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The Iron Curtain 3.0: 7/5/2016 23:14:07


Imperator
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https://www.warlight.net/SinglePlayer?PreviewMap=57609

So I know, another Iron curtain map. However, I feel as if this update is really needed. The Iron curtain 2.0 is currently my single most popular map on warlight, and it even recently won map of the week. This is as bit surprising, given that as far as my maps go, it is actually one of the worse ones that I've released IMO.

Obviously the biggest problem is that the map just looks really sloppy due to the crude methods I used for making it combined with an unnecessary amount of simplifying, with the clearest example of this being borders between bonuses. While I haven't completely rectified this issue as that isn't really possible without completely redoing the map, the borders are greatly improved from previous versions.

Another issue was that I didn't do nearly enough research for certain parts of the map, so these sections ended up being just completely wrong geographically or otherwise. I decided to just completely redo the following sections of the map due to this:

Switzerland
Yugoslavia
All four occupation zones in Berlin
The Netherlands
Scotland
Portugal
Albania

It's possible that there are still sections of the map affected by this, so if you see any please let me know :)

I also decided to diversify the color scheme a little bit, since the red/blue thing was a bit boring. But do let me know about this, as I'm not entirely sure if it was the right thing to do.

Lastly is the addition of an actual "Iron Curtain" to break connections between NATO and warsaw pact nations. This was suggested by nathan in his review of the iron curtain 2.0, and I thought it was a pretty cool idea, so I've implemented it. I'm honestly not sure how it's going to affect gameplay though.

If you see any names that need correcting please let me know, as I'm also trying to fix those in this update. And I will be doing a quick test game to test out the barrier idea, so let me know if you want in on that.

Edited 7/15/2016 02:55:17
The Iron Curtain 3.0: 7/6/2016 09:25:00


҈ TeeMee123 ҈
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Looks a lot nicer than the previous ones! good job
The Iron Curtain 3.0: 7/6/2016 10:15:46


Съмрьть
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yea,very nice,tho a few places still arent named correctly,ill tell you what is out of place,you chose if you wish to implement the change,its all in yugoslavia
Prelip change to Bitola or just spell it right "Prilep"
Gostivar change to Tetovo
Radovish change to Strumica
Zabljak change to Niksic
Paracin change to Krusevac
Pancevo change to Pozarevac
Barajevo change to Kragujevac
also "Bor I",just a mistake i guess,its just Bor
Ruma change to Novi Sad
Zrenjanin change to Pancevo
Becej change to Zrenjanin
Sombor change to Subotica
Cazin change to Bihac
Kozarska change to Prijedor
Zadar change to Gospic
also i would recommend to split up the territory of Split,the northern side could be named Zadar
also Rijeka could be split to east/west,the western portion could be named Pula
and just Novo mesto>Novo Mesto
all of the changes i proposed are based on which city is more significant,not racialy or religiously motivated
If you have any questions about this feel free to PM or just answer ill be tracking this post :D
The Iron Curtain 3.0: 7/6/2016 10:25:06


Stewie
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Althought it's an interesting idea, I don't like the "actual iron curtain" idea at all, it makes it impossible to have an actual "Cold War gone hot" scenario. I'd personally like to have it removed, or at least put some "checkpoints" like in Berlin so both sides won't be completely cut off.

Some countries(eg. Portugal, Albania) has too few territories compared to others with unnecessary many territories(eg. Finland, Sweden), I'd suggest to add more territories to those underpresented countries.

"Gerede" in the middle of Turkey is not part of the country bonus, also a lot territory names there are either misspelled or misplaced. I can help you on that part if you want.

Can you change Switzerland's inner bonuses according to their language map?(just combine Italian and Romansch to one bonus):
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bc/English-language_version_of_Linguistic_map_of_Switzerland.png
because, well, reasons. *Gaddafi intensifies*

No "Brussels" in Belgium either, would be good to squeeze a circular territory to the middle of Belgium.

Other than those, great work on the remake! The map certainly is more polished and pleasant to look at.
The Iron Curtain 3.0: 7/6/2016 10:30:10

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Riesland in The Netherlands is Friesland..

Amsterdam could be Noord-Holland
The Hague could/should be South Holland
The Iron Curtain 3.0: 7/6/2016 14:17:06


DerWyyy
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I'd personally like to have it removed, or at least put some "checkpoints" like in Berlin so both sides won't be completely cut off.

The last Iron Curtain Map DID have check points leading to the outside of E Germany, I don't know why he changed that. I personally liked that idea. But I guess he didn't.

No "Brussels" in Belgium either, would be good to squeeze a circular territory to the middle of Belgium.

+1. Should have a dot if not territory for every capital.

Like the new Switzerland now. Before it was just a 5 bonus. now has separate territories AND country bonus, could throw a separate slot in now.

Love your maps @Imperator. U do good. and when do u plan on making another WorldOfNations2016 map....?
The Iron Curtain 3.0: 7/6/2016 14:49:52


Imperator
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Althought it's an interesting idea, I don't like the "actual iron curtain" idea at all, it makes it impossible to have an actual "Cold War gone hot" scenario. I'd personally like to have it removed, or at least put some "checkpoints" like in Berlin so both sides won't be completely cut off.


I'll definitely try out putting checkpoints. One thing I found interesting was that there actually was a very intricate border between east and west germany similar to the one in berlin:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inner_German_border

"Gerede" in the middle of Turkey is not part of the country bonus, also a lot territory names there are either misspelled or misplaced. I can help you on that part if you want.


Yeah, I'd definitely appreciate that. Currently the territory names (With the exception of germany where someone is helping me out in PM) are just ported over from The Iron Curtain 2.0, which means there's probably a whole bunch of wrong names/typos.

Some countries(eg. Portugal, Albania) has too few territories compared to others with unnecessary many territories(eg. Finland, Sweden), I'd suggest to add more territories to those underpresented countries.


I'll redo portugal and albania, although to be honest these seem like the only places that this is applicable to. Perhaps I'll split up some of the larger russian bonuses?

Can you change Switzerland's inner bonuses according to their language map?(just combine Italian and Romansch to one bonus):
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bc/English-language_version_of_Linguistic_map_of_Switzerland.png
because, well, reasons. *Gaddafi intensifies*


It's kind of eh. I guess I could, but all the sections except for the german one would be pretty tiny and weird looking.

Riesland in The Netherlands is Friesland..

Amsterdam could be Noord-Holland
The Hague could/should be South Holland


Thanks, I'll get these fixed :)

all of the changes i proposed are based on which city is more significant,not racialy or religiously motivated
If you have any questions about this feel free to PM or just answer ill be tracking this post :D


Wow, thanks for such a long list, and also not basing it on some serb slant or anything :) I know there is still some animosity in the former yugoslav republics, and being from the area I'm sure you're much more familiar with it than I am.

The last Iron Curtain Map DID have check points leading to the outside of E Germany, I don't know why he changed that. I personally liked that idea. But I guess he didn't.


THe sctructure of territories/checkpoints in berlin is identical. He's referring to the inner german border, which is a new addition in this version.

Like the new Switzerland now. Before it was just a 5 bonus. now has separate territories AND country bonus, could throw a separate slot in now.


I'm glad you like it :) The previous switzerland was just a bit lazy to be honest, now I feel as if it's actually getting the amount of territories it deserves. And as stewie mentioned, both portugal and albania could be redone for this reason as well.

Love your maps @Imperator. U do good. and when do u plan on making another WorldOfNations2016 map....?


I could maybe see it sometime down the road, but I'm totally occupied with my giant world map right now (I took a break for a few weeks to work on this update), so it will definitely be a while at least.

Looks a lot nicer than the previous ones! good job


Thanks! Honestly that is the biggest change, making it look nicer :P

Edited 7/6/2016 17:54:52
The Iron Curtain 3.0: 7/6/2016 14:58:23


DerWyyy
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double check Western Austria, you have a territory in Austria named Tyrol but is not part of the actual Tyrol bonus which it is today. Sound confusing but just double check and rename the small dot to something else( maybe Lienz).

Plus have u thought about putting passageways between E-W Germany and Bulgaria-Turkey. I dont know about BUL-TUK but the German borders u could go through.
The Iron Curtain 3.0: 7/6/2016 16:33:18


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A couple of name changes you could make in Bulgaria to emphasize the more major cities:

- Switch the places of Sofia and Pirdop.
- Pirdop then should be renamed Pernik.
- Carna should be Varna
- Mazadra should be Montana
- Dolni should be Pleven
- Dulovo should be Silistra
- Razgrad can be renamed to Ruse
- Shudem is mispelled and should be Shumen
- Karmanli should be Slivengrad
- Podkova should be Kurdjali
- Podkova I should be Smolyan
- Sadanski is mispelled and should be Sandanski

Edited 7/6/2016 16:33:36
The Iron Curtain 3.0: 7/6/2016 17:22:05


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As someone playing a game on IC 2.0 map as Switzerland, I've got to say... much appreciated. :P
The Iron Curtain 3.0: 7/6/2016 19:07:18


OxTheAutist 
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idk if this has been brought up, but missing connection here =)

The Iron Curtain 3.0: 7/6/2016 19:16:19


OxTheAutist 
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also pls gib scotland moar territories or i will be bullied relentlessly
The Iron Curtain 3.0: 7/6/2016 19:20:34


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double check Western Austria, you have a territory in Austria named Tyrol but is not part of the actual Tyrol bonus which it is today. Sound confusing but just double check and rename the small dot to something else( maybe Lienz).


That's weird, I'll have to check it out.

Plus have u thought about putting passageways between E-W Germany and Bulgaria-Turkey. I dont know about BUL-TUK but the German borders u could go through.


Yeah, I'm definitely going to try this when I get a chance tonight.

A couple of name changes you could make in Bulgaria to emphasize the more major cities:


Wow, thanks :)

also pls gib scotland moar territories or i will be bullied relentlessly


Okay how about this, I'll put a little note next to scotland that says "pls dont bully ox".

:P

I can definitely redo scotland while I'm redoing portugal and albania.

As someone playing a game on IC 2.0 map as Switzerland, I've got to say... much appreciated. :P


Lol, you're welcome I guess :)

Edited 7/6/2016 19:21:44
The Iron Curtain 3.0: 7/6/2016 19:27:41


DerWyyy
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also territory in Far southern Sweden, named Skane, there is also a bonus named Skane. I would change that, make the territory Malmö. Keep bonus as Skane(Skåne in Swedish) xD
The Iron Curtain 3.0: 7/6/2016 19:33:04


Жұқтыру
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The names in Belarus are very bad...what the crap is a "Byelorussian"? Or a Minskaja? It was the Belarusian Soviet Socialist Republic, as for the inner boni (makes it into an adjector), or if you want to keep it, at least do -aya (that's how it actually is), although just do the borough names they're based upon better yet. Some other mistakes:

hrodna -> Hrodna
kaunas -> Kaunas
Cisinau -> Chișinău
Talinn -> Tallinn
Saare-Makond -> Moonsund Archipelago (also, if you're going to add those islands, why not add the biggest island in the Baltic Sea, Gotland?)
Skane -> Skåne
Vastra Gotaland -> Västra Götaland
Orebro -> Örebro
Gavleborg -> Gävleborg
Jamtland -> Jämtland
Vasterbotten -> Västerbotten
Nizhny Novgorod (bonus and land) -> Gorki

Also, in the Stockholm-Uppsala site - I think you should add ties all over that bay, since they do in real life (bridges and such) far more than they do to say, Uppsalla to Moonsund. Also this map looks really lakeless. It looks weird without Ladoga and the Swedish Waters, and all the holes in Karelia. And it's also kind of islandless. Where are the Hebrides? Faeroe islands? Aland islands? Dalmatian islands? They don't need to become their own lands neededly, but it looks weird without them.

Edited 7/6/2016 19:38:40
The Iron Curtain 3.0: 7/6/2016 19:49:01


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The names in Belarus are very bad...what the crap is a "Byelorussian"? Or a Minskaja?,


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byelorussian_Soviet_Socialist_Republic

"Minskaja" Is just "Minsk" in Belarusian (although I'm not really sure why I used belarusian instead of english...):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_Region

It was the Belarusian Soviet Socialist Republic


What's a "Belarusian Soviet Socialist Republic"?

as for the inner boni (makes it into an adjector), or if you want to keep it, at least do -aya (that's how it actually is)


I believe that -aya is russian, whereas -aja is belarusian. Since both were official languages in the Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic I don't see any reason to prefer one over the other, except for the possible one that the place is actually called "Belarus" and not "Russia".

although just do the borough names they're based upon better yet. Some other mistakes:


Cool, I'll get these fixed up. There's probably a whole bunch of ones where I forgot to capitalize the first letter, so thanks for letting me know about those :)

Also, in the Stockholm-Uppsala site - I think you should add ties all over that bay, since they do in real life (bridges and such) far more than they do to say, Uppsalla to Moonsund.


Yeah I can add two or three connections maybe, but I'm not sure if you can consider that "all over that bay"... :P

Also this map looks really lakeless. It looks weird without Ladoga and the Swedish Waters, and all the holes in Karelia. And it's also kind of islandless. Where are the Hebrides? Faeroe islands? Aland islands? Dalmatian islands? They don't need to become their own lands neededly, but it looks weird without them.


I'm pretty sure I deleted all of the lakes/islands on 1.0 since I was a noob and couldn't deal with big files. I can totally add some lakes and islands back in now though.
The Iron Curtain 3.0: 7/7/2016 00:50:57


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so here's my name fixes for Turkey;

Territory(West to East)

Sarkoy -> Gelibolu
Edime -> Edirne
Koceali -> European(Western) Istanbul
Istanbul -> Bosphorus(Strait)
Yalova -> Asian(Eastern) Istanbul
Adapazan -> Kocaeli
Bilicek -> Sakarya
Bursa I -> Yalova
Biserlek -> İznik
Susurluk -> Bursa
Bandrima -> Bandırma
Bursa -> Biga
Akhister -> Akhisar
Milas -> Marmaris
Demiroi -> Demirci
Fethya -> Fethiye
Serik -> Cumra
Eregli I -> Ereğli
Ortakay -> Ortaköy
Ihlara -> Nevşehir
Ortakoy -> Sarıkaya
Ankara -> Kırıkkale
Emirdag -> Ankara
Qubuk -> Kızılcahamam
Seriflokochisar -> Haymana
Karman -> Şereflikoçhisar
kulu -> Kulu
Polati -> Alpu
Bolvadin I -> Eskişehir
Emirdag I -> İnönü

Bonuses

Kuthya -> Kütahya
Esikehir -> Eskişehir

Also I suggest you split up "West Marmara" and "Mediterrean" bonuses;
"West Marmara" -> Trakya(the 3 territories north of Marmara Sea) and Balıkesir(the 4 territories south of it)
"Mediterrean" -> Antalya(the first 4 western territories) and Mersin(the last 4 eastern territories)

Also on Cyprus, renaming the northern territory to "Famagusta" and the southern territory to "Nicosia" is more proper - or you can just name them Northern & Southern Cyprus.

Come to think of it, I actually think Cyprus needs more love; the island was target of a Turkish intervention in the Cold War, so it's an important area for this era.

Edited 7/7/2016 11:03:46
The Iron Curtain 3.0: 7/7/2016 03:15:02


DerWyyy
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Come to think of it, I actually think Cyprus needs more love; the island was target of a Turkish intervention in the Cold War, so it's an important area for this era.


its Cyprus, I have never seen a Cyprus map with more than 2 territories, unless u do maybe(west-to-east) Western Cyprus(or Paphos), Limassol, Nicosia, Eastern Cyprus(or Dipkarpaz)
The Iron Curtain 3.0: 7/7/2016 10:02:38


Stewie
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that'd be enough really, it's not like the island is big itself. At least an extra 2 territories won't kill.

if it's too small in the map, I wouldn't mind artifically enlargening it slightly either, but some may not like it of course.

districts map: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9f/Cyprus_districts.svg/2000px-Cyprus_districts.svg.png
The Iron Curtain 3.0: 7/7/2016 10:55:05


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Some name fix in Switzerland

Locarno --> Bellinzona (capital) or Lugano (Largest city)
Zermatt --> Sion (Capital)
Lauterbrunnen --> Thun
Zurich --> Zürich
Lucerne --> Luzern

Some name fix in Italy

Aosto --> Aosta
Varese --> Novara
Imperia --> Alessandria
Genoa --> isn't part of Piedmont, maybe you could split it in two territories ( like Genoa and Savona) with their own bonus Liguria
Trento --> Sondrio
Sendrio --> Como or Varese
Olzano --> Merano
Trentino --> Trento
Ferrari --> Bolzano
Beltuno --> Treviso
Parma --> Piacenza
San Marino --> Forlì-Cesena or Rimini
Forlì Casena --> Bologna
Bologna --> Parma
Florence -->Reggio Emilia
Maybe in Tuscany you could do Lucca and Arezzo smaller and add Florence
Temi --> Terni
Carbone --> Lauria
Leece --> Lecce
Sardegna --> Oristano or Nuoro

Edited 7/7/2016 12:04:41
The Iron Curtain 3.0: 7/7/2016 15:43:49


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There are also some Typos in

West Germany
Gotingen -> Göttingen
SwabischHall -> Schwäbisch Hall
munchen -> München
Colburg -> Coburg
Furth -> Fürth
Nurnberg -> Nürnberg

Austria
Klaenfurt -> Klagenfurt
Landneck -> Landeck
Swetti -> Zwettl
Grasz -> Graz

Trentino(@Stirax Bozen/Bolzano seems to be more in the western half)
Olzano -> Bolzano
Ferrari -> Brixen

West Hungary
Gyon -> Győr

Northern Poland
SLupsk -> Słupsk
Thrun -> Toruń
West Poland(Zielona Gora)
Gorzow Wielkopolski -> Gorzów Wielkopolski
Gora -> Zielona Góra
Kostrzyn -> Świebodzin
Zielona -> Żary

Skane
Hailland -> Halland
Central Norway
TRondheim -> Trondheim
The Iron Curtain 3.0: 7/13/2016 01:22:10


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Can you explain what the color scheme is? I understand Red is the USSR, and pink is Warsaw pact, and Orange is neutral, but blue green and grey all seem to be NATO and I can't figure out the difference.
The Iron Curtain 3.0: 7/13/2016 04:13:54


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Yeah, blue, green and grey are all NATO. The reason that NATO countries have distinct colors from one another is to emphasize the fact that western nations were pretty much independent nations with their own governments, even if there was some amount of influence from the US, whereas eastern nations are uniform in color to reflect the fact that they were all pretty much controlled by the USSR.

The colors aren't meant to imply that for example germany, italy, and the UK are grouped together somehow. As I said they're just there to emphasize that these are distinct nations by not having two neighboring countries share the same color borders.
The Iron Curtain 3.0: 7/13/2016 17:07:25


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A lot of typos in Romania too + the fact you named a lot of territories after small villages which is weird IMO + some wrong places for cetain territory names.

Typos:
Dobrita-Turnu Severin--->Dobreta-Turnu Severin
Zimincea--->Zimnicea
Crajova--->Craiova

Changes to names for accuracy:
Darabani--->Botosani
Botosani--->Iasi
Turgu Frumos (a typo too)--->Vaslui
Iasi--->Galati
Golgovg--->Sulina
Cernevoda (another typo)--->Constanta
Constanta--->Mangalia
Saveja--->Focsani
Focsani--->Buzau
Mirsesti (typo)--->Bacau
Pascani--->Onesti
Onest (typo)--->Targu Secuiesc
Harghita I--->Brasov
Bacau--->Miercurea Ciuc
Roman--->Gheorgheni
Ciribaba--->Vatra Dornei
Medias--->Sibiu
Maramures--->Satu Mare (not wrong but i see you mainly name territories after cities, not counties/historical regions)
Salaj--->Baia Mare
Satu Mares(typo)--->Zalau
Salonta--->Arad
Arad--->Jimbolia
Cluj-Napoca--->Dej
Birtin--->Cluj-Napoca
Lugoj--->Timisoara
Dabra--->Caransebes
Resita--->Moldova Noua
Ineu--->Hunedoara
Deva--->Petrosani
Cisnadu--->Dragasani
Brasov--->Tirgoviste
along many others (almost whole Wallchia is named wrong too)
I will make an update soon to this but please consider making these changes

Update:
It would be nice to split Bucharest in 2 and to name the one up Ploiesti
Onest I->Titu
Harghita-->Pitesti
Sibiu->Rimnicu Valcea

Suggested bonus names changes:
Arad->Banat

Edited 7/15/2016 00:05:53
The Iron Curtain 3.0: 7/13/2016 17:21:03


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along many others (almost whole Wallchia is named wrong too)
I will make an update soon to this but please consider making these changes


Thanks, I'll definitely get these fixed up before publishing. If you feel like letting me know about the ones in wallachia It'll make it a bit easier for me, but if not I can just go research it myself :)
The Iron Curtain 3.0: 7/14/2016 01:33:36


odm
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Np , I was a bit surprised too see some mistakes like Iasi 200km more in south ( same for Onest I or something like that)
The Iron Curtain 3.0: 7/17/2016 04:35:41


Imperator
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Alright, I think I got everything, although be sure to let me know if I missed something important. I'm planning to make the map pending public tomorrow.
The Iron Curtain 3.0: 7/17/2016 13:53:18


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I think it would be better to connect Turkey to Famagusta(Cyprus) rather than directly to Nicosia, and some Greek islands on Aegean would be nice either but those aren't really necessary.

Good work, otherwise :)

EDIT: Missing connection Iskilip-Vezirkopru on Turkish Black Sea Coast.

Edited 7/17/2016 13:55:02
The Iron Curtain 3.0: 7/17/2016 14:55:36


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Cool, I fixed those few things. I think I'll hold off on adding the islands for now, as even with all the crazy optimization I'm doing (Which makes it a big pain in the butt to change the SVG), I'm just barely scratching in under the limit at 1.9mb of 2mbs that are allowed.
The Iron Curtain 3.0: 7/17/2016 17:14:03


DerWyyy
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If this isnt published yet-

do the Skane thing(Southern Sweden) You have a bonus and territory named Skane. Change the terriotry to Malmo.

Plus in Wales- You have a territory named Liverpool. Liverpool is in England, please explain.
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