (or remaining an unmonitored border, which undermines the whole border control aspect), Scotland/Wales/Ireland favoring Remain and benefiting heavily from EU membership, etc.

That said, Leave is something I'd be excited to see the results of. It could actually strengthen the European Union when the British economy tanks as a result and possible independence referendums arise.

Edited 6/23/2016 23:59:48
EU Referendum: 6/24/2016 00:04:48


Major General Smedley Butler
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The EU is too dangerous to freedom as it stands. It's trying to get it's own army, and this army would be for two things: Putting down provinces in the EU that don't want to be in it anymore, and invading Foriegn places.

If Britain leaves, it's quite possible that this whole structure falters with Eurosceptic countries in the east having their own referendums.
EU Referendum: 6/24/2016 00:08:54


Muten Rōshi
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Thanks for the reply, knyte. I wrote something in the other thread.
I am hopeful that remain wins, as I think leaving would be a mistake.
It also may have huge repercussions through the rest of europe.

if the EU dissolves then what will stop Europe from devolving back into warring states as it has been since time immemorial?
Kinda a radical point, but an interesting one :P

I agree that we benefit a great deal, but I also think the system needs a total overhaul. It's become bloated and corrupt.

They estimate ~1.9billion euros frittered away -with no benefit to the people of the member countries- per annum.

P.S. The question remains, it is possible?! Can the EU, so set in its ways by now, really change into what it was created to be? tbh I'm sceptical. Politics is never that easy

Edited 6/24/2016 00:12:14
EU Referendum: 6/24/2016 00:10:42


knyte 
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@Muten: I don't see another unstable Europe emerging from a collapsed EU, since NATO covers just about every military power in the region and their economies are this point too interdependent for war to be viable. Then again, leaving the EU has massive economic repercussions too but people don't seem to care.
EU Referendum: 6/24/2016 00:12:36


Major General Smedley Butler
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if the EU dissolves then what will stop Europe from devolving back into warring states as it has been since time immemorial?
Kinda a radical point, but an interesting one


Why would Europe go to war against each other when few if any have an incentive to? Maybe Albania-Kosova and Serbia, but the only other conflict triggers I see are already triggered (Azerbaijan-Armenia, Ukraine-Donbas/Lushank).
EU Referendum: 6/24/2016 00:12:56


Muten Rōshi
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yeah, that's a far side point tbh. I maybe shouldn't have mentioned it :P

Europe is not as strong as it may appear to many people... economically speaking ofc
The UK boasts of its economic growth, but how much of that can't just be put down to population increase?

Everyone is jumping on issues like immigration with such fervour. It's a dog-fight over here I'll tell ya.

Edited 6/24/2016 00:16:57
EU Referendum: 6/24/2016 00:46:44


Zephyrum 
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The EU sadly won't fall apart without the UK (not very quickly, anyway; maybe over time it will).

Leave it.

It's a win for everyone, except for Germany and France.
EU Referendum: 6/24/2016 00:55:22


Muten Rōshi
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How do you figure?
EU Referendum: 6/24/2016 02:45:19


[WOLF] Colonel H Cardwell
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Britain has 0 in common with Europe. We need to stop trying to create a United States of Europe and create a United Commonwealth of English-speaking countries along with Australia, Canada, India and New Zealand.
#EffTheRemainians
#VoteLeaveTakeControl
EU Referendum: 6/24/2016 02:47:08


GeneralPE
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+1 colonel reunite the empire
EU Referendum: 6/24/2016 04:05:03


Epicular
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Then again, leaving the EU has massive economic repercussions too but people don't seem to care.
EU Referendum: 6/24/2016 12:41:20


Tristan
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@Ackbar90
UK will stay in EU just like Scotland stays in UK.
I bet you're feeling pretty stupid now...
EU Referendum: 6/24/2016 12:42:44


OxTheAutist 
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^ Yep. The United Kingdom of Scotland and Ireland will still be in the EU, so the UK is still in, however Scotland will no longer be part of the United Kingdom of England and Wales, so he's right there.
EU Referendum: 6/24/2016 12:43:37


OxTheAutist 
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It's a win for everyone, except for Germany and France.

and it's not a win for the best countreh in da wooorld!!! >:( ALBA
EU Referendum: 6/24/2016 14:32:27

[WOLF]Andrew
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It's a win for no one considering the Pound plummeted and stock markets crashed.
Scotland and Northern Ireland to remain. It may not be RIP EU but it will be RIP UK if the British government actually follows through.
Remember this referendum is non-binding, and only 72% of people actually voted (according to BBC).
EU Referendum: 6/24/2016 15:05:23


DerWyyy
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Britain has 0 in common with Europe. We need to stop trying to create a United States of Europe and create a United Commonwealth of English-speaking countries along with Australia, Canada, India and New Zealand.

There pretty much is already. There all amigos.
EU Referendum: 6/24/2016 15:21:46


Fleecemaster 
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Perhaps now Scotland will manage to leave this time?
EU Referendum: 6/24/2016 15:35:51


GeneralPE
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Remember this referendum is non-binding, and only 72% of people actually voted (according to BBC).

72% is an absolutely MASSIVE turnout
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